Rabbett Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 -Obvious ones are the major European leagues. -Planning to start with Schalke so I will include most German Leagues. -What does view only do? -How is the player pool affected by not including certain leagues/nations -How is the player pool affected by setting a league/nation as view only Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuskalHerria Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 These are the leagues that I ALWAYS load: England Germany Spain Italy France Netherlands/Holland Belgium Portugal I also like Scandanavia and surrounding areas. There are a lot of great players and wonderkids from there Norway Sweden Denmark Switzerland Usually I have all of these loaded up. View only loads the players, but the leagues stay inactive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 View-only does not load the players from that nation other than those who would be included depending in whether you select a small, medium or large database. If you want players to be included in view-only leagues you need to manually add them via the advance database options which tends to undo the point of view-only (lower processing requirements) as each additional player in the game increases how long it takes to calculate non-match events. EuskalHerria's main league setup is on the money when managing in one of the main European leagues although I would also add Russia & maybe Ukraine to the first list. I'd probably also add players at top clubs in South America & Africa as that will help reduce competition for transfers as German clubs tend not to buy from either of those continents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbett Posted December 23, 2015 Author Share Posted December 23, 2015 How will Regens be affected by leaving out some leagues or setting some leagues to view only? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Clubs will only generate youth players if they have an active squad of players, teams that are mostly or entirely made up of virtual (grey) players will not contribute to the newgen system as there are no players to replace & they will also not be active in the transfer market as there will not be enough players to sustain a workable transfer market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbett Posted December 23, 2015 Author Share Posted December 23, 2015 Cheers pal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbett Posted December 23, 2015 Author Share Posted December 23, 2015 Thanks, I'll most likely use those leagues and maybe a couple more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miravlix Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 It's a complicated system and it really breaks the game when you don't get the right set of leagues loaded. Top end teams is very dependent on being able to buy players, so if you choose to play a competitor to say Celtic, but doesn't load all the leagues that Celtic buy/loan players from, Celtic will rapidly decline and not be a worthy adversary for long. It's unfortunately far to complicated to give a simple rule for what to load depending on the league you play in, some require South America, I think Scandinavia has the hots for Eastern Europe these days, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyInGreen Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 If you're playing from League One down to the National League, I'd recommend adding Scotland (four tiers), Wales and the two Irish premier divisions to your save. From the Championship, only the Scottish Premiership needs to be added from these countries. If you're managing the sixth tier down, there is no point in adding other nations as you can't scout in these countries as a semi-professional club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyInGreen Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 For a European save, I think Portugal should be added, as this is the first port of call for many Brazilian players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marinho Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Just FYI, with the players loaded (advanced setup) i have seen a kinda negligible difference between View Only and Playable in terms of transfer activity and squad competitiveness in the respective leagues. Routinely see the portuguese teams buy Brazilian star(lets) from there even with both leagues as view only, provided both leagues have their players loaded (heck, for Brazil i only load from Top Clubs). Heck, in my most recent longterm simmed save (to test my setup) in 2020 the view only league of Portugal had surpassed the playable league of France and the view-only leagues of Turkey and the Czech Republic surpassed the playable Netherlands in the nation club coefficient rankings. The thing about setting a nation to playable is that then the game proceeds to load thousands of players that serve no purpose unless you actually also load the lower leagues and plan to manage there (and in a multitude of nations); If you plan to play largely with 1 club in England, why would you have the game in, say, Switzerland or Poland simulated in detail and load 2000 players outside the first division ? Overall both the leagues (playable ones) and players loaded depend largely on what you want from your save. I have a "base" setup of about 50k players loaded with the big 5 (really don´t see the point with Portugal where the big 4 will win dominate anyway) as playable, players from clubs in continental competition + top clubs for the relevant nations (continent i want to manage), when i plan on playing european football (so no LLM save/Journeyman) then first division players from the 2nd tier european countries (say switzerland, Czech Republic, Netherlands, Belgium) as well to keep them competitive. I also like to load Top clubs from certain "not-on-my-continent" nations to keep the NTs competitive as i very likely want to manage a NT at some point. Overall i have a self-induced cap of about 50-55k players loaded, which imo is way more than enough to intelligently populate the FM world with a good deal of both depths and variety. