Emulating Mourinho

[GChaddah98]

Hi everyone,

I tried to do this last year and came here for help but I just lost interest in the game towards the end so didn't bother but now with a new game I've thought about giving it another shot. The basic aim is creating a tactic based on the style and results of Mourinho. I believe to do this I have to have 2 tactics, 1 where you are the favorite and going to be spending most of the game on the front foot, trying to carve out the other team and the other being a big game tactic, with Mourinho being renowned for his defensive displays and results in big games. 

This below is the tactic I created which is the more attacking tactic, for years on FM I've relied on downloads and plug and play to get me through saves, so if I'm honestly speaking this is my first proper try at a system, I am not sure if all these roles make sense hence I am posting here for feedback, below is the more attacking tactic so to

 

(Sorry if the pic looks weird, still trying to adjust to this forum)

And below are the instructions, again this is my first proper attempt at the system, I am unsure what instructions go with what so I went with what I thought would best fit.

 

And below is the second tactic, this is used in big games, one or 2 of the roles are different and so are some of the shouts, basically I want this to be defensively solid and good on the counter attack. 

 

I have played so far just past a season with United, it has went alright but I still feel I can improve the tactic, the results are below, there will be so many better creators than me, I am really wanting to learn a lot more about systems, how to create them and how to perfect them, this is my first try so feedback and improvements are greatly appreciated. The results boxed in red are when we used the more defensive tactic. 

 

 

 

[Jean0987654321]

Ehh...Mou usually have us play as a 4-4-1-1 or usually 4-1-4-1 nowadays when defending. So remember, defensive shape is the team shape.  So, I say move the wingers back and get that AM in the midfield strata and make him a CM (a). As for the shape we are a counterattacking side that press a lot (Close Down Much More/Tighter Marking). No sledgehammers on the side. Usually we aim to block passing paths (Stay on Feet). And we are also very compact (Very Fluid). We also like to play the ball out of defense often (Play Out Of Defense TI)

 

I don't think you need to instruct the team to drop much deeper with a Counter mentailty. In this game, you might conceed too much space to the opposition.

[Moutorious]

2 hours ago, Jean0987654321 said:

Ehh...Mou usually have us play as a 4-4-1-1 or usually 4-1-4-1 nowadays when defending. So remember, defensive shape is the team shape.  So, I say move the wingers back and get that AM in the midfield strata and make him a CM (a). As for the shape we are a counterattacking side that press a lot (Close Down Much More/Tighter Marking). No sledgehammers on the side. Usually we aim to block passing paths (Stay on Feet). And we are also very compact (Very Fluid). We also like to play the ball out of defense often (Play Out Of Defense TI)

 

I don't think you need to instruct the team to drop much deeper with a Counter mentailty. In this game, you might conceed too much space to the opposition.

We're hardly a counterattacking team and don't press that much at all. Mourinho prefers his front four to press and the rest to stand off a bit. 

[Fosse]

Not that he does it often but against Liverpool his wide players man marked Liverpools fullbacks to create a pseudo 631 in defense. Having players in the AML and AMR slots mean they won't be disciplined in defensive situations something that's essential for Mourinho.

[Ö-zil to the Arsenal!]

2 hours ago, Jean0987654321 said:

Ehh...Mou usually have us play as a 4-4-1-1 or usually 4-1-4-1 nowadays when defending. So remember, defensive shape is the team shape.  So, I say move the wingers back and get that AM in the midfield strata and make him a CM (a). As for the shape we are a counterattacking side that press a lot (Close Down Much More/Tighter Marking). No sledgehammers on the side. Usually we aim to block passing paths (Stay on Feet). And we are also very compact (Very Fluid). We also like to play the ball out of defense often (Play Out Of Defense TI)

 

I don't think you need to instruct the team to drop much deeper with a Counter mentailty. In this game, you might conceed too much space to the opposition.

I agree with Jean on the formation, however disagree on the shape. If Jose Mourinho plays very fluid then I'm Donald Duck.

