xtradj Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Is anyone else receiving pathetically low transfer amounts for various players in their squad? I had Jordan Ibe at first 18/19 season worth 9.5m I listed him for sale and got offers of around 2m for him. Played 21, scored 7, 5 assists. That's just one example of many I can name. Fed up of it every year the same issue in fm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Is anyone else receiving pathetically low transfer amounts for various players in their squad?I had Jordan Ibe at first 18/19 season worth 9.5m I listed him for sale and got offers of around 2m for him. Played 21, scored 7, 5 assists. That's just one example of many I can name. Fed up of it every year the same issue in fm That would be because it isn't an issue, its your lack of understanding and failure to negotiate. If you haven't set an asking price then other clubs will see his value of £9.5m and then that you have listed him for transfer implying that you don't want him. A starting offer of £2m is fairly reasonable in that situation and with negotiation you would probably be able to sell him for £5m-£7m including add ons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 As always (and we keep repeating this) if you think it's an issue, upload your save and report it in the bugs forum for SI to review. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidPengilley Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Value is subjective. You listed him for sale and the bargain bin, got offered a knock down price. Like the above said, post a bug if you think that's an issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waughs728 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 The selling is an issue I took rangers to a champions league final and the best offer I got for my captain in summer window after when he wasn't for sale was 2million which was his value but hardly realistic considering he was champions league finalist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 The selling is an issue I took rangers to a champions league final and the best offer I got for my captain in summer window after when he wasn't for sale was 2million which was his value but hardly realistic considering he was champions league finalist Depends how long is left on his contract, and how much said contract is actually worth. Do not forget that bigger teams will big for your players for an amount they know will be rejected in a hope to unsettle the player so he tries to force a move away. Thus, they may be able to get him for a lot less than they would have paid for him if they had not done this. This has been a particular bane of mine in my current Everton save. Realistic but annoying! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 The selling is an issue I took rangers to a champions league final and the best offer I got for my captain in summer window after when he wasn't for sale was 2million which was his value but hardly realistic considering he was champions league finalist Unfortunately his value will have been dragged down by the going rate for a player based in Scotland, winning the Champions League (how realistic is that btw) will be one part of a much larger equation so unless the rest of the league improves to a point that it drives up overall transfer values you're not going to be in a position to get top dollar for your players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waughs728 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Unfortunately his value will have been dragged down by the going rate for a player based in Scotland, winning the Champions League (how realistic is that btw) will be one part of a much larger equation so unless the rest of the league improves to a point that it drives up overall transfer values you're not going to be in a position to get top dollar for your players. Didn't win it got battered 4.0 just got lucky run of poor Turkish and Greek teams in knock outs before psg final were got battered. True about league rep but look at Virgil van dyke wanyama they sold for a lot more in real life also past transfers like hutton boumsong all nearly ten million transfers so it is slightly unrealistic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waughs728 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Depends how long is left on his contract, and how much said contract is actually worth. Do not forget that bigger teams will big for your players for an amount they know will be rejected in a hope to unsettle the player so he tries to force a move away. Thus, they may be able to get him for a lot less than they would have paid for him if they had not done this. This has been a particular bane of mine in my current Everton save. Realistic but annoying! Your comment makes more sense but it still bit unrealistic in terms of the final resulting offers still being lower than some real life transfers out of Scotland to premier league. But it's only small issue if player doesn't want to play for me I get rid anyway lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Didn't win it got battered 4.0 just got lucky run of poor Turkish and Greek teams in knock outs before psg final were got battered. True about league rep but look at Virgil van dyke wanyama they sold for a lot more in real life also past transfers like hutton boumsong all nearly ten million transfers so it is slightly unrealistic Nice run to the final, got to love picking up the easiest possible opponents in the KO rounds. You raise a reasonable point with the players mentioned but they are the exceptions & a couple of them do not represent the current transfer market, if you get a talented player who is perceived to have plenty of potential & attracts the interest of a Premier League club while still having a reasonable amount of time left on his contact then getting a £10m-£15m transfer deal is possible, just uncommon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waughs728 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Nice run to the final, got to love picking up the easiest possible opponents in the KO rounds.You raise a reasonable point with the players mentioned but they are the exceptions & a couple of them do not represent the current transfer market, if you get a talented player who is perceived to have plenty of potential & attracts the interest of a Premier League club while still having a reasonable amount of time left on his contact then getting a £10m-£15m transfer deal is possible, just uncommon. Fair point well presented but no game can be perfect tho suppose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtradj Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 Yes if I want a house that's listed at 9m id put in a starting bid of 2m. Absolute nonsense some of the comments on here. Every single player you bid for on the game more or less you have to pay more than the value they are worth. If they are listed you can get them for the listed price but if not listed you'll nearly always pay more. So why is it you get ridiculously low bids for your own players listed or not? Always less than the value they are worth. Yet if I want someone it's always more than their value. That's what doesn't make sense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Hyperbole really does drown out any points raised in a post. All I can say is that the AI transfer process is not always the same, I've had clubs offer £50m as a starting point & have sold players with significant mark ups on their listed value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Yes if I want a house that's listed at 9m id put in a starting bid of 2m. Absolute nonsense some of the comments on here. Every single player you bid for on the game more or less you have to pay more than the value they are worth. If they are listed you can get them for the listed price but if not listed you'll nearly always pay more. So why is it you get ridiculously low bids for your own players listed or not? Always less than the value they are worth. Yet if I want someone it's always more than their value. That's what doesn't make sense Human user bids less than what the AI manager wants for a player - AI manager rejects AI manager bids less than what the human manager wants for a player - human manager rejects then complains about it on the forum I really don't see the problem, if the offer isn't what you are willing to accept you negotiate or reject. If you can't make a deal you move on & keep the player. I've just had an offer for one of my first team players, the opening bid was 15% higher than the player value (No asking price set). I chose to reject because I want to keep the player but the offer was a good one so not every bid you receive is low. