1st world problems

[Baldyloxxx]

I am managing Arsenal in my 4th season. Beginning of this season I sold my top scorer lukaku, in favour of signing Neymar and I also signed James Rodriguez from real. I am in January now and am really struggling to get it all to click.

In my last 16 games I have scored more than 2 goals twice, and every game I have had well over 20 shots, loads of CCC's but hardly any goals. I'm winning and doing well but the football is aweful and Neymar and Rodriguez are making no impact at all. I've tried various different tactics and changes but to no avail.

It's starting to really irritate me that I can't pull out of this and get back to my sexy football.

Any pointers? Especially on how to deploy Neymar.

[RTHerringbone]

How can people help if you haven't provided any detail?

http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/327822-Asking-For-Help-PLEASE-READ-THIS

[Baldyloxxx]

Ah ok.

I play a 4-2-3-1 wide when playing at home and a 4-1-2-2-1 (4-3-3 in game) when playing away.

I play fluid, control, fairly wide, medium tempo, sometimes close down, get stuck in, normal line, short passing.

This used to work an abseloute dream, I'm in my first save ever and have won 3 leagues and champs cup twice and other cups.

Now, no one scores regularly. And the very moment I click attack rather than control if I'm not doing anything in a game it consignes me to an instant goal in my net.

I'm getting fed up as I can't seem to get out of the rut no matter what I'm trying.

[RTHerringbone]

Roles? Duties?

[Baldyloxxx]

4-2-3-1

FB support

CB defend

BWM

DLP

IF x 2 on attack

AP attack

Adv forward.

4-3-3

Same defence

HB defend

DLP sup

CM Att

IF x 2

Adv

[RTHerringbone]

Are the IFs in the 4-3-3 on Attack too?

[Baldyloxxx]

The really, really, really frustrating thing is watching the players get 1 on 1, get in on a cross 5 yards from goal, hit a spectacular long shot, game in game out and miss every time. Every single poxy time.

Watching Neymar sprint off with the ball, no pressure and 1 on 1 and miss is so frustrating.

[Baldyloxxx]

Yeah they are attack. When you look at the matches, you can't see a problem other than we can't shoot.

[RTHerringbone]

Your four furthermost players in both systems are on Attack. It's just disjointed and inefficient. You use an aggressive Mentality and multiple Attack Duties so play very fast football with a front end which is separated from the back. You need to really rein things in a bit. If you upload a .pkm or two, people will immediately be able to see the disconnect.

[Baldyloxxx]

Playing wolves now, Neymar missed 1 on 1, ran straight into keeper with ball and James Rodriguez missed a penalty. 3rd miss this season.

[Baldyloxxx]

Your four furthermost players in both systems are on Attack. It's just disjointed and inefficient. You use an aggressive Mentality and multiple Attack Duties so play very fast football with a front end which is separated from the back. You need to really rein things in a bit. If you upload a .pkm or two, people will immediately be able to see the disconnect.

But why has it worked for 3 seasons, and now not? Was it the fact I had lukaku maybe, was it the fact he slowed the play down up front? Allowed the game to catch up?

[RTHerringbone]

But why has it worked for 3 seasons, and now not? Was it the fact I had lukaku maybe, was it the fact he slowed the play down up front? Allowed the game to catch up?

Possibly. Arsenal will have had a high reputation from Season One so theoretically teams will always have been cautious against you. It may just be that the relative lack of subtlety in your system simply overwhelmed the opposition for a few seasons and they're really now retreating into their shells. What percentage of shots do you get on target?

What you basically need is a less aggressive style. Play the ball around a bit and lure people out. At the moment you're trying to steamroll very deep and narrow defences but you instead need to try and move them around a bit.

[Baldyloxxx]

I tried retaining possession for a bit, but didn't change the player roles. I will try dropping my attackers back and see what happens.

[Baldyloxxx]

Won my last 3 games 2-0. Still can't score more than 2, but I look a lot more balanced and a lot less misses!

Cheers for the pointers, I can usually work through these things myself but I was struggling with this one.

In all honesty, I think selling lukaku ballsed up my whole game plan.

[m.u.f.c 1878]

Won my last 3 games 2-0. Still can't score more than 2, but I look a lot more balanced and a lot less misses!

Cheers for the pointers, I can usually work through these things myself but I was struggling with this one.

In all honesty, I think selling lukaku ballsed up my whole game plan.

In 3 games 6 goals and 0 conceded.That not enough?.

I would read a few threads on tactic building maybe.In a 4231, your 2 cm bwm and dlp maybe not the best choice really.

