Rayzor Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 After a game, most of my players will be at 100% sharpness and around 70% condition. The day after the game they all drop to 99% (not keeper), yet my previous opposition is still at 100% Three days after the game, some of my squad is at 98%(keeper at 99%) and my previous opponent is still at 100%. This is happening pretty much after every game. I have a large squad and cycle players a lot, but plenty of players are getting full matches and achieving 100% sharpness after each game. But i start every game at around 98% for regular players, and closer to 90% for rotation players. Also Alexis Sanchez started a game at 98% sharpness, 96% condition. He got a gashed arm just before half time. I subbed him at half time. Physio said he is out for 3 days. 3 days later he is at 92% sharpness (almost match unfit) and 85% condition. I cant play him much in today's game. Even if he plays 45 mins, he might gain only 1% sharpness. So if i leave him out this weekend, he will be unfit for the next match and have to get back fitness in the reserves which is mid week, meaning he'll miss another game for his condition to recover. So from a simple cut on his arm he's going end up unfit for matches, and miss two games. That just isn't right. Get some stitches and play on! Hes a tough guy and model professional. He should understand. He doesn't need to lose fitness from a cut on the arm. Also i have a old guy Klose who i cant seem to get the reserve team manager to play to get him fit. They play the same tactics as 1st team, and i have given him the striker position. But the reserve team manager simply wont play him, in preference for some of the younger lads. How do i override this? I need him to get fit, so i can play him, so i can extend his contract for another year so he can continue to tutor the kids. What is going on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayzor Posted February 27, 2016 Author Share Posted February 27, 2016 immediately after a game: The day after a game. notice the injured guy AML has lost 2% sharpness - more than everyone else. A bruised jaw causes extra sharpness to be lost? I dont get it. My AMR has already lost 1% sharpness too Two days after the game. I start losing match sharpness. Is match sharpness supposed to drop this fast? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 What do you think is happening & why might that be the case Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayzor Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 I don't know that's why i'm asking here. It depends on how FM models fitness, which is apparently through two visible variables condition and sharpness. In real life that's not how "fitness" really works, and its not measurable to a linear scale of 100. Factors involved are physical and mental, and how much and what type of activity is done, biological makeup, developmental influences. It hugely complex. To boil it down to two numbers is only ONE way to model and measure it, and surely is not the only way. If its not the only way, then there are sure to be different opinions. If there are sure to be different opinions, then who is to say one person and right and another person is wrong. Sure there are factors such as amount and frequency of game time, amount of training, personality, age, quality of facilities, quality of coaches, what he does in his spare time, My understanding is that match sharpness is how well the player is "up to speed" with the level and intensity of game that the club play at competition level. Its more mental than physical in my opinion. One could argue that pre-season can physically prepare players, but until the competition really starts, you're not at your peak. Match sharpness shouldn't start dropping the day after a game in September. Or if that is how it is modeled then at least it should apply universally for every player in every team. Jadedness, in real life, is not a very well understood phenomenon. Most people understand it as "burn out". But it has very different characteristics depending on the time scale. Very short term, extremely high repetition burn-out such as on time scales of a few minutes and repetition of say 100 will induce short term burn out which may last to the order of a similar time scale. For example drumming your fingers or saying the same word. Very long term burn out, say over the course of a few years or decades may be permanent. For example stressful jobs, RSI or other injuries. Its also very individual. Some people may exhibit symptoms earlier than other, some not at all. In football, not all players might suffer jadedness to the same degree. In my game, I rotate my players often, i have high training intensity only 1 day week between frequent rest days, match preparation, and match days. In a period of 1 month, some players might play 6 games and training 4 days at high intensity balanced (assuming match preparation and match days they aren't playing don't include any general training). Other players might play 2 games. All my players both 1st team and rotation appear to be suffering to the same degree. A couple of players having progressed further in off season international competition were feeling "a little jaded after the last game". I rested them from training and games for a week. They too seem to lost sharpness the day after a game. Last season i didn't have this problem. Opponents too seem to keep 100% sharpness for much longer. Am i doing too much physical work or too little? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 You might be working the players too hard in training & by using a heavy rotation system you are not allowing them enough consecutive matches to maintain 100% match sharpness between matches, not that 98/98% is a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 I'm not sure why you think dropping from 100% sharpness to 99% is a big drop... It's fairly logical to expect a player to lose some sharpness during the week when not playing full games ... How often will you see a manager saying the 'long break' between games will affect his team's sharpness? I see it said all the time. I'd only start to worry if it was dropping by the 10's of % tbh ... Hows your training? how often are you having match training etc? Are you resting them before and after games? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayzor Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 I'm not sure why you think dropping from 100% sharpness to 99% is a big drop...It's fairly logical to expect a player to lose some sharpness during the week when not playing full games ... How often will you see a manager saying the 'long break' between games will affect his team's sharpness? I see it said all the time. I'd only start to worry if it was dropping by the 10's of % tbh ... Hows your training? how often are you having match training etc? Are you resting them before and after games? I do expect sharpness to drop over time. But I also expect my players to be as human as other players in other teams; and for the laws of nature to apply equally to all players, and all thing being the same, sharpness levels should start dropping at a similar rate. So either its something Im doing "wrong" or "differently" or my sharpness is falling faster than my opponents' players. Two days after a game is not a long break by any stretch of the imagination. My training is high and balanced, but i frequently add rest days. I do this to try to ensure players in my reserve squad are getting as much training as possible, while my main squad is not getting too much. Always rest after, match prep is 40% (one full day before the game), manually rest other days, train 1 day a week for main squad, train up to 5 days a week for reserves. Its not that 98% sharpness is a big problem for any one player. But i have a large squad, and as EVERY player in my squad is losing sharpness almost EVERY day, I'm struggling to keep all players match fit. Last season i didn't have this problem at all. I didn't expect buying a few more fringe players who don't get many games would cause my whole squad to start losing sharpness. My training method is the same as last season. Pre-season was different a number players need extended leave, but its October now, regardless of how pre-season went, they should be in full swing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Yeah, you are right, if it's only dropping for you, there is obviously something different in your setup to other teams.. I would suggest playing around with training... rest days in particular.. I would suspect having a rest day after a match might affect it adversely for instance... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 As you're rotating your team selection more than in previous seasons you can probably look to reduce the amount of rest players get between matches, the less demanding match schedule will allow you to work players harder in training & is probably a necessity to help keep players in peak condition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayzor Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 Not having a rest day after a match would lead to high intensity training on low condition for players that played, which in the game i think means a higher likelyhood of injuries, which i want to avoid. If i change the general training to low intensity, it would mean my youth development in reserves would not be getting full development. Ideally id like for players on low condition due to just playing 90 minutes, to just have a simple light job and stretching and physio. But players on low condition due to coming back from a holiday or injury (and no longer actually injured) to have high intensity interval training. HIIT training being the fad for the last 10 years. Rumours that it causes more injuries long term - who knows. But seems to result in performance benefits. Players that didnt get a game would get an internal friendly and/or heavy training. Ill stop resting the day after games see if that does anything. That's the problem. I have no idea if im playing too often or too much, or training too often or too little. There is no information feed back from the game to tell me whats going on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 That's a reasonable starting point, be prepared for things to not work as you make your way through possible changes to help mitigate for the lower activity due to fewer matches. Of course the obvious solution is to scrap the rotation policy you introduced this season but that will come with its own set of problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayzor Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 So this worked. Thanks for the advice. Reducing the resting, or increasing the amount of training seemed to allow sharpness to be maintained better, at least when sharpness is at 100% Strangely, I had players complaining about a training work load being too high, but that was not sufficient to maintain sharpness at 100%, and at the same time too high and contributing to jaded players. Right now i have a choice of A) more training at low condition risking injury, increase in accumulation of jadedness, slightly lower condition levels, but 100% sharpness. (particularly for players who just played a game) B) more rest, less injury risk, lower jaded, higher condition levels, but lower sharpness. And more players at unfit levels of match sharpness - particularly rotation players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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