4-3-1-2 Formation

[vandamme22]

Hi

Is there a good thread about the 4-3-1-2 formation? I think its hard to have success in fm 16 with a narrow formation like that.

thx!

[tmason122]

I wrote a little about mine in this thread. It's been quite successful for me, but I've only used it a limited few times due to injuries and such things. However it seems defensively compact and also quite strong upfront. You might want to consider changing the dual RPMs though if you don't have the players to do it, perhaps a BBM is a better option. 

 

[vandamme22]

Thx

Could you make a short review of my tactical set up (roles, duties, ti etc.). I am heavily struggling with juventus in the competitions, 

Concede a lot of goals and have problem with creating good goal chances.

I ve decided to play a possession and pressing style, because of the narrow formation.

here are some details:

[summatsupeer]

Need more information that just "concede + not creating changes".  

How are you conceding goals?  Counter attacks? Crosses? Passing moves through the middle? Players getting beat 1v1?

How do you typically lose possession?  Are your player just taking pot shots or flinging cross after cross into the box?  Did they have any other options?  If not why not?  That might give you more of an idea if you need to change tempo/mentality/roles/duties etc.

I think pressing with AMC + 2xST is a good idea, but with 3xCM your trying to dominate the center of the field, but they press out to the flanks and upfield so get can dragged apart.  You already have 3 players in front of him, do you need a BWM to go pressing to?  If you see this happening, particularly to your DLP I would try using PI's to keep the DLP in the center of the field in front of your DCs.  Apart from that I think we need more information.

[vandamme22]

Right:

3 hours ago, summatsupeer said:

Need more information that just "concede + not creating changes".  

How are you conceding goals?  Counter attacks? Crosses? Passing moves through the middle? Players getting beat 1v1?

Conceding a lot of goals was a little bit exaggerated. Goal typs are different, most was some terrible mistakes of my central defenders like short passing back to my gk. Main problem is here that the opponent teams have 1 or 2 shots on target and score. Sometimes a long shot, free kick or a mistake by myself.

How do you typically lose possession?  Are your player just taking pot shots or flinging cross after cross into the box?  Did they have any other options?  If not why not?  That might give you more of an idea if you need to change tempo/mentality/roles/duties etc.

Most time my players are taking poore shots out of the box or from byline. 

I think pressing with AMC + 2xST is a good idea, but with 3xCM your trying to dominate the center of the field, but they press out to the flanks and upfield so get can dragged apart.  You already have 3 players in front of him, do you need a BWM to go pressing to?  If you see this happening, particularly to your DLP I would try using PI's to keep the DLP in the center of the field in front of your DCs.  Apart from that I think we need more information.

Didnt notice that, but I have the rewatch the games. How would you set up the roles and duties to get more balance?

I added some pic of games, which I have dominated but struggled to create ccc or good chances. Many shots are off target.

[summatsupeer]

Stats and analytics only tell you what happened, you need to watch the actual game footage to see why it happened.

If the mistake is purely the players fault, meaning you haven't put them in a poor situation, I would expect players of that quality to improve and cut out the mistakes.  Free Kicks can't do much unless your giving away to many fouls in range of shots.

Watch the shots they take and see if they were isolated, did they have an available runner to play through or did they have available support to play a simple pass to?  Do those players taking those long shots have the PPM so try it more often than they should?  Try adding "Shoot Less Often" PI.  If they didn't have other options then there's any number of things you might change.

[Larsson1888]

Check Bust the net on youtube. Some great videos.

[tmason122]

Looking at your tactics I would consider a couple of changes....

I would consider changing the FBs to attack mode, or even WB attack (from the FB position). These are the only naturally wide players you have in your team so it is probably helpful for them to get forward and give your team a few more options when moving forward.

Like others said, I would probably consider changing the BWM to another role, perhaps a CM? The BWM will run over the place, maybe you don't want to lose that much shape? 

The stats are useful, and can you help you identify your problems, but watching the games will give your further detail.

When I look at your stats I interpret  them as something like this:

Although you are getting a lot of shots away, way over 50% don't test the opposition goalkeeper. This is obviously a problem. I wonder if your buildup play is too slow and predictable as you are not making many (in one game none) clear cut chances, giving your forwards scraps to live off. This is meaning your strikers don't have many good chances to take shots, hence probably the low rate of shots on target. 

Although you're dominating possession, and have a high pass completion rate, I suspect this is because your players are not being too risky or creative with the chances they are creating , it seems they are playing more of a meaningless tika-taka.

I would recommend on encouraging your FBs further forward, to give you more width when you attack. I would also consider changing your setup a bit , to encourage players to perhaps be a bit more expressive, in order to create a few more CCCs, as well as perhaps avoiding  playing out of the back for the time being.