Deep lying playmaker with Ball-winning mid instructions

[Nazdroid3000]

I have the idea to use a Deep lying playmaker(in center midfield position) as a Ball-winning midfielder at the same time. By doing this, I would set him to be a DLP(defend) and give him some of the player instructions of a BWM.

First, here's the active player instructions of each position:
DLP - Shoot less, risky passes, hold position 
BWM - Close down much more, tackle harder, dribble less, fewer risky passes, hold position

From the BWM instructions, I would add Close down much more, tackle harder and dribble less to the DLP's player instructions, meaning all his instructions are: Shoot less, risky passes, hold position, Close down much more, tackle harder, dribble less.

My aim of this is I want the player to be someone who the team pass to often for build-up play, and also being someone who will win the ball back quickly when defending. Do you think this would work? what's your feedback on this? Would there be something you'd change?

FYI the formation he would be playing in is a 4-2-3-1 and the other center midfielder would be a Box-to-Box mid.

[Chip]

Only one way to find out if it will work and that would be to watch the games and pay close attention to what he does with and without the ball. I can imagine you would be fine with the instructions selected but it's always worth watching to see if there's any problems. 

Is he playing in the CM or the DM strata?The only potential problem I could think of would be that when he aggressively presses the ball he won't be as deep as a DLP usually would to receive the ball from his defenders. 

Try him out and update us on how he does! Good luck

[eriktous]

Looking just at the role in isolation, I think almost anything can work, but as always it depends to a large degree on the actual player that you're asking to do this. You're basically asking him to perform two somewhat specialist roles in one, so he would need to have the attributes to perform both of those roles satisfactorily.

Looking at the system, the roaming of the box-to-box may see him quite far out of position when your team loses the ball. If the BWM then goes chasing after it, your midfield may get horribly exposed.

[Nazdroid3000]

12 hours ago, eriktous said:

Looking just at the role in isolation, I think almost anything can work, but as always it depends to a large degree on the actual player that you're asking to do this. You're basically asking him to perform two somewhat specialist roles in one, so he would need to have the attributes to perform both of those roles satisfactorily.

Looking at the system, the roaming of the box-to-box may see him quite far out of position when your team loses the ball. If the BWM then goes chasing after it, your midfield may get horribly exposed.

I understand what you mean about if the box-to-box is out of position, loses ball then BWM runs after him and my mid would be unorganized. I could fix this by changing the instruction to "Close down more" instead of 'Much more' - do you think this would work? Also remember that he is actually a Deep-Lying Playmaker with just some instructions of a BWM, so won't be fully doing what BWM does.

As for the type of player I will ask to do this, I play as Liverpool so would be Henderson or Can, who would you recommend:
Henderson attributes
Can attributes

 

[summatsupeer]

I don't think either fit a Playmaker, BWM or the hybrid role you're making.

[herne79]

Have you tried simply putting the "right kind of player" (as has been mentioned above) into the DLP(D) role without adding in any extra PIs?  Michael Carrick would play the DLP(D) role in a totally different way to Arturo Vidal (for example) without adding in any additional PIs, so I think it'll be worth considering the player involved before you start changing PIs.

You really want Vidal closing down much more and tackling harder?  Yikes .

[Pakito]

Before the ownership change, I seem to remember PSG playing a 4-1-1-3-1 with Chantôme in front of Makélélé, basically fanning out using the anchorman as a pivot in the PM/BW hybrid role you're talking about. The partnership is different from what you want (B2B), but you can research that a bit and maybe pick up some ideas 

[facman]

I've found that most of my BBM-style players have the work rate and energy to make decent BWM, so perhaps the answer may lie in merging those two roles in your system, and leaving your DLP to sit back as a holding player

[Nazdroid3000]

Thanks for your feedback guys. If you look at Henderson and Can's stats in my earlier post, what roles would  you give them both if playing as a 4-2-3-1? I would give Henderson a BBM but not sure about Can?

 

 

[summatsupeer]

9 hours ago, Nazdroid3000 said:

Thanks for your feedback guys. If you look at Henderson and Can's stats in my earlier post, what roles would  you give them both if playing as a 4-2-3-1? I would give Henderson a BBM but not sure about Can?

 

 

I wouldn't play them as a midfield pair.  

Can's skillset is very awkward, he lacks attributes for specialist roles (Playmaker or BWM roles) but also has flaws for the generic roles, he didn't do very well as the holding player for me.  I think with his pace, energy and flair he needs to be a support duty player but he needs space created for him, hence could be better making him a Wide Midfielder than a Central Midfielder.

[yonko]

If you want Hendo to do his thing as BBM then he needs to be paired with a sitting midfielder - someone who has good (15+) Positioning, Anticipation and Decisions. There are two choice for a sitting role, DLP-D or CM-D. Choose either one and don't touch PIs. Just observe how it plays.

It's kind of difficult to offer good advice when we don't know the rest of your set up and what is your intended style of play. Posters always seem to seek advice for the 4-2-3-1 formation and basically it always boils down to the midfield pair and the wings.

To have a succesfull 4-2-3-1 Wide it is essential to have the 2 MCs holding back a little bit. Therefore the roles need to be carefully chosen. It is repeated multiple times in multiple threads. IMO the BBM role in this formation also requires a conservative fullback on the same side - FB-S/WB-D role - for protection and balance.

Personally I avoid adventurous roles in midfield for this formation and always prefer to use a DLP, either in S or D duty, pair with a CM in either D or S duty (always opposite to the DLP duty). This allows me to use more adventurous roles for my front 4. I also avoid Attacking duties for Fullbacks, WB-S is the most I would use.

Thats my 0.02 

[Kick Wilstra]

If want a play to both defend and create I would use simply a CM(d), DLP(d) or BWM(s) and choose a player with the right attributes.