breum Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Hey, first time I've posted in this forum, really prefer to try to work it out myself, but as I'm playing a network game now and don't want to get fired in that, I'm hoping the minds in this forum can help me out. I've recreated a tactic that worked quite well for me in FM15, but like apparently many other tactics, I'm not finding the same success in FM16. The main issue I'm having is a lack of real consistent goal scoring threats. We get into our usual position, but while last year, I could rely on my shadow striker to break apart the defense with some dribbling if the passing wasn't finding seams, this year that doesn't seem to be happening. Now, it may be that it is down to my players, in which case, that's how it goes, but I'd like any other opinions I can gather on this. Here is my tactic. I haven't put in any PIs. Ignore the team, I am just starting another save. I'm playing as Real Sociedad in the online game, with Vela as my SS and either Jonathas or Imanol Agirretxe as my striker. I'll check back on this post in an hour or so, if anyone wants more info. Gotta run to the airport for now. Thanks for any and all suggestions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Valhalla.. Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 My initial thoughts (bare in mind I'm no guru so I'm just gonna say what I see): Isn't the job of the BWM's to win the ball back and then lay it off right away to a more creative player? Given you have 2 of them in central midfield, and 2 limited full backs, your only creative players are directly through the middle, in a straight line... so "work ball into box" can only be a couple of passes before you're at the box with no real creative support around the player in possession. I also see no need for the "exploit the middle" instruction when your formation and choice of roles means you can only exploit the middle. Very very in the middle. Ball playing defender, regista, box to box midfielder, shadow striker, defensive forward; right up the middle of the park. It's very one-dimensional looking. Perhaps change a BWM to a roaming playmaker - support? Add a bit of variety and unpredictability to your playing style. Just my initial thoughts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowieinspace Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Yup agree with Valhalla - too much predictability and a lack of options. With the full backs being your only widemen, they really need to be able to overlap the midfield to provide width. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababooey Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 1. You have 1 player who is going to actively attack space going into the box. The SS-A. Other than that, you have zero attacking threat. The DF-D might score a couple goals, but.. 2. In any system where you have just 2 wide players playing in the "full back" spot, you desperately need to make sure they're providing enough width and enough attack threat. If you don't do this, the other team can easily concentrate on stopping you through the middle, thus negating any threat you may pose. I would recommend at least a WB-S in both spots. You need the wide defenders to provide width and get in some crosses. 3. You don't have a holding player. In a system that has a few aggressive roles already (BWMx2, SS) you really need to make sure you have a no-nonsense holding midfielder to screen the defense. The RGA is not a holder by any means, and neither is the BBM or the two BWM's. 4. I'm guessing you want to play a really aggressive style. I don't know anything about League 2 so.. is your team really suited to play that way? Genuinely curious here because I have no idea. Your style of play should (ideally) line up with the ability of your players. So for example if you don't have a lot of athletic and aggressive CM's, a style like yours (lots of central compactness, aggressive closing down, etc.) isn't suited to the players. OR if you had slow wingers, attacking mainly down the flanks would be silly, etc etc. 5. You have a lot of TI's. After you fix up your roles/duties, take off all the TI's. Start blank. Add them as you feel they are needed. Understand what they do. Don't just tick something that sounds good. Remember, "control" already plays a moderately high line, closes down a fair bit, and tackles fairly aggressively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Valhalla.. Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I don't know anything about League 2 so.. is your team really suited to play that way? Genuinely curious here because I have no idea. Says in the OP to ignore the team. Looks like he's just chosen that team to quickly cobble together the tactic to take screenshots of for posting here. He's actually managing Real Sociedad in an online game and using this tactic. Although why you wouldn't just take screenshots of that team with this tactic, I don't know. Unless screenshots aren't allowed in an online game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
breum Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 I am not the host of the game, and so I don't have the file on my computer. And as for the fullbacks getting forward, wouldn't that leave me wide open to counter attacks down the flanks with my very high line? EDIT: I am going to play around with removing all the TIs and starting from scratch over the course of the week. Also, I was really kind of hoping to avoid having to resort to crossing if possible, trying to unlock defenses with just passes or dribbling, but if that is unrealistic, of course I will adapt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowieinspace Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I am not the host of the game, and so I don't have the file on my computer. And as for the fullbacks getting forward, wouldn't that leave me wide open to counter attacks down the flanks with my very high line?EDIT: I am going to play around with removing all the TIs and starting from scratch over the course of the week. Also, I was really kind of hoping to avoid having to resort to crossing if possible, trying to unlock defenses with just passes or dribbling, but if that is unrealistic, of course I will adapt. It's not that it's unrealistic, it's just that at the moment no one will be pushing wide so the opposition will never get stretched. They can just play in a tight defensive block and then your lack of creativity/movement through the middle will put too much pressure on individuals to do something amazing to score goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