Remember that shape isn't the only way to get compactness - more conservative roles will do the same, and be more effective in more defensive systems.

To me, Jose is structured through and through. Adjusting mentality and player roles for the occasion.

 

[jeid2000]

Agree with Ozil, structured for Jose. It might be best picking a game to emulate as Jose does like to tinker with his shape/style depending on opponents.

[EuanDewar]

United this season have had virtually no structure in attack and have just been one giant mess. So you might want to go with very fluid and then some player roles that don't make any sense. 

[Jean0987654321]

3 hours ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:

I agree with Jean on the formation, however disagree on the shape. If Jose Mourinho plays very fluid then I'm Donald Duck.

Remember that shape isn't the only way to get compactness - more conservative roles will do the same, and be more effective in more defensive systems.

To me, Jose is structured through and through. Adjusting mentality and player roles for the occasion.

 

Mou sides are usually very compact which means Very Fluid. Remember, there's only a slight difference in freedom when choosing the shape in this game. That's fine because Jose gives the players a bit freedom on the attack. Trust me. I watched every game this season from my side. 

[Ö-zil to the Arsenal!]

6 minutes ago, Jean0987654321 said:

Mou sides are usually very compact which means Very Fluid. Remember, there's only a slight difference in freedom when choosing the shape in this game. That's fine because Jose gives the players a bit freedom on the attack. Trust me. I watched every game this season from my side. 

Jose Mourinho is absolutely NOT very fluid. Very fluid is attacking & defending as a unit, high creative freedom and (the only comparison) is compactness.

The game itself describes very fluid as "encouraging the team to play free-flowing football with high creative freedom". Does that sound like Mourinho to anybody?

Mourinho's style is certainly compact, but in this instance you would achieve this using a structured shape, combined with conservative player roles and duties. You'll probably want a reasonably low block so I'd suggest start with Counter for the big games, and Standard for the games you should win easily.

[Jean0987654321]

 

10 minutes ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:

Jose Mourinho is absolutely NOT very fluid. Very fluid is attacking & defending as a unit, high creative freedom and (the only comparison) is compactness.

The game itself describes very fluid as "encouraging the team to play free-flowing football with high creative freedom". Does that sound like Mourinho to anybody?

Mourinho's style is certainly compact, but in this instance you would achieve this using a structured shape, combined with conservative player roles and duties. You'll probably want a reasonably low block so I'd suggest start with Counter for the big games, and Standard for the games you should win easily.

I think you are taking the shapes to seriously. They are just labels. There is no real difference between the shapes except the compactness. That is the most important thing, IMO.

[thomit]

Mourinho would definitely fall into the "rigid" category. He likes his players to do exactly what he tells them, and with very few exceptions not give many players freedom to "do their thing". That means a shape on the rigid side, with one or two "free" roles.

Also, to emulate Mourinho properly, make sure you buckle when the pressure gets to you ....

[Fosse]

I think Mourinho is a bit unfairly tarnished as such a defensive manager, he likes his teams to be very secure but he's still produced great attacking football throughout his career. In the bigger games he's adopted a more safety first approach and maybe that's why he's been pigeonholed but I think you could make a case for very structured, structured, flexible or fluid. 

I think it's difficult to create a tactic loosely based on Mourinho's principles because he's had various approaches over the years based on the strength (and the trust he has in some) of his players. 

Another thing to consider is that team shape affects compactness with the ball, obviously it has a small impact on compactness without the ball due to being closer together and transitioning is easier but players naturally become compact in defence, particularly in a lower mentality anyway, even a highly structured system will try to reduce space in your own third.

 

@Jean0987654321

The difference between shapes to achieve the compactness is derived from individual changes to mentality.

On very fluid defender's mentalities are higher to get them to be closer to the strikers and the forward player's mentalities are reduced to get them closer together. Plus, the differences in creative freedom too, it might not appear that there's a huge difference but Herne used structured in his 442 thread (iirc) to reduce creative freedom and Özil used very fluid to achieve differences in creativity and discipline. I agree that shape isn't that important and it's certainly contrived and convoluted but they can help you achieve different things.

