How to make the most out of my player sales?

[Methos]

Suppose my whole squad is available. how to make the most out of my sales?

Offer for 4x times their value? 3x? 2x? 1.5x?

Any tips?

Not that much bothered about sell on fees, because my players overachieve at my club and are likely to not play that well on other clubs.

So try to avoid your whole post being about sell on fees.

[isignedupfornorealreason]

I forgot, cos I haven't played for a while but I think generally you can go 1.5-2.5 times the value before clubs tell you to jog on. I think it's 1.5... Sometimes you can get clubs willing to seriously overpay but generally if you want a flat fee, a 2 year contract and 1.5x valuation is probably a safe bet. Any more and most clubs will wilt. Any shorter in terms of contract times and the value of the player will drop rather solidly as the initial transfer window draws to a close, and teams will hold out and play hardball with you and pick him up for free later.

[Duncan Greenwood]

It's worth remembering that players that haven't been playing or have been out of form won't be as easy to move on for over their value. There's no real set parameters for moving a player on. If they're in good form you can normally move them on for decent money, if they're young you can sometimes get 3 or 4 times the value for them.

[Guest]

I cant give mine away for free.

[Torminator]

If its a first team member who actually played and plays well I never let him go under 1,5 or 2x his value.

For example, Lukaku (playing well and scored 38 times) was value 45 million and sold him for 80 million to Chelsea.

[Duncan Greenwood]

I cant give mine away for free.

How old/bad are they? What kind of wages are they on? Clubs won't want to sign old or poor players who are already on a wage that is unsustainable for them.

[jezzar]

Well it really all depends on how interested the buyers are.

When I was managing Fenerbahçe, Barcelona really wanted to get their hands on Nani, so I started by opening 3x his value. Ended up selling him for 28 million euros. (His value was 12 million)

[Plachy]

Need more info here. Level of football is huge. I have sold players early game in smaller leagues who are valued at 2 mil at my club to sides for 5 mil and they've instantly rocketed to 10 mil. But it allowed me to purchase 3 players and upgrade my training facilities. That's a good deal for me, but also shows the inherent flaw in player values, did I sell that player for 2.5x his value or 0.5x?

Now I take a more pragmatic approach with the following things in mind:

- How is my club doing financially

- Can I expect to pass FFP this season

- Who do I want to buy

- How much budget do I need to buy those players

- What is the total collective value of players I need to sell to finance those deals

If it's a player who I really think is at the end of their usefulness and I have no real attachment to them (i.e. loaned them out for a couple years and despite performing well just won't fit into my team) I'll look for 1.5x value, and scale it down until around 0.75x if no bids received. If all that fails, I'll loan them out for another year and hope for an increase in value/interest.

If a key player I don't want to sell is being relentlessly pursued and I can't justify keeping them I look for 5x their value. As I'm playing in Wales my top players (around 15 of them) are valued at between 12 and 8 million, if any club wants them they will need to pay between 40 and 60 million. Untouchable players will be valued by me at the World Transfer Record + 10 mil usually, somewhere in the region of 80-90m, occasionally bids have pushed this number close but it's a good repelling strategy.

[FineRedMist]

I'm playing Derby Co. in the Premier League, and I'm firmly in the camp of not being able to sell players at any price. I sold one player, a reasonably talented one but no wonderkid, but every other player I've tried to move has gone completely without offers at any price. Which is, of course, completely foolish. Some club, even in the Championship or League 1, would surely pay something for player who, if he played in a different position, would start for my Premier League team.

[HUNT3R]

I'm playing Derby Co. in the Premier League, and I'm firmly in the camp of not being able to sell players at any price. I sold one player, a reasonably talented one but no wonderkid, but every other player I've tried to move has gone completely without offers at any price. Which is, of course, completely foolish. Some club, even in the Championship or League 1, would surely pay something for player who, if he played in a different position, would start for my Premier League team.

The problem for the Championship and especially League 1 clubs, will be that the player may well not want to drop down a level or 2 to play football. You admit that he's good enough to start for your PL team, so why would he drop down the leagues? He's either going to stay or hoping another PL team wants him.