[Baldyloxxx]

In 3 games 6 goals and 0 conceded.That not enough?.

I would read a few threads on tactic building maybe.In a 4231, your 2 cm bwm and dlp maybe not the best choice really.

I've said this on many occasions on this game, that it's not so much that I win or at times lose, but the manner in which it happens.

I'm too of the league, and lost 1 game in 20 odd bit my main problem wasn't the fact I'm not winning, or can't win etc but the fact my top players were performing crap and the fact I had to watch some truly awful football. Terrible misses and woodwork! I needed to know how to fix that, and this has..... A bit. It's still not ideal but I can work with it.

[m.u.f.c 1878]

I've said this on many occasions on this game, that it's not so much that I win or at times lose, but the manner in which it happens.

I'm too of the league, and lost 1 game in 20 odd bit my main problem wasn't the fact I'm not winning, or can't win etc but the fact my top players were performing crap and the fact I had to watch some truly awful football. Terrible misses and woodwork! I needed to know how to fix that, and this has..... A bit. It's still not ideal but I can work with it.

Have a read of this mate, think it's some of cleons doings.Shows you why a dlp and bwm doesn't really work.

[Baldyloxxx]

Have a read of this mate, think it's some of cleons doings.Shows you why a dlp and bwm doesn't really work.

Read of what? ?

[m.u.f.c 1878]

Read of what? ?

http://sisportscentre.com/the-4-2-3-1-midfield-analysis/

[Baldyloxxx]

http://sisportscentre.com/the-4-2-3-1-midfield-analysis/

That's pretty interesting, but my issue hasn't been that I'm losing or conceding crap goals. My issue is I'm playing fantastic attacking football, but my forwards are missing easy goals, the opposition keepers are making super human saves, I'm hitting the woodwork twice a game, I've missed 3 of the last 4 penalties I've taken (Neymar and James Rodriguez taking) and basically producing everything but the final product.

In my eyes, if you are missing 3-6 CCC's you have made in a game, there can't be a problem with your tactics because you have made 3-6 CCC's!

[Baldyloxxx]

Last 7 games now, 5 won 2-0, 1 won 1-0 and 1 1-1 draw.

167 shots, 13 CCC's

3 missed pens out of 3.

4 woodwork (which has been a lot less than before).

[Overmars]

You are playing FM. You have to expect a lot of close-range and clear-cut misses. Whether or not that mirrors real life football is another question, but for now, just accept what the game gives you and manage in that reality. You will never produce a tactic where the majority of your scoring chances turn into goals. That's not how this game works...and perhaps not how real life football works.

[Baldyloxxx]

You are playing FM. You have to expect a lot of close-range and clear-cut misses. Whether or not that mirrors real life football is another question, but for now, just accept what the game gives you and manage in that reality. You will never produce a tactic where the majority of your scoring chances turn into goals. That's not how this game works...and perhaps not how real life football works.

yep, this games match engine is atrocious when it comes to that point it decides it will break your tactics.

ive been trying everything now, and i keep having 100's of shots. and im not moaning about my results, its just really crap to watch. james rodriguez just does nothing, neymar has no spark, sanchez has stopped scoring and i seem to get stuck in score warps! first of all i can only score 2 goals max (for 20 odd games!), now i keep winning 3-0.

just tried something different at home to city, lost 2-1, had 30 shots and they had 4. watching your team smash the other team and lose, does not portray a 'game plan' by the opposition and it doesnt show you where your tactics are going wrong in real terms. Only someone who can decode what it all means can tell you whtis wrong.

[Cleon]

yep, this games match engine is atrocious when it comes to that point it decides it will break your tactics.

That's not how the game works. Until you change that mindset you'll always suffer because you have an idea of how FM works that is totally inaccurate and incorrect.

ive been trying everything now, and i keep having 100's of shots. and im not moaning about my results, its just really crap to watch. james rodriguez just does nothing, neymar has no spark, sanchez has stopped scoring and i seem to get stuck in score warps! first of all i can only score 2 goals max (for 20 odd games!), now i keep winning 3-0.

You keep posting stuff like this yet I've not actually seen you post anything that someone can help you with. Where are the screenshots, match analysis, PKM's of games etc. That's what's needed in order to help you.

watching your team smash the other team and lose,

I see this a lot on these forums but 99% of the time, that persons idea of smashing, dominance etc isn't true as they look at the stats and judge them wrongly. You seem to pin everything on CCC's but that stat is misleading and in FM it doesn't mean the chance was actually easy. Ignore CCC's all together and focus on quality of shots not quantity, which is something else you seem fixated with. As a rule the more shots you produce the poorer the quality of them.