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewsgn Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Does adding "Players from Top Clubs" generate more regens from those nations over time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miravlix Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Does adding "Players from Top Clubs" generate more regens from those nations over time? Generating players depends on what clubs is loaded, if you load only English clubs, you get English players and the non-english players those club generate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YOUNGSTEVE Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Clubs will only generate youth players if they have an active squad of players, teams that are mostly or entirely made up of virtual (grey) players will not contribute to the newgen system as there are no players to replace & they will also not be active in the transfer market as there will not be enough players to sustain a workable transfer market. Bit late but just noticed this. This is why if you are playing lower down to make sure add players to team is selected before starting game, to ensure each side in a playable league is filled out with players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marinho Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Generating players depends on what clubs is loaded, if you load only English clubs, you get English players and the non-english players those club generate. So put differently, @ andrewsgn : Yes, "players from top clubs" is essentially assuring that those 5 or 6 clubs with the highest reputation (in the respective country, not overall) start with their original players and continue to produce regens. Which then of course also end up at different clubs in that country or abroad, keeping the pool of players from that nation generally stable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xambo Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 I would also add Brazil League and Argentina League. In my experience these two create a lot of regen wonderkids that can be bought for cheap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewsgn Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 So put differently, @ andrewsgn : Yes, "players from top clubs" is essentially assuring that those 5 or 6 clubs with the highest reputation (in the respective country, not overall) start with their original players and continue to produce regens. Which then of course also end up at different clubs in that country or abroad, keeping the pool of players from that nation generally stable. Thanks. So for leagues that only have a few decent teams like Switzerland or Greece I assume it would be slightly better performance wise to load the players from top clubs vs making the whole league playable? I have a few more questions: 1) Will it negatively impact the transfer market (in terms of selling players) if you add too many of these top teams since you are adding players but not teams that will be active buyers in the transfer market? 2) If I make some of the second tier European leagues like Holland, Belgium and Portugal playable. Is there any downside to making only the first division playable? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marinho Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 1) But they are active Buyers Maybe not quite as active (although again i think the difference is negligible) as in playable, but they are active since they start with a full team and continue to try to keep one. For example: In my current save the view only Portuguese Clubs are all actively selling and buying tons of players (League is view only, all first division players loaded). Even a club like Belenenses brought 12 players in, Benfica spent 40 Million on guys like Milik, Elyonoussi (Molde) and a slew of Brazilian players (which, again, are view-only). And Molde reinvested that money (5 mio) on a couple guys from Slovenia and Poland as well as from their own league. 2) First off: Know that there is no way to make 1 division playable and another view-only. You eithr add all leagues in 1 country as playable or as view-only. And if you load just the first divsion as playable, there is no downside unless you want to manage there. Playable will also load the players from the 2nd division and further down (test it in the game setup: The difference in player count between view-only with no players added and playable can be up to 5000 players for a country like France, the first division accounts for maybe 800-1000 of those if you consider U18 players). Which is why i have begun to load the firs division as view only and then load the first division players via the advanced options. That way the game does not get cluttered with lower league players that have no purpose for my game. I don´t care if the 3rd division teams in a country have players, unless i plan to manage there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlightlyAwkward Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 How does this affect teams that are promoted into a league set to view only with only the top division players loaded? Because, presumably, they will have a team of only greyed out players so won't transfer or get regens. If I'm understanding what's been covered, at least. And thus won't be able too compete in that league, leaving more or less the original selection of teams too fight it out for European places. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marinho Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 In the big countries those clubs will still have some players loaded from the normal setting. And do you really care if a current 2nd division team from Switzerland will ever challenge for the European places ? And they will start transferring players in upon entering the first division (Heck, even upon game start even teams with greyed out players will get real players on the transfer market from the FA pool and weaker teams and especially from teams in non-loaded leagues (neither playable nor view-only). Which is another reason to put all available leagues to at least view-only. In any case, you´ll have to draw the line somewhere. I personally propably draw it a little quicker than others, thats why i recommend everybody to simply test this out in a holiday save. Make a save with varied setups for the various leagues (for example look for comparable leagues like Belgium/Netherlands/Turkey and set 1 to playable, 1 to view only/top divsion players and 1 to view-only/top clubs loaded), let it sim 5 years or more while you are sleeping or at work and take a look around how it looks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Fortune Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 What leagues to load if i want realistic and competitive Euro competitions. Probably start in england, or Scotland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 I load EVERYTHING! There is often plenty of waiting hence I have the PS4 out at the same time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 What leagues to load if i want realistic and competitive Euro competitions. Probably start in england, or Scotland. All the main European ones. If you can manage it I would load all the European leagues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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