henryzz Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 How are people finding designing tactics on the FM17 Beta compared with on the last FM16 patch. Are there any changes to be aware of when moving tactics over? Is the match engine more robust in any way? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ji-Sung Park Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 To broad a question to answer. I'm sure some tactics will be translated easily, but not all. I just tried some basic stuff with a 4-4-2 in Germany and got hammered in almost every game. This of course is a good thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herne79 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 imo it's evolution rather than revolution. Well known issues from FM16 have been addressed (eg., "crossing", shots from tight angles) and overall it's more polished which, when combined with enhanced graphics, gives a much better feel. The ME is certainly more robust and I think is the best I've seen. In terms of moving tactics over from FM16 to 17 you certainly can, but as ever you'd need to watch how it translates and make adjustments if needed. If you haven't got the game already, try the demo out (when available) and check it out for yourself . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghents Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 I directly transferred my deep 442 counter tactic and it works just fine. As Herne79 mentioned, you can tell some of the issues in 16 like crosses being too good and some wonky goals are fixed, so it seems more difficult to score goals, which is a good thing IMO. The ME doesn't seem drastically different to me yet, but there always seems to be a significant shift from beta to release, which is something to keep in mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz13 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 I've tried using the same tactic from last year in two variations - one with very structured and the other with very fluid to see the best and potentially worse scenarios. The differences that you'd expect are evident (player spacing for example) but I'm yet to see anything that makes me think "I will need a HUGE rethink" bit of tweaking perhaps though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryzz Posted October 22, 2016 Author Share Posted October 22, 2016 So good tactics that don't rely on bugs should be ok. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasilli07 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Are you guys getting high possession stats for your tactics? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BojanVu Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 I have a big problem with cross feom wings and with AMC. I want to play 4-4-1-1 with two wingers on support and two wing back on attack duty. I have more creativity players in the midle like dlp and AMC and BPD and i playing fluid. Buu that AMC i can't intruct well. He have on the end game about 6.8 score. Second.my winger not good liltlle cross and when i tell him to cross on far post or target man he cross on near post. Big diferrent not like in 2016. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigaliro Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 14 hours ago, vasilli07 said: Are you guys getting high possession stats for your tactics? Nope, its harder to keep possession in this version, at least for me. in fm 16 it was much easier to keep possession. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriktous Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I'm starting to get the feeling that tackling is done with more force, leading both to more takeovers (dribbling feels underpowered), and more fouls. I haven't even reached mid-season on my first save, though, so it's nothing more than a feeling as of yet. Could very well be caused by my tactics or poor morale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powello Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 On 23/10/2016 at 16:08, vasilli07 said: Are you guys getting high possession stats for your tactics? I'm getting between 55-65% possesion most games, but I don't care too much about that unless we win the game aswell. I haven't tried tranferring any tactics over from 16 but from what I have seen over almost 2 seasons so far on the beta, not much has changed from 16, so it should be easy to transfer them over with a little tweak here and there. On 22/10/2016 at 13:04, herne79 said: imo it's evolution rather than revolution. Well known issues from FM16 have been addressed (eg., "crossing", shots from tight angles) and overall it's more polished which, when combined with enhanced graphics, gives a much better feel. The ME is certainly more robust and I think is the best I've seen. The crossing seems the same to me, score loads and concede loads from crosses and the shots from tight angles definitely hasn't. Martial scored literally from the byline a few games ago for me. Overall the ME does seem a lot better, and I would agree it's the best one so far, but there is a lot of work still to be done on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alerion Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Its certainly different. Used the same tactic as in FM16 with the same team and absolutly got hammered. I think its more complex and you need to put in more thought this time, altough you also get more informations about the other team which makes it more easier. I am still not sure whats up with away games tho, looks impossible to put in a good away record as I always tend to lose. Other then that I am not sure if I should use the same tactic over and over again, or change my tactic from game to game according to the weakness of the other team. What do you guys think ? Also I´d like to hear some experience from you about away games, so fire away ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powello Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 You definitely shouldn't use the same tactic home and away. Away you need to be more disciplined. Even with United, I use defensive when away, but tweak the player roles to operate on the counter. I don't have an unbeaten away record, but I tend to win most. I had the same experience with Salford. Away I tend to focus a bit more on opponents weaknesses than I do at home, as long as they don't overly affect my tactics. But every game I tend to change a few things, so I never end up playing the same tactic 2 games in a row. Same formation yes, but things change under the hood Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 7 minutes ago, Powello said: You definitely shouldn't use the same tactic home and away. That's very prescriptive? It's perfectly feasible to play the same system home and away. I've just done it for a whole season with Santos and whilst my results at home were generally better, we still racked up plenty of points on the road. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powello Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Yeah you can use them, and for some teams it will work, but generally I have found it's better to have a different plan for away games when teams are more likely to come at you. But really, if you can play the same way every game, then whats the point in playing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghents Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 17 minutes ago, RTHerringbone said: That's very prescriptive? It's perfectly feasible to play the same system home and away. I've just done it for a whole season with Santos and whilst my results at home were generally better, we still racked up plenty of points on the road. Yeah, I think it really depends on your system. If you use a very attack minded tactic, it's probably not going to do well in away games. I've been using a deep 442 and don't change much home/away except for maybe dropping my defensive line a little deeper at some point in the away game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Powello said: Yeah you can use them, and for some teams it will work, but generally I have found it's better to have a different plan for away games when teams are more likely to come at you. But really, if you can play the same way every game, then whats the point in playing? A lot of it is down to semantics. I will adapt my system in most games, but I still consider it to largely be the same basic approach. As an example, if I'm away against a tough opponent, I might just downgrade a couple of Duties on the flanks, or I might adjust Team Shape. I'll still play the same basic brand of football, but I might just refine it to suit the match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powello Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Yeah, what I meant by not using the same tactic every game is the exact same one where everything is the same, if you tweak it then technically it's not the same Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herne79 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 2 hours ago, Powello said: The crossing seems the same to me, score loads and concede loads from crosses and the shots from tight angles definitely hasn't. Martial scored literally from the byline a few games ago for me. Overall the ME does seem a lot better, and I would agree it's the best one so far, but there is a lot of work still to be done on it. That's down to your tactics. Still, if you think you've found a bug please raise a report in the Beta Bugs forum, attaching pkm of example matches with timings during the matches of where you think this is happening so that SI can investigate. It'd also be useful to detail your tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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