Jean0987654321 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 On February 14, 2011, Lucien Favre had one job: to keep Gladbach up. The Foals were bottom with only 16 points and needed 7 points to get out of relegation. They stuggled but were able to stay in the Bundesliga by beating Bochum in the relegation playoffs. The year after, Favre lead the Foals to fourth place, securing a Champions League spot. The year after that, they didn't qualify for the Europa League stuggling to replace their sold players (eg. Reus) and settling for 8th. And then the year after that, they finished 3rd in the league. And then this year, they stuggled again...you know the rest Favre stepped down after a string of bad results. Lucien Favre tactics are very similar to his mentor Jupp Heynckes, who also had his tactics influenced by Arrigo Sacchi. His players plays compact and close to each other. Pressing begins from front to back but instead of a full court press, Favre likes his players to press side-to-side. http://theinsidechannel.com/lucien-favres-tactics-at-borussia-monchengladbach/ Take a look at this article. Against Bayern, the Foals were a menance in defense. Pep's tiki-taka was negated by the Foals pressing game. Paths were blocked and Bayern only had safer passing options available to them. And so, how do we emulate this in FM?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean0987654321 Posted July 9, 2016 Author Share Posted July 9, 2016 I went with a classic 442 formation. The Foals were a counterattacking side. When they are not on the counter, they play a possession game. They never play a high line and are usually camped in their own area sitting deep and absorbing pressure. Just like Jupp and Sacchi, Favre likes to side to be compact. Also, he is not afraid to let the players express themselves a bit on the attack. TIs Pass Into Space The Foals had a ton of players good on the ball and not afraid of nicking out a through ball. Play Out of Defense The Foals did not have a lot of players that can play hoof ball and much of the play was through the ground. Like the late great Brian Clough once said, "If God wanted us to play football in the sky, he would've put grass there." Higher Tempo The Foals played some great soccer. Much of the play was high tempoed. Whipped Crosses Players had a lot of pace so they could get on the end of crosses Play Narrower Once again, the players were close to each other and compact. Close Down More/Tighter Marking/Prevent Short GK Distribution Favre didn't play a full court press. Much of the pressing was side to side with all of the team contributing to the press. PIs Ter Stegen was a diet-Neuer. A Sweeper keeper who has great ball distribution. x 2 Both of the Foals central defenders were good on the ball. They were not required to do much but be the last line of defense for Foals unless thy name was Dante, who was a sledgehammer when he played for them x 2 Unlike the Atleti fullbacks, both fullbacks at Gladbach are more defensively disciplined in attack. x2 Now, this is a tough one. I don't want too many playmakers in midfield. It could be argued that the widemen were playmakers but you could also argue that for the middlemen. Favre likes to have two deep playmakers who Dictates the Tempo of the game but can nick a through ball. This role emulates the Raffeal role. He is usually the man who tracks back and hassles the DM like he did against Bayern. And finally, this role emulates Stindl. He usually likes to hassle the defenders in order to prevent them from distributing out from the back properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean0987654321 Posted July 9, 2016 Author Share Posted July 9, 2016 Here is some results. Take a look at my team against Atleti in the first leg of the CL quarterfinals And once again we see the side to side pressing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJanitor Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Great one! I was intrigued if Favre's Gladbach's style of deep pressing is creatable in the ME and its great to see you are getting good results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean0987654321 Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 A mini-update. Season is over and I have just won the EPL Title and got Manchester United to the CL Semis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rashidi Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Your tactic is like a giant spring :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean0987654321 Posted July 12, 2016 Author Share Posted July 12, 2016 Your tactic is like a giant spring :-) I assume this is a good thing?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pocketspace Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 You probably adapted the tactic to your squad but as far as I know, the fullbacks do not venture up the field too often. My interpretation on Favre's tactics (Arango and Reus era) would be: Mentality: Counter or maybe Standard Team Shape: I think Fluid could work better. GK (D) FB (S), CB (D), CB (D), FB (S), WM (A), DLP/B2B (S), CM (D), WP (S/A), F9 (S), DF (S). TI: Close Down More, Stick to positions, More disciplined, Higher Tempo, Pass into Space and Narrow, possibly removing one or two TIs as I don't like to over-complicate it. Of course, in practice it might change. I am not very good with Counter-Attacking tactics to be completely honest, but that's how I thought. It is similar to Simeone's 4-4-2, but some tweaks like Herrmann is more like a winger and posseses great pace, Arango (LM) was the man to provide great passes, Reus was the main goalscorer and he was dropping deep to get the ball while Hanke was often harrasing the defenders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean0987654321 Posted July 14, 2016 Author Share Posted July 14, 2016 The fullbacks did go forward...just not as much as the fullbacks you see at AM. I'm still thinking WB (s). FB (s) might be too conservative going forward... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigBoss Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Is anyone else finding themselves conceding a few with this tactic ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean0987654321 Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share Posted July 19, 2016 Is anyone else finding themselves conceding a few with this tactic ? This is not plug n play, man. If you are looking for a magic bean, you came to the wrong place... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rashidi Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 I assume this is a good thing?? Yes :-), it can be Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigBoss Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 This is not plug n play, man. If you are looking for a magic bean, you came to the wrong place... Who said anything about a plug and play or magic bean I was simply asking a question, that's what these forums are for right ? Anyway I like the tactic I've had success using it just feel I concede a fair bit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pocketspace Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Who said anything about a plug and play or magic bean I was simply asking a question, that's what these forums are for right ? Anyway I like the tactic I've had success using it just feel I concede a fair bit What team are you playing as? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigBoss Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 What team are you playing as? I'm Everton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean0987654321 Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share Posted July 19, 2016 I'm Everton Gonna need a bit more than that. What is your squad?? IMO, Everton's default squad in FM is not good for this type of style so you may need to rebuild the team like I did with United... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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