[Ö-zil to the Arsenal!]

34 minutes ago, Jean0987654321 said:

 

I think you are taking the shapes to seriously. They are just labels. There is no real difference between the shapes except the compactness. That is the most important thing, IMO.

Thanks for the advice, Harry Redknapp! 

[Ji-Sung Park]

United as of late:

DDG: GK (d)

Darmian/Valencia: Wingback (a)
Rojo/Smalling: CD (d)
Blind: BPD (d)
Shaw: Fullback (s)

Herrera: BWM/DLP (s)
Pogba: RPM

Lingard/Mata: IF (s) - sit narrower, shorter passing
Mata/Rooney/Pogba: AM (s)
Rash/Martial/Depay: Winger/IF (a) - stay wider

Zlatan: CF (s)

Valencia attacks more than Darmian, but it is obvious that the right back is more attack minded than the left overall. The right winger will drift inwards and play almost like a second AMC, allowing crosses and connecting play from the RB. Herrera is more of a halfback when building up play from the back, but acts and press more like a BWM when out of possession. Could be trickiest role to get right of them all. Pogba could also be a B2B with the roaming, but he is constantly seeking out the ball.

Mentality? Against teams like Burnley and Hull it is definitely control, whereas he won't shy away from counter against Liverpool and City and the like, away. If control destroys the tight shape, then standard would be the way to go. Shape: absolutely structured. In terms of positioning only one player is allowed to roam freely, Pogba. All others have extremely clear roles.

In terms of TIs I'd say very few. Play out of defense, maybe retain possession to shorter the passing a bit and get some closing down. It all looks very standard and old school to be fair.

[GChaddah98]

On 10/28/2016 at 17:18, Jean0987654321 said:

Ehh...Mou usually have us play as a 4-4-1-1 or usually 4-1-4-1 nowadays when defending. So remember, defensive shape is the team shape.  So, I say move the wingers back and get that AM in the midfield strata and make him a CM (a). As for the shape we are a counterattacking side that press a lot (Close Down Much More/Tighter Marking). No sledgehammers on the side. Usually we aim to block passing paths (Stay on Feet). And we are also very compact (Very Fluid). We also like to play the ball out of defense often (Play Out Of Defense TI)

 

I don't think you need to instruct the team to drop much deeper with a Counter mentailty. In this game, you might conceed too much space to the opposition.

Yes so I think I understand, this is something I didn't know previously in that the shape we set the team up is actually the defensive shape, if you watch the game as Liverpool Mourinho basically had his wingers double up as full backs, so maybe the wingers should be played further back, then using individual instructions to get further forward at times, I am not sure what formation it would translate to, 4-1-4-1, 4-5-1 flat or a 4-4-1-1.

Very fluid is interesting, it says it contributes to all phases of play, meaning the more attacking players will due defensive duties I think which mourinho wants but very fluid is more expressive and creative freedom for players, something Mourinho doesn't allow.

Mourinho often talks about a low block, playing on the counter in the big games hence I chose a deep defensive line. 

 

[GChaddah98]

On 10/28/2016 at 19:43, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:

I agree with Jean on the formation, however disagree on the shape. If Jose Mourinho plays very fluid then I'm Donald Duck.

Remember that shape isn't the only way to get compactness - more conservative roles will do the same, and be more effective in more defensive systems.

To me, Jose is structured through and through. Adjusting mentality and player roles for the occasion.

 

I agree, structured was the one I thought best suit. From my understanding very fluid offers greater creative freedom, something Mourinho doesn't seem a fan of. 

[GChaddah98]

On 10/28/2016 at 19:45, jeid2000 said:

Agree with Ozil, structured for Jose. It might be best picking a game to emulate as Jose does like to tinker with his shape/style depending on opponents.

Maybe but that's not on ideal on FM, hence I want to try and create 2 tactics, one in games we are superior and a big game tactic. 

