Regen Strikers With Both High Flair and Technique

[ermant]

Hi all,

I always teach my strikers to place shots and through my experience, i see that it is mostly related with technique and flair attributes. The problem is, in this year's game, i tried hard to find quality "regens" with both high flair and technique 15 and above. Some have low flair and high technique and some have low technique and high flair. Players who have both were not world class players. I have too many world class regen strikers with nice physical, technical and mental attributes but they are all shooting with power and fail ppm trainings which i think related to those two attributes flair and technique.

Not a big deal but i observed something like this in FM2016. It was not that hard for me in the previous versions. Maybe it is just bad luck of me this year.

[noikeee]

I have found, and statistically proved, a few similar inbalances but in other positions. If I find some time and patience I'll investigate this as well and will report back.

[ermant]

Thank you noikeee.

Of course you will find some regens but i think you got the point about what i mean: Top class strikers who meet the requirements to play in the best clubs.

[jeesh]

I find the regent rating system a bit flawed. The regents produced have attribute patterns which often dont match real players, or real life logic. 

There are so many midfielders for example with outstanding stats suited for Box to Box in every area except work rate. Or diminutive forwards with great heading ability. Very hard to get good regens whose stat would reflect attributes similar to players in real life.

Hope its sth SI has addressed in FM 17 

[enigmatic]

Midfielders with outstanding ability for Box to Box in every area except work rate do exist, and they get even lazier if you don't buy them a birthday cake :-)

Can't say I'd noticed that one tbh. On the other hand, having managed England U21s for a while the proportion of better young strikers with low technique (and the lack of improvement in technique compared with other attributes) is pretty noticeable (a side effect is that quick, good finishers are surprisingly common).

If @noikeee has the time and patience to do as good a job of number crunching as he did for fullbacks I'd also be interested to see:

(i) one footed players in 2015 vs 2035, particularly high ability FCs and MC/AMCs. I suspect there are a lot more than IRL (where footedness is perhaps a little more closely associated with technical ability, and players whose weaker foot is just for standing on are perhaps more likely to be moved wide where they get a bit more space to be able to choose which foot to play the ball with) but it's possible I just notice them more since one-footed players tend to have better attributes in other areas than reports on their ability would suggest

(iii) central defenders, particularly high-ability, one-position-only specialist central defenders with poor Jumping. Something you mentioned and I'm almost sure will have clear patterns in the stats. IRL they tend to get converted to be fullbacks or DMs...

(ii) top-division but not world class defenders with good technique and passing (world class regen defenders tend to be technically OK and second tier defenders tend to be technically-deficient IRL. Not something I care about (I'd much rather have better defensive stats and poorer technique except for the attacking fullbacks) but something I'm pretty confident changes over time

 

Overall I actually think the regen system is pretty good, and players with plenty of ability but awkward attribute/PPM combinations do exist IRL, but there are still areas which it can be improved.

[Earnie is God!]

On 05/10/2016 at 12:05, jeesh said:

There are so many midfielders for example with outstanding stats suited for Box to Box in every area except work rate. Or diminutive forwards with great heading ability. Very hard to get good regens whose stat would reflect attributes similar to players in real life.

As enigmatic said, there are some examples IRL but I think not as many to warrant the number of newgens who follow this pattern.
I can think of a few small forwards who are/were good in the air, such as Kevin Davies (apparently 6 foot which surprised me) who was great in the air, 5'8" Kenny Miller and 5'5" Paul Dickov who was highly annoying for defenders.

Newgen GKs, as someone said on another thread a while back, lack any real ability on the ball. I don't think I've ever found one whose first touch, passing and technique were all more than 6 or 7, and quite often are 1-3 to start with.

[noikeee]

39 minutes ago, enigmatic said:

If @noikeee has the time and patience to do as good a job of number crunching as he did for fullbacks I'd also be interested to see:

(i) one footed players in 2015 vs 2035, particularly high ability FCs and MC/AMCs. I suspect there are a lot more than IRL (where footedness is perhaps a little more closely associated with technical ability, and players whose weaker foot is just for standing on are perhaps more likely to be moved wide where they get a bit more space to be able to choose which foot to play the ball with) but it's possible I just notice them more since one-footed players tend to have better attributes in other areas than reports on their ability would suggest

(iii) central defenders, particularly high-ability, one-position-only specialist central defenders with poor Jumping. Something you mentioned and I'm almost sure will have clear patterns in the stats. IRL they tend to get converted to be fullbacks or DMs...

(ii) top-division but not world class defenders with good technique and passing (world class regen defenders tend to be technically OK and second tier defenders tend to be technically-deficient IRL. Not something I care about (I'd much rather have better defensive stats and poorer technique except for the attacking fullbacks) but something I'm pretty confident changes over time

Unfortunately I'm not sure some of the searches you want can be done directly in FM Genie Scout... I can't for example search for a player that can play in a position but can't in another.

[enigmatic]

Interesting, MacAssistant (same website, different program) allows you to search for players that can play DC and can't play DR, DL, DM or MC (or other positions you select) but doesn't seem to have a function for filtering regens (though it looks like you can fudge it by filtering on UID).

[Ruh Roh]

This is the one player type that really gets to me, and they're all over the place, I've seen some that are way faster etc. - but I can't think of a CM in real life with a ton of pace, great vision, great passing, but they can't beat a man and they can't defend.  I think weird specialist players should definitely exist but with guys like this, it's out of wack. The ones I've had have worked out fine but I wonder how the AI deals with them.

Also haven't seen a GK with good pace/acceleration and good rushing out at the same time, but I haven't looked very hard for sweeper keepers - as well as the short CBs, though I think that's improved. Really, position training should be more generous all around too.

[enigmatic]

Yeah, the pacy passing specialist seems to be a stock midfielder type, and it's surprising how many have great pace/acceleration/technique/first touch and sometimes even dribbling PPMs but still can't dribble, and rely totally on their pace in lieu of any positional awareness yet always know exactly where to pass when they overtake others to the ball 

Think they're a side effect of central midfielders being far too likely to have good pace/acceleration - it's at least as easy to find seriously quick regen central midfielders as quick regen wingers, probably easier below the top levels of the game. And I think it's the variety of wingers they've got right, barring the previously-raised issues with few inside forwards

(I say that with the caveat it's probably better to have too many quick central midfielders than most good midfielders being too slow given how much a player with 8 or so points of extra pace can dominate in the match engine)

[Cannes]

There are so many problems with the regens in these areas.

You will almost never see any world class full/wing-backs, sweeper keepers (or keepers above 2.5 stars in general), technical proficient strikers, AMR/L positions other than wingers.

[enigmatic]

To be honest, I see plenty of world class full/wing backs, just very few below world class that can both defend and beat a man and cross a ball well. You get a few worthy successors to Lahm, Alaba and Cafu but a distinct lack of more affordable players with the qualities of Kieran Trippier or Tyrone Mings.