. Only someone who can decode what it all means can tell you whtis wrong.

Anyone with eyes can see why it's happening. Everyone can see why strikers are shooting, everyone can see what type of shots they are, everyone can see the angles of the shots the player is taking, everyone can see the positional play of the strikers, everyone can see what the support players are doing, everyone can see everything.

What's important is what you are actually seeing and what you're doing to identify and fix the issues. So far all I see from you is moaning with no real material for anyone to form any kind of basis to help you with. So instead of posting lots of small meaningless replies, how about trying to help yourself and post actual meaningful screenshots, analysis etc. Unless you provide more information I'll close the thread because currently it's pointless as only you have access to your game and the information needed to help you.

So instead of the short two or three sentence replies you've done throughout the thread, how about putting effort into being as descriptive as possible so we can help you fix your issues and then send you on your way

[m.u.f.c 1878]

All the answers are just about out there if you read the various threads the mods have made the effort to write up.Why don't you have a good read at cleons possession thread.

[Baldyloxxx]

That's not how the game works. Until you change that mindset you'll always suffer because you have an idea of how FM works that is totally inaccurate and incorrect.

You keep posting stuff like this yet I've not actually seen you post anything that someone can help you with. Where are the screenshots, match analysis, PKM's of games etc. That's what's needed in order to help you.

I see this a lot on these forums but 99% of the time, that persons idea of smashing, dominance etc isn't true as they look at the stats and judge them wrongly. You seem to pin everything on CCC's but that stat is misleading and in FM it doesn't mean the chance was actually easy. Ignore CCC's all together and focus on quality of shots not quantity, which is something else you seem fixated with. As a rule the more shots you produce the poorer the quality of them.

Anyone with eyes can see why it's happening. Everyone can see why strikers are shooting, everyone can see what type of shots they are, everyone can see the angles of the shots the player is taking, everyone can see the positional play of the strikers, everyone can see what the support players are doing, everyone can see everything.

What's important is what you are actually seeing and what you're doing to identify and fix the issues. So far all I see from you is moaning with no real material for anyone to form any kind of basis to help you with. So instead of posting lots of small meaningless replies, how about trying to help yourself and post actual meaningful screenshots, analysis etc. Unless you provide more information I'll close the thread because currently it's pointless as only you have access to your game and the information needed to help you.

So instead of the short two or three sentence replies you've done throughout the thread, how about putting effort into being as descriptive as possible so we can help you fix your issues and then send you on your way

Actually what i se with my eyes, are penalties being missed, now 5 in my last 6, one on ones being missed, crosses into boxes being met with a player belting it at the keeper and so on so forth.

if you were a manager and you were dominating possession, shots and creating quality chances, but you were hitting the post, the opposition keeper was fantastic or your top quality players were missing 1 on 1's, what would you change? There is no way EVERY team can park the bus and prevent me thrashing them or beat me 1-0 with me having 30 shots, but if i left my more attacking tactics on this game they would do just that. Im now with real madrid and its the same, ronaldo just missed a pen, im playing very possessive football and winning but doing it frustratingly.

i will plug on and fiddle till i work it out though as i always have, im no noob. it just frustrates me that people still defend the system and insist the game shown reflects what your tactics are saying, or a real match. its nothing like RL and until more people moan, SI wont have to change it. still maybe next year we can have waifus! that will keep the kids happy.

i dont want to win all the time, or thrash people all the time, but id like it if im going to nick a 2-1 win, for me to nick it in a fair game, not because ive missed a penalty, hit the bar 3 times and had 30 shots.

close the thread, ill go back to working it out, too bloody complicated just to load a screen shot anyway.dont know why you make that so hard.

[Cleon]

So you're just going to be another one of those who has the people willing to help but won't provide the information to be helped, yet will still go about moaning?

No-ones defended the system, what people have asked is for you to provide actual examples taken from the game so you can be assisted, yet you don't seem willing to do that. Uploading screenshots is easy and not complicated at all,

You use the link the image hosting site gives you (you can't upload to SI it needs to be an image hosting site like imageshack.us or http://imgur.com/ )and then you add it here using the 'image' option on the options when you post. So you click the 'image' icon, choose from URL and add the link you got from the image hosting site into the empty box. Also untick the box that says 'Retrieve remote file and reference locally.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt one more time before closing it though. So balls in your court now, you can either upload the screens and be descriptive or you can carry on struggling. If you choose the latter it's pretty obvious you never really wanted the help.

