permanentquandary Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 How do I get past the bus? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 You'd need to elaborate, starting with the sort of things you've tried so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
permanentquandary Posted September 4, 2016 Author Share Posted September 4, 2016 5 hours ago, RTHerringbone said: You'd need to elaborate, starting with the sort of things you've tried so far. I don't use any shouts and I don't even use an aggressive mentality. I just can't break through bang average sides And what seems to happen is they get a goal from a corner or the only chance of the game for them, not even on the counter, and then they win. 0-0's and 0-1's against the likes of Burnley ffs!!! What sort of shouts can I use to reliably open up a defence? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Roles, Duties, Mentality, Team Shape, Formation(s)? It's more than just adding / removing Team Instructions to unlock an opposition defence, you need players stretching defences and creating space, so your combinations of Roles and Duties are critical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
permanentquandary Posted September 4, 2016 Author Share Posted September 4, 2016 this is my main tactic which i developed in the other thread "ibra can't score". i have had a fair few games where it's been really successful, like 5-0 successful, but it's not consistent at all. i was using a Trequartista tho for those good games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
permanentquandary Posted September 4, 2016 Author Share Posted September 4, 2016 It seems I try everything if this isn't working... I try stuff like play wider, more roaming, more expressive, i add attack duties, i try to play counter attack and make them come to me, or i frustratingly click on attacking/overload... it doesn't work!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summatsupeer Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 There's no "do X and win". Its the total package that matters. If you've "tried everything" then I'm going to say your just randomly changing things without proper analysis. I think your being too conservative, Standard mentality + Structured team shape with 4 very limited defend roles is leaving a lot of work for the rest of the team to provide the width, support, penetration etc. I'm using a double pivot system and its benefit is allowing both fullbacks to get forward to provide width and to use two inside forwards. Having a more conservative fullback behind the winger makes sense, FB-S would be enough with a DLP-S who will typically be behind the ball so should cover for each other. If you want to keep a defensive FB i'd switch to a single pivot system such as 4123 DM Wide with a role like CM-S who links the defense to midfield but will also make runs and get in to the opposition box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
permanentquandary Posted September 4, 2016 Author Share Posted September 4, 2016 On the plus side I have a 4-4-2 that works pretty good. Just smashed Leicester 4-0. And Ibra is scoring!!! Don't mind the injury crisis - got plenty of young'ns who will get a look in! Hodge got an assist by taking the free kick as soon as he come off the bench for Smalling to nod in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 43 minutes ago, permanentquandary said: this is my main tactic which i developed in the other thread "ibra can't score". i have had a fair few games where it's been really successful, like 5-0 successful, but it's not consistent at all. i was using a Trequartista tho for those good games The problem with defensive teams as you've identified is that they are organised & keep their shape well at the back. As Man Utd you are going to face this problem a fair amount from mid-table & lower prem teams particularly when you are at home. The trick in these games is to score first and get the lead as that changes the match. Once behind the defensive opposition will take more risks and push out more leaving you more space to attack. To do that you need to drag the defence around which means you need movement between the lines which the above formation doesn't give you. Up front you have a CF(a) who is looking to get behind a deep defence giving the opposition defenders a fairly easy ride, at AMC you have a AP(a) which while having movement it will all be in front of the defenders. On an attack duty he is looking for those killer balls behind the defence but there is limited space & only the CF(a) looking for that limited space. Out wide you have a supporting IF & winger who both look for the ball into them in front of the defence. Of the back six only the WBL is making any sort of forward run resulting in a very static tactic where players are standing around. Overall its one dimensional and you aren't testing defensive teams who sit back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
permanentquandary Posted September 4, 2016 Author Share Posted September 4, 2016 1 minute ago, Cougar2010 said: The problem with defensive teams as you've identified is that they are organised & keep their shape well at the back. As Man Utd you are going to face this problem a fair amount from mid-table & lower prem teams particularly when you are at home. The trick in these games is to score first and get the lead as that changes the match. Once behind the defensive opposition will take more risks and push out more leaving you more space to attack. To do that you need to drag the defence around which means you need movement between the lines which the above formation doesn't give you. Up front you have a CF(a) who is looking to get behind a deep defence giving the opposition defenders a fairly easy ride, at AMC you have a AP(a) which while having movement it will all be in front of the defenders. On an attack duty he is looking for those killer balls behind the defence but there is limited space & only the CF(a) looking for that limited space. Out wide you have a supporting IF & winger who both look for the ball into them in front of the defence. Of the back six only the WBL is making any sort of forward run resulting in a very static tactic where players are standing around. Overall its one dimensional and you aren't testing defensive teams who sit back. Cool advice. What do you suggest? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 1 minute ago, permanentquandary said: Cool advice. What do you suggest? Depends what you want to do, you need to create movement. For me I would always go for a supporting lone ST but thats personal choice. At least one of the two wide players needs to be on attack duty to look to get beyond the defence, possibly both if you change the ST to support & keep a playmaker at AMC. Behind you need the six at the back to be contributing more. You can either keep the core four at DM/DC & look for the fullbacks to contribute more in attack or you look for more forward runs from one of the DMs. Typically if you play with two DMs you would give your fullbacks licence to get forward and support the attacks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summatsupeer Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 6 minutes ago, permanentquandary said: Cool advice. What do you suggest? What do you think? Do you see what Cougar2010 said happening in game? Did you see my post in between all of yours? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyballs Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 You also need players that have the attributes that can unlock/expose a deep defending team. Such as long shots, crossing/jumping/heading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
permanentquandary Posted September 4, 2016 Author Share Posted September 4, 2016 33 minutes ago, Tyballs said: You also need players that have the attributes that can unlock/expose a deep defending team. Such as long shots, crossing/jumping/heading. I think with Willian Gaitan Pereyra Zlatan and Fellaini we definitely have that covered Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
permanentquandary Posted September 4, 2016 Author Share Posted September 4, 2016 OK guys i took everything you said on board and came up with this. tell me what u think of the changes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianscousemac Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 I suffer from this a lot more in the version than in previous versions. I'm glad too. Defending is a lot more stronger in fm 16 than fm 15. One of the hardest things in football, and most managers agree, is breaking down well disciplined defensive teams that keep 10 men behind the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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