player roles - presets of instructions, or something more?

[Tonton_Zola]

Hi there.

Curious one this, and forgive me if it's been covered elsewhere.

Are player roles simply 'editorialised' names for different hard-bundled presets of player instructions?

I.e. is a target man simply a definition of a preset suite which is = dribble less, hold up ball, get further forward (Etc etc)...

Or is 'target man', as the descriptive copy/messaging appears to suggest, something more nuanced? Are there aspects to that role that aren't captured by the parameters of the player instructions?

One particular interest is - does having a striker as a target man, for example, affect the way OTHER players see him? I.e. excluding aim for target man type instructions, is my centre back able to recognise my striker's "target man" role and therefore aim to hit him aerially earlier? Or is a player's role only applicable to their own behaviour and actions?

Re: the point above, if a player role really is a just a 'preset' for player instructions, it would make me look at the roles afresh. Roles that I had discredited because of their verbal descriptions, or which seemed too niche/complex (RaumDeuter), suddenly become interesting. Equally, roles as simple (and crucially, as open in terms of customisability) as Centre Midfielder suddenly become attractive...

thanks.

[HUNT3R]

For the most part, yes. It's a preset of the instructions you mention - some locked in so that you cannot change it as it is vital to the role. The have different individual mentalities etc as well, sort of under the hood, but IIRC you can see a mentality bar for each role.

Target Men have a special function in that the team will look to use them as target men at times.

Playmaker roles will cause the team to try and pass to them more.

The Half Back role drops in between defenders in possession, something that is unique to that role.

You'll see other little unique things, like the False 9 (IMO) dropping deeper in possession than any other forward.

[Tonton_Zola]

oh fascinating - so there are aspects of these roles that are 'under the hood' so to speak?

I kept noticing players banging it long to my targetman, and thought something must be going on here...The role is problematic because, though I like all of the instructions associated with it (they suit my 6' 8'' centre forward perfectly), it changes the way the rest of my team plays. We are actually a Champions league winning passing outfit, but just happen to have been handed a wonderkid target man regen.

[HUNT3R]

oh fascinating - so there are aspects of these roles that are 'under the hood' so to speak?

I kept noticing players banging it long to my targetman, and thought something must be going on here...The role is problematic because, though I like all of the instructions associated with it (they suit my 6' 8'' centre forward perfectly), it changes the way the rest of my team plays. We are actually a Champions league winning passing outfit, but just happen to have been handed a wonderkid target man regen.

Nothing wrong with a DLF/S, assuming you're talking about a TM/S. The role is versatile enough that you can tweak most of it to get a very similar role.

[Tonton_Zola]

HUNT3R do you have any tips for preparing set piece routines given most people's teams will rotate every few weeks? This might mean my 6' 4'' MC is replaced by a 5'3 MC, yet they assume the same roles within the corner routine for example...i'm borderline running out of energy to reconfigure the routines every time I change my team!

I wonder if the corner system would work better with rules? parameters you set for the group?

sorry if i have missed an obvious trick here

[Guest]

You can save routines & then load them in ahead of a match to suit the formation & team selection, this trick is to name them in such a way that you know the differences between each routine & what formation it is designed for.