[GChaddah98]

18 hours ago, Ji-Sung Park said:

United as of late:

DDG: GK (d)

Darmian/Valencia: Wingback (a)
Rojo/Smalling: CD (d)
Blind: BPD (d)
Shaw: Fullback (s)

Herrera: BWM/DLP (s)
Pogba: RPM

Lingard/Mata: IF (s) - sit narrower, shorter passing
Mata/Rooney/Pogba: AM (s)
Rash/Martial/Depay: Winger/IF (a) - stay wider

Zlatan: CF (s)

Valencia attacks more than Darmian, but it is obvious that the right back is more attack minded than the left overall. The right winger will drift inwards and play almost like a second AMC, allowing crosses and connecting play from the RB. Herrera is more of a halfback when building up play from the back, but acts and press more like a BWM when out of possession. Could be trickiest role to get right of them all. Pogba could also be a B2B with the roaming, but he is constantly seeking out the ball.

Mentality? Against teams like Burnley and Hull it is definitely control, whereas he won't shy away from counter against Liverpool and City and the like, away. If control destroys the tight shape, then standard would be the way to go. Shape: absolutely structured. In terms of positioning only one player is allowed to roam freely, Pogba. All others have extremely clear roles.

In terms of TIs I'd say very few. Play out of defense, maybe retain possession to shorter the passing a bit and get some closing down. It all looks very standard and old school to be fair.

The 4-2-3-1 was my original thought but the logical suggestion seems to have the wingers pushed back and then them cutting in maybe. 

[GChaddah98]

On 10/28/2016 at 19:39, Fosse said:

Not that he does it often but against Liverpool his wide players man marked Liverpools fullbacks to create a pseudo 631 in defense. Having players in the AML and AMR slots mean they won't be disciplined in defensive situations something that's essential for Mourinho.

Yes agree with this, I will try a 4-4-1-1 maybe. 

[jeid2000]

6 minutes ago, GChaddah98 said:

Maybe but that's not on ideal on FM, hence I want to try and create 2 tactics, one in games we are superior and a big game tactic. 

So pick a game against a bigger opposition and a game where you should dominate. If you focus on one game from each style, you'll have a better chance of replicating his styles

[felley]

As a few have pointed out, it's hard to pin down something as properly typical of Mourinho but there are a few things that are consistent in his style:

- A low block
- A lone, multi-dimensional striker
- Disciplined zonal defending - usually consisting of a back four, wide midfielders that are willing to track and two energetic central players
- Compactness 
- Willingness to react to the opposition 

To achieve this, I'd probably go down the Özil/Fosse route and choose Counter/Standard as the main style with a Structured team shape. Formation would probably be 4-4-1-1 and the roles would maybe vary in an attempt to respond to the opposition but would mostly look something like:

                   GK(D)

WB(S)   CB(D)   CB(D)   FB(S)

WM(S)  CM(D)  CM(S)  WM(A)

                    AM(S)

                    CF(A)

PI's would be a possibility but player recruitment would probably be the most important factor with the midfield three being the key area.  All three should be physical specimens with top class Teamwork, Work Rate, Bravery and Determination.  More attacking attributes are more than welcome, but speed and clever movement would be valued over flair - with the half-exception of one of the wide slots/the AM against weaker opposition as Mou quite often likes a bit of magic from these areas.

[Oenone87]

Best idea is to get send to the stands 

[Jean0987654321]

Big Bump but I'll post my own interpretation later in the week. I'm testing some things out now in the game

[Ceching You Out]

First the caveat -- I've mostly seen Mourinho during his two stints at Chelsea. He frequently makes individual tweaks that are hard to replicate. That means it's hard to pin down an exact system, but generally you could say he plays a more attacking set-up and a more defensive set-up. Both would use Standard-Structured.

More defensive

There are a couple options here that are very, very similar and the choice probably depends how defensive you want to be. I wouldn't argue against a 4-1-4-1, 4-5-1, or 4-4-1-1. He plays with essentially three central midfielders. The farthest forward is a CM(a)/AM(s) depending on how they track back; the middle is a playmaker, typically a DLP(s); the deepest is a CM(d)/DM(d). At Chelsea, it was usually Oscar, Fabregas, Matic respectively.

