paz Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Have won the treble with Arsenal in my first season and the board are offering me a 3 year extension on the same wage (110k pw ) as I am already on, and are rejecting any clauses or negotiations to a higher wage. Should I not accept their proposal out of principal? Contract talks have broken down twice now and my contract is soon to expire. The club is in a strong financial position, so I'm not sure why they are unwilling to offer me any bonus' or clauses, and no wage increase. We were 8th at Christmas time, got knocked out of the Carling Cup in round 1 by Brentford, needed countless replays in the FA cup against lower league teams, and lost first 2 games of Champs League group. However, a 45 game unbeaten run has seen us nick the title on the last day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidPengilley Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Your call. I'd probably negotiate it to 1 year and reevaluate at the end of the season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave7867 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 had the same thing at juventus,when i wanted the juventus i accepted the contract they offered 12k a week. fast forward in the last year of contract they want me to renew for 12k again. in the 2.5 seasons i had won seria a twice the cup twice and europa league,so i thought no sod it since players are getting 10-20 what im getting so no matter what i wanted or tried even just to get 20k nope....so i rejected it and let my contract run down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Dust Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 In the game my own wage means extremely little to me. If I'm enjoying managing for the club I'm at and they offer an extension I'll take any contract I can get off them. If I'm not enjoying the role I'll just move on to a new one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paz Posted January 1, 2016 Author Share Posted January 1, 2016 I've also noticed that my current contract (which expires in a week) has a bonus for winning the Champs league, and by new offer does not. So, in spite of being in a great financial position, and winning the treble in my first season, Arsenal are offering me a worse contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sallers75 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Does it really matter what they are offering you? Its not like you can spend it!! If you want to manage them then it really doesn't make a difference, plus it gives you more money to play with for other wages Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizzy444 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 I would see out the remainder of your contact and see what they offer with a couple of weeks left till it expires also keep your eye out for other opportunities, remember money isn't everything reputation is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
podunkboy Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Sometimes expressing interest in another position will spur your club to negotiate with you. And yes, manager salary is a non-issue in-game where spending is concerned, but if you're trying to play a realistic game, most managers would want to be appreciated by their employer, especially if you have access to the books and know they can afford it. I have, in the past, moved on to take the job at a rival and then attempted to beat my old club mercilessly at every opportunity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameuss Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 In my experience there's very little wiggle room in terms of managers wages when it comes to renewals or new jobs. If you could do something with the money, then it might seem more important, but it's one of those things you can just shrug at, with the fact that they're offering you a new contract enough in the grand scheme of things. In your case, I could rationalise why you weren't given a pay rise. You underachieved for a club of Arsenal's size in both cups. You didn't mention how you did in the Champions League, but you did lose those first two games so presumably sneaked through. You did win the league though, but I'd see that as getting you a renewal rather than a pay rise. All subjective though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetopic Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Its a simulation game, of course it matter if the board offers you a better contract or not. Do you think you would in real life be accepting a poor contract when other managers would earn millions more then you pr year? Achievements should be rewarded, for players and managers. Does not seem like SI have put much effort in this aspect of the game. Maybe in the future we will see some more exciting reward kind of contracts from the board. With bonuses and really high wage. But for me, there is other sections in game that needs to be better coded and looked into then the manager contract from the board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameuss Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Its a simulation game, of course it matter if the board offers you a better contract or not. Do you think you would in real life be accepting a poor contract when other managers would earn millions more then you pr year? Achievements should be rewarded, for players and managers. In real life, yes. There's a tangible reward there. In FM, I find it personally matters little, as there is no tangible reward beyond a number on a screen. Heresy to you maybe, but there you go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Name Last Name Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I can't believe there are people who care what their wage is. I like my contract to be long and I'll always negotiate the wages down to get longer deals (not to mention taking up as little of the wage budget as possible so I can use it for players/staff; every little helps). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norfolk Enchants Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Does your wage actually affect the wage budget? I can't remember if it does or not .. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Olive Branch Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Doesn't it affect job security and compo payable by future clubs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overmars Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Is there another EPL manager position available? If so then take it out of spite. Then you'll have a nice built-in rivalry against Arsenal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan045 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I always use the 50% wage increase on my contracts, keeps me motivated to play numbers of seasons. On the 4th year of my 50% wage increase I find myself on the same amount as Pep Guardiola. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRCHDG Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 But shouldn't it effect the general wage structure for staff. If they keep the managers wage down they keep the rest of staffs wages down as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca72 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Context is pretty important, what do other managers in the world earn? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paz Posted January 3, 2016 Author Share Posted January 3, 2016 In my experience there's very little wiggle room in terms of managers wages when it comes to renewals or new jobs. If you could do something with the money, then it might seem more important, but it's one of those things you can just shrug at, with the fact that they're offering you a new contract enough in the grand scheme of things.In your case, I could rationalise why you weren't given a pay rise. You underachieved for a club of Arsenal's size in both cups. You didn't mention how you did in the Champions League, but you did lose those first two games so presumably sneaked through. You did win the league though, but I'd see that as getting you a renewal rather than a pay rise. All subjective though. I won the treble (league, fa cup and champions league). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizbaII Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 If the amount of money the manager makes affects how much salary a player/agent demands from you and how highly your players respect you, then I can see myself caring about wages. I believe SAF saying once that he refused to let players make more money than him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetopic Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I can't believe there are people who care what their wage is. I like my contract to be long and I'll always negotiate the wages down to get longer deals (not to mention taking up as little of the wage budget as possible so I can use it for players/staff; every little helps). Is not the point with a simulation game to SIMULATE real life style of a manager? Never heard of a manager thinking like you do. But then again, i am not here to tell you how to play the game. For me, the fun part is to actually simulate being a real manager. If i do good, i expect a good deal as a appreciation of my work for the club. Sadly, this is maybe one of the games poorest part of the game. Why even have the contract part if it is only there to be a "show" without any meaning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetopic Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I believe SAF saying once that he refused to let players make more money than him. This is very true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmfan00 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 When it comes to me redoing my contract I could care what they offer me along as I get the proposed stuff I want agreed to then I stay if not then I do... For example I'm with guiseley right now so I'll ask for another senior team, an affiliate team and increase youth coaching.. If they can't agree those those 3 terms I'll be leaving... I've managed to get them in top 5 of VN when media predicted avoiding relegation... So to me doesn't matter on cost of my contract or term it's all about principals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norfolk Enchants Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Is not the point with a simulation game to SIMULATE real life style of a manager? Never heard of a manager thinking like you do. But then again, i am not here to tell you how to play the game.For me, the fun part is to actually simulate being a real manager. If i do good, i expect a good deal as a appreciation of my work for the club. Sadly, this is maybe one of the games poorest part of the game. Why even have the contract part if it is only there to be a "show" without any meaning. It kind of does have meaning though, the length and amount affect how secure your job is. If your contract was 5 years and £100,000 per week, you'd be afforded a lot more job security than if you had a 2 year £100,000 per week contract. Same goes for compensation when you're approached by another club. They're less likely to approach you on a 5 year £100,000 per week deal than the 2 year version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Yes, of course it means something. I recently declared interest in a job, while still employed. I received a news item a few days later, indicating that my board is worried because although there will be a compensation fee involved, because of my contract it was very low. That meant it would be easy for another club to poach me. On the flip side, it would be just as easy for the same reason, for my club to sack me if I'm not doing well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizbaII Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I'm glad to know it affects something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXXDragon Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Yes, of course it means something.I recently declared interest in a job, while still employed. I received a news item a few days later, indicating that my board is worried because although there will be a compensation fee involved, because of my contract it was very low. That meant it would be easy for another club to poach me. On the flip side, it would be just as easy for the same reason, for my club to sack me if I'm not doing well. Regardless with what u said I was offered a stupid contract with decrease from 100k t0 91k, I try to simulate the game by doing a "Perfect Job" without any lose for a season and won all cups for MU (I did it without adding manager, just restart a few games I lost plus making future transfer by buying Gareth Bale from Madrid for 40M and sell Rooney there for the same amount from the editor then buy Romero and Zivkovic without editor help and sell Valencia, Harrera, Young and few fringe players with the help of the editor as well with their real value to French League Clubs such as Monaco etc, the league I did not play). I wait until my contract expired and no new contract for a raise was offered, always the same amount new contract for 91k eventhough Chelsea agreed to hire me LOL. Is this a bug? in FM2015 I was given a raise without even doing "a perfect job" I am now a manager of MU with expired contract. Now that is very very realistic BTW since we got paid, I would like to sugguest FM2017 a new feature, we could buy a club and become The Jack of All Trades Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhughthom Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I managed to negotiate slightly higher contract at the start of season six as Arsenal, so it is possible. Originally offered £5.6m (about the same as op) per year, I negotiated for £6m and they (eventually, negotiated upwards in £100k increments) agreed. That's after 5 titles, 4 Champions Leagues, 4 World Club Cups, 3 League Cups and 2 FA Cups. 5 star rep and club legend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tieio Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 This seriously needs some fixing, as it is right now you will always be the lowest paid manager in the upper echelon. I would think after enough success you could get a contract that offers you a lot more security. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyblueintarn Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Got the same thing playing as psg- should be fixed in the next update according to devs. I uploaded my save for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXXDragon Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 hopefully they would also add that we can negotiate our wages when we negotiate with other club and not just wait for the genarosity of the owner/chairman to randomize our wages Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norfolk Enchants Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I don't like signing five year contracts, so I negotiate to three which apparently means the board can shave off £20,000 from my original salary. I've gone from £54,000 (five years) to almost £30,000 (three years). I don't exactly think that is fair. Not normally one to give a toss about how much I'm earning, but I do care about the length of my contract. This will be the second time I've taken a pay cut to reduce the years in the contract negotiations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathon Dress Week Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I wonder whether the AI managers get offered these sort of terms? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXXDragon Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I always use the 50% wage increase on my contracts, keeps me motivated to play numbers of seasons. On the 4th year of my 50% wage increase I find myself on the same amount as Pep Guardiola. A very good idea. Thanks ghost I have a saved game after I won all competitions. Here is how it was done as to cheat the Bugs My contract at the end of the season on May 2016 My Contract Negotiation Board Final Proposal My New Stupid Contract on May 2016 My Raise on June 2016 Within one month I got the wage almost the same like my previous wages and all the bonuses, Next Year I gonna be richer What a stupid bug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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