chocolatecoatedballs Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 It is to English (albeit an English game). - How is direct football effective in the real world? (I am not talking reactive football, ie; counter attacking, especially Italian football) yet long ball play is highly overrated in FM, FIFA studies showed that direct play (long ball) equated to national team losses. If you have a team of hard men, it can work, but it won't win you anywhere near a title. Physicals are also overrated, Iniesta or Pirlo I would guess didn't have an abundance of physical ability? They weren't to bad a players, but not hopeless. How are we to effect this Meaning the second video, don.t know why the first keeps coming up. how are we meant to make this happen i FM? so I could list.s down to abilities and scouting which seem an enigma, but it's not what I want to focus on. I want more options as a manager and none of this English football ****, at least give us more continental options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocolatecoatedballs Posted September 16, 2016 Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 The other thing is relative biased Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 If you want a post to be taken seriously or to stand a chance on the forums... try and not to use outdated generalities such as calling the long ball game 'english ****' .. and while you're at it , stop swearing on the forums.. I can't think of any team in the english top two divisions who play the style you are suggesting as a main style of play. I also happen to think your theory is wrong btw, I have never used a long ball game in fm and have had all the success in the world... all styles seem to suit if you get them right... just like in real football tbh... Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocolatecoatedballs Posted September 16, 2016 Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 Sorry about swearing. The championship is terrible tactically, long ball presides. How is the English national team going? Do you suggest that English football doesn't value physical ability above technical ability? They import their technical and/or creative players, that is what is wrong with this game, (let alone the tactical side) the English FA is indentured and SI is still buying them and living in the 90's. Direct tactic is OP, to suite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedrosantos Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Although some player roles are hard or impossible to reproduce and one or two need improvement, you can play any style of football in FM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocolatecoatedballs Posted September 16, 2016 Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 You had to get Klopp and Guardiola, yet we can't even adapt their game play, because wide players tuck in to much, because that's the English way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocolatecoatedballs Posted September 16, 2016 Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 13 minutes ago, pedrosantos said: Although some player roles are hard or impossible to reproduce and one or two need improvement, you can play any style of football in FM. No, how do you get an AMR/L to stay wide? don't tell me to play them as ML/R, because they don't play as aggressive. pluss how do you value a long ball forward? it is OP. Ingolstadt probably played long ball tactics in a high valued competition, got them clear of relegation, but you could not say they were close to champions for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 9 minutes ago, chocolatecoatedballs said: You had to get Klopp and Guardiola, yet we can't even adapt their game play, because wide players tuck in to much, because that's the English way. Make your mind up as to whether you want to talk about RL football or FM and stop mixing them. The idea that direct play is OP is complete & utter rubbish, I lean towards a possession based passing style most of the time and it works just fine on the last few versions of FM. Sure sometimes you might need to go more direct depending on the opposition tactical choices but that is very team dependant. Your comments on AMRL are a better discussion to have as 41221 is a formation I've reverted to in my current save after using is back on FM9/10 before it became one of the cool formations to use. Currently I have a MR/AMR classical winger who is strongly right footed with a W(a) role & duty and yet for some reason he floats a long way infield, much more than others wingers I've used in FM16. I have a feeling he is such a classical winger that the opposition are making use of the OIs and showing him infield all the time onto his weak foot as I can't see any other logical reason. The only other option I haven't yet tried is training him with the hugs line PPM. It does work to some extent though as with a supporting DLF up front my winger attacks the channel between DC & DL making use of the space my forward creates by dropping off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocolatecoatedballs Posted September 16, 2016 Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 I thought this was a simulation? So I use real life examples. Read in depth FifA long ball analysis. http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/01/62/51/72/fifa_ar10-72dpi_e.pdf http://psbd.pau.edu.tr/article/view/1062000112/1062000058 if not, go by your own instincts Yes a MR/AMR and a RB are OP, but you don't tell me how to implement the tactics above. The paragraph after is a gamey solution, not a tactical one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocolatecoatedballs Posted September 16, 2016 Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 That is the thing, it's a gamey solution to win, but I can't even loose playing how I would like to Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herne79 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 If you are having problems playing in the style that you would like to, try posting your detail tactical set up in the Tactics form and someone will probably be able to help you. I can't remember the last time someone posted about this "English style" there, so I'm sure someone will be able to point you in the right direction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 19 minutes ago, chocolatecoatedballs said: I thought this was a simulation? So I use real life examples. Read in depth FifA long ball analysis. http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/01/62/51/72/fifa_ar10-72dpi_e.pdf if not, go by your own instincts Yes a MR/AMR and a RB are OP, but you don't tell me how to implement the tactics above. The paragraph after is a gamey solution, not a tactical one. Sorry but what has that got to do with the thread? You seem to be bouncing around making random statements with no point to them. I never mentioned a DR at all and I wasn't suggesting a solution. I was discussing a tactical issue I was having which was relevant to one of your random posts. I stated why I thought it was happening (Opposition tactics) and a potential way I hadn't yet tried to improve my tactical issue. Nothing gamey about it at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocolatecoatedballs Posted September 16, 2016 Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 HAHA, I am not having problems winning, because I have learnt the game and problem solved. Maybe it is the game, versus tactics in RL? Maybe I am going a bit far calling it an English thing, it's just that it is an English game and I see parallels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocolatecoatedballs Posted September 16, 2016 Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 7 minutes ago, Cougar2010 said: Sorry but what has that got to do with the thread? You seem to be bouncing around making random statements with no point to them. I never mentioned a DR at all and I wasn't suggesting a solution. I was discussing a tactical issue I was having which was relevant to one of your random posts. I stated why I thought it was happening (Opposition tactics) and a potential way I hadn't yet tried to improve my tactical issue. Nothing gamey about it at all. sorry but it is gamey and not tactical, how can I make an AMR/L play wide? to fit the above video, it can't be done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Just now, chocolatecoatedballs said: sorry but it is gamey and not tactical, how can I make an AMR/L play wide? What is gamey? Training a player in a PPM? Sorry but if thats your opinion there is no point continuing the conversation, enjoy your save. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocolatecoatedballs Posted September 16, 2016 Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 Just now, Cougar2010 said: What is gamey? Training a player in a PPM? Sorry but if thats your opinion there is no point continuing the conversation, enjoy your save. really, that is your answer, yes probably best to end it, as you don;t want any discussion, probably goes against your angst, sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herne79 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, chocolatecoatedballs said: HAHA, I am not having problems winning, because I have learnt the game and problem solved. Maybe it is the game, versus tactics in RL? Maybe I am going a bit far calling it an English thing, it's just that it is an English game and I see parallels. I didn't say "if you are having problems winning". I said "if you are having problems playing in the style that you would like to", which you clearly are and thus you haven't "learnt the game" at all - all you've done is found a style of football that you have found sufficient to win matches. It's perfectly feasible to be successful in what you may term as "non-English" styles as well. You know where the Tactics forum is if you want help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocolatecoatedballs Posted September 16, 2016 Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 30 minutes ago, herne79 said: I didn't say "if you are having problems winning". I said "if you are having problems playing in the style that you would like to", which you clearly are and thus you haven't "learnt the game" at all - all you've done is found a style of football that you have found sufficient to win matches. It's perfectly feasible to be successful in what you may term as "non-English" styles as well. You know where the Tactics forum is if you want help. well shall we crack on then, another dislike is that the midfield battles don't happen. Everything happens at either end of the pitch, I have seen countless times a winger or midfielder dribble 2/3 of a pitch before a tackle ensues, which is another problem, but not related. Yes and no is the answer to your postulation, that I have problems with my style. I play a possession based game, in the formation I like, but the players do not play as I like and I don't think it is possible to get hem to. Because English football drives it, but english football is in the dark ages Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 As Herne says.. there is a forum section to discuss tactics.. and an off topic forum to discuss real life football.. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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