Nothing fancy with the defense -- typical central defenders, a FB(d) on the left, a FB(s) on the right. Some variation in DCs, then typically Azpilicueta and Ivanovic respectively.

Out wide he'd use essentially an IF(a) on the left and an IF(s) on the right, just in the midfield strata. More creative freedom for the left since that was Hazard compared to Willian on the other side. Up front Costa was basically a CF(s).

For team instructions, something like drop a little deeper, close down less, play shorter.

 

More offensive

The formation doesn't change much here although I'd go with either a 4-4-1-1 or an assymetric 4-3-1-1 by pushing the ML up to the AM strata to be a true IF(a). At times Hazard was given more freedom to not track back. Still some variations here depending on how attacking you want to go.

For central midfielders the most attacking would be AM(s) + RP(s) + CM(s). Likewise, FB(s) on the left with FB(a) on the right. MR turns to an IF(a) but still in the midfield strata and the forward becomes a CF(a).

I'd drop the team instructions from above and play out of defense.

[Jean0987654321]

7 hours ago, Ceching You Out said:

First the caveat -- I've mostly seen Mourinho during his two stints at Chelsea. He frequently makes individual tweaks that are hard to replicate. That means it's hard to pin down an exact system, but generally you could say he plays a more attacking set-up and a more defensive set-up. Both would use Standard-Structured.

More defensive

There are a couple options here that are very, very similar and the choice probably depends how defensive you want to be. I wouldn't argue against a 4-1-4-1, 4-5-1, or 4-4-1-1. He plays with essentially three central midfielders. The farthest forward is a CM(a)/AM(s) depending on how they track back; the middle is a playmaker, typically a DLP(s); the deepest is a CM(d)/DM(d). At Chelsea, it was usually Oscar, Fabregas, Matic respectively.

Nothing fancy with the defense -- typical central defenders, a FB(d) on the left, a FB(s) on the right. Some variation in DCs, then typically Azpilicueta and Ivanovic respectively.

Out wide he'd use essentially an IF(a) on the left and an IF(s) on the right, just in the midfield strata. More creative freedom for the left since that was Hazard compared to Willian on the other side. Up front Costa was basically a CF(s).

For team instructions, something like drop a little deeper, close down less, play shorter.

 

More offensive

The formation doesn't change much here although I'd go with either a 4-4-1-1 or an assymetric 4-3-1-1 by pushing the ML up to the AM strata to be a true IF(a). At times Hazard was given more freedom to not track back. Still some variations here depending on how attacking you want to go.

For central midfielders the most attacking would be AM(s) + RP(s) + CM(s). Likewise, FB(s) on the left with FB(a) on the right. MR turns to an IF(a) but still in the midfield strata and the forward becomes a CF(a).

I'd drop the team instructions from above and play out of defense.

Uhh....Mou doesn't play that way with us. Everybody tracks back in midfield. Even Martial tracks back. So two banks of four should do. And Valencia plays so high up the field in attack as a RB...so CWB on attack but also Shaw bombs forward too so you got two attacking FBs. 

 

Even tho some ethos are still the same, he goes into different teams and plays with different systems just like he did with Inter playing a 442 diamond or RM with a 4-4-2ish shape with CR7 doing his thing. He isn't afraid to tweak stuff to accommodate his current crop of players.

[Ceching You Out]

3 hours ago, Jean0987654321 said:

Uhh....Mou doesn't play that way with us. Everybody tracks back in midfield. Even Martial tracks back. So two banks of four should do. And Valencia plays so high up the field in attack as a RB...so CWB on attack but also Shaw bombs forward too so you got two attacking FBs. 

 

Even tho some ethos are still the same, he goes into different teams and plays with different systems just like he did with Inter playing a 442 diamond or RM with a 4-4-2ish shape with CR7 doing his thing. He isn't afraid to tweak stuff to accommodate his current crop of players.

