Llainen Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Please let SI see this, this is about Fc Vaduz a club from Liechtenstein who is a "guest" club in the top division in Switzerland ( Just as swansea, Cardiff etc is a guest club in England.) In real life Vaduz and 6 other clubs (there are 7 clubs in Liechtenstein) are playing in the swiss leagues and every year they play Liechsteiner Cup witch decides what club will be playing in the Europa league, winner makes it to 1 qualifying round in the EL. Since Liechtenstein dont have they're own league the only way they can reach Champion league is by winning europe league or the Swiss/Suiss top division. BUT on FM16 if you win the Europe league/ or the Swiss league the only thing that happens is that you enter 1 round of qualifying for europe league....Please fix this for FM17. I tweeted Miles Jacobson and he asked me to post this on the forum, please let them know, thank you. Sorry for my english. Here is some more info: The difference between Vaduz and the aforementioned clubs is that its status is as a 'guest club' in Switzerland, and as such does not participate in the Swiss Cup and can not represent Switzerland internationally, which makes Champions League qualification from league football impossible by other means than winning Europa League or Champions League itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurs08 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 As your quote says - it should be impossible for them to qualify by winning the Swiss League. However, they should be able to qualify by winning either the Europa League or Champions League and hopefully that'll be fixed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llainen Posted September 10, 2016 Author Share Posted September 10, 2016 Yes thats correct:) im new on this forum and i dont know how often SI are looking here or are replying but i really hope the will se this post and respond and fix it:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Vaduz cannot qualify by winning the Swiss top division, as for winning the Europa League there is noting in the publicly available rules to say that a Lichtenstein club does not get a Champions League place should they somehow win the Europa League, tbh I'm not sure that anyone has ever posted an example of them winning the Europa League with FC Vaduz so if you have a save where you've won the competition & do not get the Champions League spot then please do start a thread in the bugs forum, details on where to upload a copy of the save can be found in the bug forum headers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maaka Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 It should be fairly easy to try, just start a save where Vaduz is edited to be a great, great team, then you should have a good chance to actually win the EL, and thus see if you're qualified for the CL or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriktous Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 4 hours ago, Barside said: tbh I'm not sure that anyone has ever posted an example of them winning the Europa League with FC Vaduz It has been discussed in the Swiss data issues thread, as well as in a couple of others (usually on FM15, but I get the feeling the coding hasn't changed for FM16). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llainen Posted September 11, 2016 Author Share Posted September 11, 2016 There have been people winning the EL and not getting CL.... SI cant just ignore a whole football club/nation. i se some moderators are saying that it will never happen in real life that vaduz winning the EL and blabla but that has nothing to say, right should be right! It cant be any problem to fix this major issue!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurs08 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Lot's of people have said it's happened. Nobody as far as I'm aware has posted in the bugs forum with an example and a savegame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameuss Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 6 minutes ago, Llainen said: There have been people winning the EL and not getting CL.... SI cant just ignore a whole football club/nation. i se some moderators are saying that it will never happen in real life that vaduz winning the EL and blabla but that has nothing to say, right should be right! It cant be any problem to fix this major issue!!! It's not a "major issue" though. Someone who has a right in the rules to qualify for the Champions League not qualifying would be an issue, and if that's happening then it should be fixed. Vaduz is a completely different thing though. As the current rules say, they cannot qualify for the Champions League. At the moment they've only said that's via their league position. The Europa League is a very new rule, but even then I doubt UEFA are going to come out and say either way whether Vaduz would be allowed in should they win the Europa League. Why would they? So to SI's position on it. It's really a choice for them whether they should code this to be allowed. There isn't a "bug" there, it sounds like a conscious choice for them. And it's easy to see why they've done that. Or perhaps it's just too much work to have Vaduz hard-coded not to qualify via the Swiss leagues (as per the actual rules) but still be able to qualify via the Europa League. But it isn't a bug. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 17 minutes ago, Llainen said: There have been people winning the EL and not getting CL.... SI cant just ignore a whole football club/nation. i se some moderators are saying that it will never happen in real life that vaduz winning the EL and blabla but that has nothing to say, right should be right! It cant be any problem to fix this major issue!!! To be fair to Kubi I think he's posting more as a Swiss national than as a moderator in those threads, as for "It can't be a problem..", if it was a simple line of code SI will have included to FM16 which was the first release after the real life rule change, until we get our hands on FM17 we wil not know if SI have been able to address whatever coding issues prevented them from being able to have qualification exactly as some think it will be irl. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maw74 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Can't really class it as a bug as we don't know what would happen if Vaduz won the Europa League. The only way we will know for sure is if UEFA were to come out and say or it happens irl, the latter is not going to happen anytime soon though, they are hardly gonna win the Europa League if they are not even good enough to win the Swiss league, UEFA don't really need to say anything though because well it's not an issue that needs dealing with at this current time. Having said that it would be good if SI could make it possible because it would make for a good game/challenge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurs08 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 It obviously is a bug. The rules say the winner of the Europa League goes into the Champions League, period. Not "they qualify unless they're Vaduz, in which case who knows". Vaduz aren't banned from the UCL, they just can't qualify as they're from Liechienstein, an association with no league and only a cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUBI Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 I have two different views on this. You can say it's a bug, because it should be possible if it happens. My other view is, should it really happen in the most realistic football managment simulation? I would rather prefer a gameplay that makes it next to impossible to win the Euro League with clubs like Vaduz. Just because it is unrealistic - unless Vaduz would be bought by a tycoon, which is another unrealistic thing. My preference would be to make it a lot harder to manage small clubs and make them big. A realistic career for a manager is to start with a small club and leave it for a better opportunity, instead of managing a small club into the champions league in 20 seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheriff7 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 But SI must give as the possibility to play in the Champions League with FC Vaduz even with the hard way (Europa League victory ) ... I agree with you to make it more difficult to get a small team at the top .