Inappropriately-timed half-time

[turnip]

Just had the referee blow for Half Time a fraction of a second before a shot from one of my strikers would have crossed the line for a goal.

Great work, ref. Really well done.

[Guest]

We don't have a getting by goat thread in here I'm afraid, ref looked at his watched & blew for time when time was up.

Tough break, would love to have the post match press conference cover that happening.

Pity we can't start a getting my goat thread, I've just had a striker claim he is playing the best football of his life after I criticised a lacklustre performance. I head to his form record as I might have been harsh on him, nope, 1 goal in 11 consecutive matches.

[mack4ever]

It may be annoying but there is no requirement for the referee to allow a passage of play to finish before calling time on the half.

[turnip]

Yeah. Convention dictates a referee lets something like that go, but I think something happened recently in a game in England recently so there you go.

[Spurs08]

I'd actually report that as a bug. It's almost certainly unintended. The convention is that the whistle won't be blown whilst there's a clear goalscoring oppourtunity.

[Guest]

There's no such convention so in this case there is no bug to report, turnip is correct that there was an exact example of this happening to Accrington Stanley last month.

[rayr27]

This nearly happened at the end of the 2008 League Cup final as I recall. Ref called time just as a Chelsea player hit a shot which then hit the post. Chelsea players the surrounded the ref protesting the final whistle which may well go down as one of the most futile bits of dissent in football history...

[Sir Alex FM]

The opposition almost always get to finish their attack while the ref blows his whistle exactly when the added time is up when I'm on the attack/break.

[Spurs08]

There's no such convention so in this case there is no bug to report, turnip is correct that there was an exact example of this happening to Accrington Stanley last month.

The fact that this was remarkable enough for people to remember very much suggests to me that it was entirely unconventional. The vast, vast majority of the time, it doesn't happen. I'm not saying that it shouldn't happen very occasionally in-game too, but whilst that could have been coded in as a remote possibility it could also be that the game is failing to recognise a clear-cut chance or there's an inaccurate visual representation of what's happening in the engine. Given that this could be the case, I'd say it warrents raising so it can be looked at - if SI know they've coded this in and it isn't a bug they can just ignore it.

[Spurs08]

The opposition almost always get to finish their attack while the ref blows his whistle exactly when the added time is up when I'm on the attack/break.

That's just not true. The engine doesn't even know whether a team is AI or human controlled. It's either bad luck or confirmation bias.

[HUNT3R]

In my opinion, if it doesn't look right (we obviously haven't seen it), then it can be reported as long as the PKM is included for SI to properly evaluate it. Interrupting an attack is one thing, but if we're talking about a ball on the way to the goal and just before it goes in, the whistle is blown, that sounds off.

[Guest]

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[HUNT3R]

That is quite shocking, Barside. Certainly 1 in a million though.

[Spurs08]

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Again, "it happened once" does not mean that it is normal or conventional, or that it happening in-game is the result of a conscious coding decision rather than a bug which could be related to other issues as well. Frankly I don't know why you're posting this and ignoring the point when nobody's denied it happening.

[Guest]

That is quite shocking, Barside. Certainly 1 in a million though.

Much like turnip's example then.

Again, "it happened once" does not mean that it is normal or conventional, or that it happening in-game is the result of a conscious coding decision rather than a bug which could be related to other issues as well. Frankly I don't know why you're posting this and ignoring the point when nobody's denied it happening.

The same it happened once rule applies to FM, unless there are more examples of it happening from the save same or multiple examples from different saves it is highly unlikely to be considered an issue.

The code will simply follow the laws of the game which calls for the final whistle to be blown regardless of the flow of the game, any change from that would be something to raise in the wishlist thread.

Also found the example that rayz27 mentioned, have to go to the 1:40.

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[Spurs08]

The same it happened once rule applies to FM, unless there are more examples of it happening from the save same or multiple examples from different saves it is highly unlikely to be considered an issue.

The code will simply follow the laws of the game which calls for the final whistle to be blown regardless of the flow of the game, any change from that would be something to raise in the wishlist thread.

Except it doesn't always do it to the second, so clearly it's more complicated than that and does to some extent simulate the referee having discretion. Just because a potential issue is rare doesn't mean it isn't worth raising, especially as with something as complex as the match engine I wouldn't want to say it's definitely has no relevance to any other problems. Again, what if it is indeed programmed not to blow the whistle during a clear-cut chance - as seems likely considering that if it did so often we'd have a lot of complaitns about it? That would suggest that for some reason this shot heading towards the goal wasn't being counted as a chance. This could be a visual issue where the ball is actually going out but appears to be going in, which would possibly have relevance to the bug where the game occasionally shows a penalty being scored when the match engine has decided it isn't. It could also be that it was going in but the code failed to recognise that, which could mean SI's data on CCC numbers is incorrect and has lead to suboptimal balancing decisions, or have a knock-on impact on player ratings and everything they influence. Nobody is saying it's definitely a bug, but it's certainly a strange occurence and I don't see how it happening in an Accrington Stanley match months after the game was released means it should just be ignored.

[Guest]

Trust me on this on this one, it will not be considered as a bug especially as there are now two confirmed real world examples where cameras were at the game.

[themadsheep2001]

There's no such convention so in this case there is no bug to report, turnip is correct that there was an exact example of this happening to Accrington Stanley last month.

This sums it up. You've got one incident in real life, and one in game. Only other thing to do now is watch the PKM. Outside of that, not much wrong with it. Turnip, you can upload the PKM in the bugs thread if you like,but with Barside on this all things being equal

[Danchinaski]

Aye, l saw this happen when Hull played York in 2001. The only highlight in a drab 0-0 was a 30 yard volley into the top corner by Rob Matthews, which was disallowed as the ref blew as the ball was in mid air, en route to the top corner. I was livid at the time.

[Spurs08]

Trust me on this on this one, it will not be considered as a bug especially as there are now two confirmed real world examples where cameras were at the game.

And how many football matches have cameras been at in that time? Every Football League and Premier League match for a start, so over the last decade that's 21,280 times, and in all of those 21,280 games it's happened.... once. If something that happens in literally less than 0.005% of matches pops up in game, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that it might indicate funny goings-on rather than an intended feature. To give some comparison, it happens less often than the ball going into the goal, hitting the back stancheon, rebounding back out very quickly and the goal not being given because the referee and linesperson believe it's gone wide. But if that happened in the game, I'm pretty sure most people would agree it was at the very least a possible bug. If there was no reaction to it afterwards - given that if it's an intentional feature you would expect it to be highly controversial and attract significant media interest - that would be additional evidence something was wrong, and the same should apply here too.

[themadsheep2001]

We've covered this now. OP can upload the PKM if he needs to

[Guest]

We already have three confirmed real life examples in this thread compared to one FM example, it would appear that this is more common in real life than it is perceived to be.

As TMS has said the OP can upload their example but as I've said it's highly unlikely to be considered a bug.

Edit: Knowing the OP I do not believe their intent was to claim this is a bug, it was an old LLM tradition to post when something like this happened so you could get it out or your system & carry on with the save.