I can't comment too much on what he's done this season. I've only seen Man United against Chelsea; it was difficult to tell tactics given the early goal and the disorganization that followed. I'd hesitate anyway to make strong statements about his new, unique approach 10 games anyway. He's a natural tinkerer, especially given the options available to him now.

That said, the other attempts in this thread look awfully similar to mine. Maybe he's not playing quite so differently as you believe?

[Jean0987654321]

8 hours ago, Ceching You Out said:

I can't comment too much on what he's done this season. I've only seen Man United against Chelsea; it was difficult to tell tactics given the early goal and the disorganization that followed. I'd hesitate anyway to make strong statements about his new, unique approach 10 games anyway. He's a natural tinkerer, especially given the options available to him now.

That said, the other attempts in this thread look awfully similar to mine. Maybe he's not playing quite so differently as you believe?

Trust me, mate. Man Utd Mourinho is different to Chelsea Mourinho V1.0 or 2.0. I'm a Man Utd fan and I watch a lot of games and I read all the articles and I do some research of my own on his tactics.

[bumbisoft]

The thing Mourinho is famous for is pragmatism. This has meant that he always changes his system according to the need of the hour. Hence it is rather difficult to emulate his 'system' perse. I believe that to emulate him, we must be pragmatic ourselves. I suggest underlying the common parts of his systems at Porto, Unaio Leiria, Benfica, Chelsea, Inter, Man Utd and Real Madrid. These are his principles. Based on this we should develop our own system at the club of our choice, according to the players available and the overall quality of the squad.

[Jean0987654321]

9 hours ago, bumbisoft said:

The thing Mourinho is famous for is pragmatism. This has meant that he always changes his system according to the need of the hour. Hence it is rather difficult to emulate his 'system' perse. I believe that to emulate him, we must be pragmatic ourselves. I suggest underlying the common parts of his systems at Porto, Unaio Leiria, Benfica, Chelsea, Inter, Man Utd and Real Madrid. These are his principles. Based on this we should develop our own system at the club of our choice, according to the players available and the overall quality of the squad.

Saying that is easier than doing it especially in this game. You can't get everything right but you have to hope and pray to get the key ingredients and then work out the little  things. Thats why I focus on defensive shape first (4-1-4-1) because in this game that's the team shape...and then you have to figure out how do they attack or get that team shape into a 4-2-3-1 in attack.

[bumbisoft]

21 hours ago, Jean0987654321 said:

Saying that is easier than doing it especially in this game. You can't get everything right but you have to hope and pray to get the key ingredients and then work out the little  things. Thats why I focus on defensive shape first (4-1-4-1) because in this game that's the team shape...and then you have to figure out how do they attack or get that team shape into a 4-2-3-1 in attack.

 

Mourinho used a 4-3-3 with Porto and Chelsea(first spell). So are you saying they are not 'Mourinho tactics'?

[Jean0987654321]

30 minutes ago, bumbisoft said:

 

Mourinho used a 4-3-3 with Porto and Chelsea(first spell). So are you saying they are not 'Mourinho tactics'?

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that there's more to Mou's system than just the formation...

[Jean0987654321]

Alrighty then, as promised, here is my own recreation of Mou. Of course, it isn't perfect but I'm still attempting to get this system close to real one.

Mentality: Counter

Mou prefers what says a "high press on a low block". This is how we play usually. Looking to hit teams on the break but not afraid to pressure opponents after we lose the ball.

Shape: Very Fluid

Mou likes his teams to be compact and we are (trying) to do that. LVG used to play manmarking with us which made us uncompact and now players are learning a new way to defend. I know we had our fun discussing the shape above this page but I haven't found any players messing bout when defending. Two clean sheets so far.

Formation:

So basically a 4-1-4-1 that turns into a 4-2-3-1 in attack. That is way we look so far.