breum Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 Okay fair enough. Thanks for all the help. One of the switches I'm considering is to change the Regista to a Halfback and the fullbacks to WB-A's. That should give me enough defensive coverage to make up for the wingbacks typically not being in place to cover counters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowieinspace Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Okay fair enough. Thanks for all the help. One of the switches I'm considering is to change the Regista to a Halfback and the fullbacks to WB-A's. That should give me enough defensive coverage to make up for the wingbacks typically not being in place to cover counters. Yeah that'd be a nice addition. If you wanted a little more defensive stability you could have one or both of those two wingbacks on a support role too. They would then be more likely to look for a pass inside rather than putting in a multitude of crosses, but would sit a bit further up the pitch when attacking. If you change the Regista to a half back, it could be worth adding an AP (A) further up the pitch so there is someone there trying to unlock defenses from a more advanced position, then you could potentially make the two other central midfielders B2B midfielders so you have those guys making runs on the left and right which will help you link play between the full backs, AP, and two more attacking players. Personally I don't think you really need two BWM's - you can set that up that style through PI's and TI's potentially while giving yourself more options going forwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansaplast Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I don't know San Sebastian in FM16 but I suppose that their ability is middle of the road in La Liga. I hope that you've checked the strength and weaknesses of your squad before deciding on a formation. The chosen formation relies heavily on very strong fullbacks/wingbacks and if they aren't you'll be ripped apart. Our fellow user rashidi has a great blog "http://www.addictedtofm.com" where he very successfully used a 4-3-1-2. My last piece of advice. Don't set specialised roles like halfback or shadow striker before you know how your opponent is playing. Playing with a 3 man defence - as a halfback role would almost mean - against a 4-3-3-DM is rather nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidPengilley Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 EDIT: I am going to play around with removing all the TIs and starting from scratch over the course of the week. Also, I was really kind of hoping to avoid having to resort to crossing if possible, trying to unlock defenses with just passes or dribbling, but if that is unrealistic, of course I will adapt. Okay fair enough. Thanks for all the help. One of the switches I'm considering is to change the Regista to a Halfback and the fullbacks to WB-A's. If you want to avoid playing crosses, the WB-A wouldn't be your choice. They have "Cross More Often" as an automatic instruction. This applies to the Complete Wing Back as well. I, also, want to avoid playing crosses and have no wing support so went with the WB-S and specified "Cross Less Often" which is effective. They still cross, when it is an obvious time to do so, but can get isolated if there's nobody around to support them. Looking over your tactic, it seems you can't score with any regularity as you've not got players set up to do so. I imagine the RGA is often playing long-ish balls to the DF or SS. With your LD backline, they'll also be hitting the ball long and bypassing your RGA. You may have set yourself up to be a possession based team, control and work the ball into the box, but you haven't set the player roles up to reflect this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
breum Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 okay, thats useful into to have. Looks like I'll go with the WB-S then. To be honest the Regista typically doesn't tend to hit longer passes, most of his options are shorter. Occasionally he will play out long balls but mostly he functions as a recycle point for possession, almost like a roaming playmaker cycling from side to side to provide another option if there are no forward or sideways passes available. When I get home from work today, I'm going to make a few changes. New roles I'm considering are both FBs switched to WB-S. Central defender switched from LD to CD-Def. Remove exploit the middle. Still not sure what to do with the midfield trio and SS. I like the BWM's on either side, as they do a good job of closing down the flanks and winning the ball back quickly, but like others have pointed out, don't offer a lot going forward. One alternative I have considered was to switch to having 2 more offensive midfielders on the sides of the trio with just one BWM in the middle there. I have already converted this team via transfers to this shape, so I'd like to keep it if possible, but I'm willing to adjust the roles accordingly to make things work. The initial idea, when I first started this tactic, was to create a midfield wall ahead of a Pirlo like player who would pick out through balls from deep. I think without wingers though, that is a lot more difficult. So I'd be willing to adjust the Regista to something else, but I'm not 100% familiar with the halfback role and what it would mean offensively so I'm a little hesitant to select that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
breum Posted December 14, 2015 Author Share Posted December 14, 2015 Just wanted to say thanks for all the help guys, I made 7 role changes to my team and removed the exploit the middle TI and things are going way better now. Went from almost being fired to missing out on a European spot on the very last game of the season. Now using Left to Right SK-S WB-S; CD-D; BPD-D; WB-S DM-D BBM-S; DLP-S; BBM-S SS-A Def F-S Getting a lot more possession now that the wingbacks are moving up, but they aren't excessively crossing like I feared or being caught out on defense either. It is a nice balance. The B2B guys are doing more defensively than I thought they would, getting out wide to close down as well so I don't need the BWM's out there like I thought I did. Also, the DLP-S in the midfield instead of the Regista in the DM slot is controlling play and spraying passes around far more than the Regista ever did. I think moving him up is allowing him to link up a lot better. Expecting to challenge for top 4 in Spain next year with a full season of this tactic rather than wasting the first three months of the season like I did last year. Thanks again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidPengilley Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 That's great news and congrats on building it into a style you wanted as well. Good luck with the season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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