[Baldyloxxx]

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[RTHerringbone]

Who is intended to score goals? 14 out of 36 shots on target is poor. Who is taking (and missing) all the shots? You seem to focus a lot on possession and not much at all on penetration, and that single match sample of the Q.P.R. game appears to back that up. You just seem to play a slow game which enables a defensive side to sit back and watch you take pot-shots from range. However, you've won 2-0 so your individual quality is still eventually picking through defences.

[Baldyloxxx]

Who is intended to score goals? 14 out of 36 shots on target is poor. Who is taking (and missing) all the shots? You seem to focus a lot on possession and not much at all on penetration, and that single match sample of the Q.P.R. game appears to back that up.

that was using cleons advice, not my normal tactics, although they produce the same results, bar i lose the game.

neymar, james rod, stirling, sanchez all poor at scoring now. and as ive said before i have started missing a LOT of pnalties.

also full backs have started playing up, holding on to ball and trying to score more.

[RTHerringbone]

that was using cleons advice, not my normal tactics, although they produce the same results, bar i lose the game.

neymar, james rod, stirling, sanchez all poor at scoring now. and as ive said before i have started missing a LOT of pnalties.

also full backs have started playing up, holding on to ball and trying to score more.

It just seems like you read the possession thread and decided that was a good idea and used some similar TIs? Your earlier system had four Attack Duties up front, so you're swinging wildly from one end of the spectrum to the other. If you were asked to articulate what you expected each player to contribute to the system, could you do that? You have to have an idea of what you're aiming to do, you can't just keep throwing mud and hope that some sticks.

[Baldyloxxx]

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[Baldyloxxx]

It just seems like you read the possession thread and decided that was a good idea and used some similar TIs? Your earlier system had four Attack Duties up front, so you're swinging wildly from one end of the spectrum to the other. If you were asked to articulate what you expected each player to contribute to the system, could you do that? You have to have an idea of what you're aiming to do, you can't just keep throwing mud and hope that some sticks.

Always worked in the past, as the game shouldnt be THAT complicated.

Anyway, judging by your first reaction i adjusted some roles and replayed. better results.

you guys are very helpfull to a lot of people, but you need to be a little less judgmental and snobby. not everyone has the time or patience to go as deeply as some of you do.

[RTHerringbone]

What does that latest post aim to do? So you've shown that (the same game?) can generate a different score with different Duties used?

[Baldyloxxx]

What does that latest post aim to do? So you've shown that (the same game?) can generate a different score with different Duties used?

It shows I have listened to what you have said and implemented it. And it has produced better scoring and less shots and a far better looking game than I have had in the whole of the current season I have been playing.

What is your problem? I don't get it.

[RTHerringbone]

It shows I have listened to what you have said and implemented it. And it has produced better scoring and less shots and a far better looking game than I have had in the whole of the current season I have been playing.

What is your problem? I don't get it.

I'm just confused by the sequence of the posts. Early on I said rein things in a bit and lose some Attack Duties, which is what the 4-0 match sort of shows (still too many Attack Duties for my liking, but that's by the by). But post #28 shows something different, which is loosely based on the possession thread. I just seems like you're trying lots of things and getting frustrated. That's fine, but you need to try to understand why the things you are doing are working or failing, or you'll end up stuck in a cycle of making changes with no real clear picture of play in your head.

[Baldyloxxx]

I'm just confused by the sequence of the posts. Early on I said rein things in a bit and lose some Attack Duties, which is what the 4-0 match sort of shows (still too many Attack Duties for my liking, but that's by the by). But post #28 shows something different, which is loosely based on the possession thread. I just seems like you're trying lots of things and getting frustrated. That's fine, but you need to try to understand why the things you are doing are working or failing, or you'll end up stuck in a cycle of making changes with no real clear picture of play in your head.

i read the poss thread, as possession football seemed to be the only way i was getting wins this season. I then made my team based on that. Cleaon had asked for SS to help you lot help me so i posted some of my last game, which ive played a few times now testing various tactics. You then said i needed penetration, so i upped some roles, and changed a few other bits and played again and got a far better looking game.

i dont want the tactics made for me, im inteligent enough to get little tips and form my own ideas, i.e i have decided that a more fluid game with lots of creativity will help me break down teams rather than pure possession.

im providing what i am asked to provide, and getting nothing but negative comments back which is what was frustrating.

[Baldyloxxx]

one issue im having though is my players trying to score from absurd angles.