TIs

Pass Into Space

Play Out of Defense

We tend to play the ball out from the back often...sometimes we are slow out from the back but that's more of LVG's doing

Play Much Narrower/Exploit the Flanks

We tend bring play through the middle and that gives our FBs some space to bomb forward and whip in a cross

Whipped Crosses

We have the big man up front and he usually is looked at to be the end of those crosses

Close Down Much More/Stay On Feet/Tighter Marking/Prevent Short GK Distribution

High pressure while sitting deep. We look to block passing lanes in order to prevent teams from playing out from the back.

 

PIs:

GK:

I think a normal GK role will do. We no longer play a high line and the CBs are usually just in front of De Gea

RB:

The Valencia role. A former out-and-out winger still acts like one in attack. He always seems to bomb high up the field when we have to ball.

LB:

I could've opted for another CWB (a) but I need some coverage when my Martial gets too far forward.

RCB:

I've opted for a stopper/cover role. Mou seems to have a fetish with those roles. Every team he went to, he always had a stopper (Carvalho, Ramos) and a cover (Terry, Pepe). I've watched a lot of Eric Bailly games and he seems to be that stopper.

LCB:

A rare ball-playing defender in Mou's teams. Daley Blind is good on the ball and when in attack he is  always deep and holding his position instead of charging out like Bailly

DM:

The Carrick/Ander role. Someone to dictate the play from deep and give Pogba some space to do his thing.

RCM:

The Fellani role. He just exists and sometimes help out the attack

LCM:

The Pogba role. He moves how he wants and when he wants.

MR:

I'm thinking a DW for Mata because he can run for days and he is the first one that applys pressure when we lose the ball.

ML:

This role is basically an IF pushed back into the midfield strata. This will help emulate the movement of Martial IRL

ST:

And the Zlatan role. His face is right next to dictionary on this role.

 

I have some highlights and some pkms. So, I'll share when they are done uploading

[dannysheard]

On 28/10/2016 at 15:58, GChaddah98 said:

Hi everyone,

I tried to do this last year and came here for help but I just lost interest in the game towards the end so didn't bother but now with a new game I've thought about giving it another shot. The basic aim is creating a tactic based on the style and results of Mourinho. I believe to do this I have to have 2 tactics, 1 where you are the favorite and going to be spending most of the game on the front foot, trying to carve out the other team and the other being a big game tactic, with Mourinho being renowned for his defensive displays and results in big games. 

This below is the tactic I created which is the more attacking tactic, for years on FM I've relied on downloads and plug and play to get me through saves, so if I'm honestly speaking this is my first proper try at a system, I am not sure if all these roles make sense hence I am posting here for feedback, below is the more attacking tactic so to

 

(Sorry if the pic looks weird, still trying to adjust to this forum)

And below are the instructions, again this is my first proper attempt at the system, I am unsure what instructions go with what so I went with what I thought would best fit.

 

And below is the second tactic, this is used in big games, one or 2 of the roles are different and so are some of the shouts, basically I want this to be defensively solid and good on the counter attack. 

 

I have played so far just past a season with United, it has went alright but I still feel I can improve the tactic, the results are below, there will be so many better creators than me, I am really wanting to learn a lot more about systems, how to create them and how to perfect them, this is my first try so feedback and improvements are greatly appreciated. The results boxed in red are when we used the more defensive tactic. 

 

 

 

Hey buddy, got some guy from Gilead on the phone for you; he says the world has moved on...

[Jean0987654321]

6 hours ago, dannysheard said:

Hey buddy, got some guy from Gilead on the phone for you; he says the world has moved on...

Wait...What??

[They Think It's All Rover]

On ‎28‎/‎10‎/‎2016 at 15:58, GChaddah98 said:

Hi everyone,

I tried to do this last year and came here for help but I just lost interest in the game towards the end so didn't bother but now with a new game I've thought about giving it another shot. The basic aim is creating a tactic based on the style and results of Mourinho. I believe to do this I have to have 2 tactics, 1 where you are the favorite and going to be spending most of the game on the front foot, trying to carve out the other team and the other being a big game tactic, with Mourinho being renowned for his defensive displays and results in big games. 