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurs08 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 3 hours ago, KUBI said: I have two different views on this. You can say it's a bug, because it should be possible if it happens. My other view is, should it really happen in the most realistic football managment simulation? I would rather prefer a gameplay that makes it next to impossible to win the Euro League with clubs like Vaduz. Just because it is unrealistic - unless Vaduz would be bought by a tycoon, which is another unrealistic thing. My preference would be to make it a lot harder to manage small clubs and make them big. A realistic career for a manager is to start with a small club and leave it for a better opportunity, instead of managing a small club into the champions league in 20 seasons. I agree with you, but it's clearly not an either-or thing. SI can make it much harder for this to happen, whilst still fixing the bug in the offchance it does (remembering that each year there are untold millions of seasons simulated on FM, so you'd expect even the most unlikely of situations to happen occasionally even without human interference or if the game was perfectly balanced and realistic). That being said, I don't see why Vaduz winning the Europa League is so impossible. They're in the Swiss League which is perfectly decent, and their catchment area is effectively the entirety of Liechienstein which is the same as Switzerland's 13th biggest city. It's be tough and somewhat unlikely, but they could with astute management become one of the best clubs in the league one day. At that stage, they'd have an equal chance to the likes of Young Boys and FC Basel - teams who I'd say do have an outside chance in the Europa. It's not the most unrealistic thing that happens in FM and certainly isn't comparable to FC Nowheresville, population a man and his dog rising through the English leagues to world domination (which is unfortunately very possible in the game right now). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted September 12, 2016 Administrators Share Posted September 12, 2016 It's just a bug. Raise it in the relevant place and we can look into it and make sure something is in place for the eventuality. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maw74 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 16 hours ago, Maw74 said: Can't really class it as a bug. 34 minutes ago, Neil Brock said: It's just a bug. Raise it in the relevant place and we can look into it and make sure something is in place for the eventuality. Cheers. Ok yes we can then. So it turns out that this could have been sorted much sooner and maybe already fixed if only those who managed to win Europa League with Vaduz had reported it in bug section. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheriff7 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 4 hours ago, Neil Brock said: It's just a bug. Raise it in the relevant place and we can look into it and make sure something is in place for the eventuality. Cheers. Already reported.... [switzerland] (official) league specific issues Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llainen Posted September 14, 2016 Author Share Posted September 14, 2016 On 12.9.2016 at 16:52, Sheriff7 said: Already reported.... [switzerland] (official) league specific issues Have you reported it in Sheriff7? I really hope they can fix this to fm17. Its really fun and challenging to make Vaduz and the LIE national team competative in both the swiss league and Europe! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ropotas Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 On 11/9/2016 at 19:51, Spurs08 said: Lot's of people have said it's happened. Nobody as far as I'm aware has posted in the bugs forum with an example and a savegame. Here see... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 To investigate SI will need a save before the Europa League final, if you have one please do post in the bugs forum & upload a copy to their ftp server. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ropotas Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 5 hours ago, Barside said: To investigate SI will need a save before the Europa League final, if you have one please do post in the bugs forum & upload a copy to their ftp server. Liechtensteiner final is just 6 days before Euro cup final..I have already post a bug with pictures in bug forum the name is "Vaduz Bug pictures"...When you say "upload a copy before final" you mean to upload pictures before final game to forum or something else?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 SI will need a copy of the save game file. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameuss Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 1 hour ago, Ropotas said: Liechtensteiner final is just 6 days before Euro cup final..I have already post a bug with pictures in bug forum the name is "Vaduz Bug pictures"...When you say "upload a copy before final" you mean to upload pictures before final game to forum or something else?? Pictures mean absolutely nothing in terms of bug fixes. All it tells them is that something happened. They need the save file so they can plug it in to their own systems and work out exactly why it happened, and ultimately fix it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ropotas Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 2 hours ago, Barside said: SI will need a copy of the save game file. If I understood well you and forameuss say to upload my save(before Europa league final) to ftp.sigames.com??Sould i write something else there??Already report it as bug so i think they need only my save... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Appreciate the the time you're taking to help with this issue, once a copy of the save file is uploaded to the ftp server you just need to post in the Switzerland league issues thread with the filename. I think you know whee & how to upload files but just in case you do not here is a link to the instructions- Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ropotas Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 5 hours ago, Barside said: Appreciate the the time you're taking to help with this issue, once a copy of the save file is uploaded to the ftp server you just need to post in the Switzerland league issues thread with the filename. I think you know whee & how to upload files but just in case you do not here is a link to the instructions- THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP!! I DID EVERYTHING YOU TOLD ME... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llainen Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 Nice work Ropotas!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenzar Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 While we're on this topic, what happens if one of the U21 sides wins the Leichtenstein Cup? Do they get into Europe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ropotas Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 2 hours ago, Lenzar said: While we're on this topic, what happens if one of the U21 sides wins the Leichtenstein Cup? Do they get into Europe? Yes if U21 wins it they play to Europa league..I remember once i played in final with my U21 and i won them in penalty shootout!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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