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjawi. Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Asking prices are pointless in this version of the game. To ward off bigger clubs on older versions you could put high values on star players and clubs would either not bid or bid close to the set value in which case you consider for good money. On this one though, I've noticed that it doesn't work. Started a season with Newcastle, set Janmaat's value to £40m, but Man Utd keep bidding his standard value of £12.5m, which is awful money for him and then he get's annoyed that I rejected the offer. Had it with other players as well. Value system doesn't work like it used to unless your an AI team... but now I play them at their own game and upset their players when I become a big club and lowball their valuations... not that they're ever accepted, but that's not too much of an issue as I wouldn't accept them if I was the AI team. I have had a few cases though where, as 2 time Prem winner, teams have bid almost half the price of a first team player who has 3 years left on his contract. Things like that aren't right, but it's not too often and I haven't had a player kick off about those - I do get the annoying "give my client a new contract for rejecting a bid for him" though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herne79 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Personally I'm ok with it. The AI does to me what I do to the AI. Fairs fair. What I find a little galling is when I receive an offer, I go back with a higher counter offer and the bidding club pulls out. This tends to result in a sulky player wanting to know why I rejected the bid - and I have no way of telling him that I didn't reject the bid, it was the other team who pulled out. Of course I could always leave these things up to my Director of Football.... Hey ho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidPengilley Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Yes if I want a house that's listed at 9m id put in a starting bid of 2m. Absolute nonsense some of the comments on here. Just because something, in the owners eyes, is perceived to be worth £9 million, does not make it true. You value it at significant less, and offered that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkSleeper Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I really don't understand the fuzz about a club bidding below the value of a player. Thats perfectly normal, no? If u want to negotiate about buying a player u don't start with ur highest bid! I have had so many occasions where I doubled or trippled the AI's offer for a player after negotiating or refusing. If u don't like the bid, negotiate and eventually accept or refuse. If they really want the player they will come back with a higher bid. He might get unsettled but there are a few options that work for keeping ur player happy. If they don't work u'll don't have much choice but to sell. But thats still no reason to act way too fast in a transfer deal. In real life alot of transfers take weeks of negotiating before they get a deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameuss Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Yes if I want a house that's listed at 9m id put in a starting bid of 2m. Absolute nonsense some of the comments on here. Every single player you bid for on the game more or less you have to pay more than the value they are worth. If they are listed you can get them for the listed price but if not listed you'll nearly always pay more. So why is it you get ridiculously low bids for your own players listed or not? Always less than the value they are worth. Yet if I want someone it's always more than their value. That's what doesn't make sense And if you did a slide tackle on someone in the street you'd get the jail. Anyone can throw out something ridiculous like that. But if you really want to go down that analogy, what if someone's selling a house and they absolutely need to get out, so put it up for a quick sale. Do you just go in at the value? Because, I mean, that's what it's worth, isn't it? Why would you go any lower? Because negotiation. We had to sell our flat fairly quickly due to a house we wanted going up. We got a good price, but ended up probably accepting less than we could've got because we needed to sell. Then we ended up getting our house with a lower bid than a rival due to being able to move in earlier. Because - you guessed it - they wanted to sell too. The operative words are clear, and can be directly attributed to the story the OP brought. He put a player up for sale, showing that he didn't want said player. Why would any club immediately bid his (completely arbitrary) value? They'd go in low and build up. It makes perfect sense. I really don't understand the fuzz about a club bidding below the value of a player. Thats perfectly normal, no? If u want to negotiate about buying a player u don't start with ur highest bid! I have had so many occasions where I doubled or trippled the AI's offer for a player after negotiating or refusing. If u don't like the bid, negotiate and eventually accept or refuse. If they really want the player they will come back with a higher bid. He might get unsettled but there are a few options that work for keeping ur player happy. If they don't work u'll don't have much choice but to sell. But thats still no reason to act way too fast in a transfer deal. In real life alot of transfers take weeks of negotiating before they get a deal. And this is absolutely correct. Teams will pretty much always come in low, and you can suss out the ones who are just chancing it, and those who are genuinely interested with one counter-bid. In fact, when I was still managing a club team on FM15, one of my favourite aspects was the negotiation, because you could often turn a low-ball bid into the buying party having to shell out far more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hluraven Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 The only thing annoying me about the transfer system is the AI offers being non-negotiable most of the time, even when they will change their offer. A quick example, I just offered a player out for loan, and got 17 non-negotiable offers back, all for less than 100% of the player's wage. I reject all of them, and immediately offered the player out for loan with the 100% of his wage locked from my side. All 17 teams then re-submitted an offer, with 100% of the player's wage. If they were prepared to do that, why were their offers non-negotiable in the first place. This all took place within one hour of game time, it's not a change of mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Why should they not submit a non-negotiable offer? They might be willing to pay/contribute more but offering a non-negotiable deal puts you in a yes/no position, if you agree they get a player at less than they were willing to pay & if you decline they can still come back at a later date with an improved deal. What would be a concern is if they kept coming back in with a non-negotiable offer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameuss Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 What barside said. I can see where you're coming from hluraven, but it's just part of negotiation. Someone comes in, telling you they have one offer, take it or leave it. You're going to treat that differently psychologically to if they put in an opening offer that you can negotiate. It doesn't mean that they can't afford more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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