In the case of the Championship and League 1 clubs, they will have scouted him and will know that he's not interested in moving to them, so that's why you don't get offers from them.

[SideLineBiscuit]

I almost always let my director of football do the job of selling players. I just transferlist them and he will usally find new clubs for my players. often for x2 their value but very seldom for any more than than. unless its a major talent chased by all of europe that is.

[FineRedMist]

The problem for the Championship and especially League 1 clubs, will be that the player may well not want to drop down a level or 2 to play football. You admit that he's good enough to start for your PL team, so why would he drop down the leagues? He's either going to stay or hoping another PL team wants him.

In the case of the Championship and League 1 clubs, they will have scouted him and will know that he's not interested in moving to them, so that's why you don't get offers from them.

And yet they'll whine and whine and threaten to cause trouble if they're not given starts with the first team. But they'd rather stay, accrue loads of blank space on their stat sheet, and whine instead of playing first team football and proving to the PL teams why they should be snapped up? Largely, we're talking about older players without a ton of upside. I guess maybe at that point they're less interested in playing than just getting paid to show up on the training ground until they retire.

[HUNT3R]

And yet they'll whine and whine and threaten to cause trouble if they're not given starts with the first team. But they'd rather stay, accrue loads of blank space on their stat sheet, and whine instead of playing first team football and proving to the PL teams why they should be snapped up? Largely, we're talking about older players without a ton of upside. I guess maybe at that point they're less interested in playing than just getting paid to show up on the training ground until they retire.

This thread is a very good read and gives some understanding as to how and what players and clubs are thinking "under the hood". We as the user should get better/more feedback, similar to what Alex gave us.

http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/418710-Why-so-hard-to-get-rid-of-unwanted-players-MUST-READ-THREAD

[FineRedMist]

Yup. Until then, there will always be dumb new guys like me coming along with the same old tired complaints. Like this one, or the fact that AI teams regularly seem able to tender transfer offers for players that are half of what I can get away with. Frankly, who cares if there's a logical explanation under the hood. If it's not out in the open for players to play with, it's not a meaningful part of the game.

[Guest]

Some additional information is always a plus but what I'd hate to see happen is that every time a user fails to sell a player the game gives them a precise reason why there were no bidders or even a clear hint as to the reason, might as well have the ME team write up code to tell the user why they lost a match if they head down that path because for me it would essentially be the same mechanic.

[wkdsoul]

Some videos on yt turn over high transfers, by offering no money down but high prices after 10 games clause. Not tried it myself but they also used the reverse on players they have no intention of playings listed on low wages to generate cash over a season/window.

[MrPompey]

The reason you want to sell them is likely the reason why no-one wants to buy them

If you simply want to free up salary budget then let them go for free or small amounts. Just because your club "values" them at £x doesn't mean they are worth it.

[xambo]

The best way to get a player being sold with a good price is to play him all season as first team. I know that defeats the purpose that you are selling the player because you don't want to play him.

The AI likes it when players have apps, goals, assists, and mom's. I suggest playing him for a year first team then put him on transfer.

[Guest]

The best way to get a player being sold with a good price is to play him all season as first team. I know that defeats the purpose that you are selling the player because you don't want to play him.

The AI likes it when players have apps, goals, assists, and mom's. I suggest playing him for a year first team then put him on transfer.

A key aspect of this is in identifying who you are likely to want to sell between January & May so that you can generate interest while the player is still an active part of the senior squad, it forms part of a sound transfer strategy with a common failing being the lack of thought that goes into incoming transfers as most people tend to signing a better player just because they have a higher CA/PA without any real thought as to whether they need the new player or have/can create space for them.

Like match tactics if you get one element wrong then being successful in all aspects of the transfer market will prove to be difficult which is exactly how it should be.

[LEEMOD]

Fantastic point Barside, I used to be one of those but with the huge help of Guido Merry & RT Herringbone I now hardly ever have a squad of other 30 players for a few reasons:

1. Allows to monitor development more closely

2. I sort my team out by 'mins played' - such a great way of managing who gets what game time

3. Because players are getting game time it means morale is good

4. The transitions of mentoring periods are so easy to manage too

It really works, sometimes less is more.