This below is the tactic I created which is the more attacking tactic, for years on FM I've relied on downloads and plug and play to get me through saves, so if I'm honestly speaking this is my first proper try at a system, I am not sure if all these roles make sense hence I am posting here for feedback, below is the more attacking tactic so to

 

(Sorry if the pic looks weird, still trying to adjust to this forum)

And below are the instructions, again this is my first proper attempt at the system, I am unsure what instructions go with what so I went with what I thought would best fit.

 

And below is the second tactic, this is used in big games, one or 2 of the roles are different and so are some of the shouts, basically I want this to be defensively solid and good on the counter attack. 

 

I have played so far just past a season with United, it has went alright but I still feel I can improve the tactic, the results are below, there will be so many better creators than me, I am really wanting to learn a lot more about systems, how to create them and how to perfect them, this is my first try so feedback and improvements are greatly appreciated. The results boxed in red are when we used the more defensive tactic. 

 

 

 

I'm emulating Mourinho but with Liverpool.  Can't stop losing, concede stupid goals and no matter what positions, players and instructions I use my wingers won't stay wide, they just drift inside and lose the ball.

I do feel honoured to be sharing the experience with the Special One, but this is the closest I've come to a rage quit in 15 years of CM/FM.

[isignedupfornorealreason]

^ For me Mourinho's 4-2-3-1 is an example of how not to do it in FM in the traditional sense with everyone thrown forward. His is a more reserved, deeper 4-2-3-1.

His arguably sets up more as a 4-1-4-1 in FM, with one dedicated holding midfielder (Fellaini as DM, or Carrick/Herrera as a DLP), one free roaming midfielder (Pogba - RPM generally, though there's an argument for B2B if you think he doesn't attract the ball all the time), and one 'number 10' of the modern variant, i.e. deep and central, not high akin to say Arsenal's Ozil if I understand it right, though I don't think anyone has nailed down his role yet.

Left is more defensive than the right - something I think he did at Chelsea as well, but the earlier games suggested he had both full backs acting as WB/S, neither were out and out attackers, Valencia's more aggressive attacking behaviour should probably be reflected in his PPM's, but if not WB/A more or less replicates it, but never both on attack at the same time.

 

Ibra drops deep, a CF/S is probably what I'd give him, as his ability is beyond regulating! On the flanks, both appear to be required to be more defensive, the left is probably the usual WM/A set up to replicate the inside forward. On the right is a bit more tricky, as no one's nailed it down yet, Mata arguably acts as a wide playmaker at times rather than staying out there, I'm not really sure on the right wing at the moment. One criticism I know United have suffered is their narrowness in attack, they've failed to exploit width, in FM, I find tactics that funnel themselves into the narrow cul-de-sac and invariably end up blunting themselves and leading to inconsistent results. So I'd probably deviate from Mourinho's style or if sticking to it, try to ensure the wingbacks get involved more.

 

As for mentality, counter + Structured seems to be the way he sets them up. But YMMV.

[Jean0987654321]

Just an followup on my interpreatation. So far, so good.

 

Man U 2-Arsenal 0
https://youtu.be/0hw4HJXTTn0
http://www.filedropper.com/manutdvarsenal

Attacking shape

Defensive shape

Man U 4-Bournemouth 0
http://www.filedropper.com/manutdvbournemouth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_si8it4qNVM

[HTC]

Found this : http://pt.slideshare.net/raseslb/a-biblia-de-mourinho-no-fc-porto

Baixar means Download. Its probably a book of his Porto tactics.

Maybe a Portuguese friend could translate the most important parts

[jukilo]

8 hours ago, HTC said:

Found this : http://pt.slideshare.net/raseslb/a-biblia-de-mourinho-no-fc-porto

Baixar means Download. Its probably a book of his Porto tactics.

Maybe a Portuguese friend could translate the most important parts

This is a great piece of information. I've read it thousands of times. It's vital for someone who wants to understand Mourinho's philosophy from the inside. 

Explains how he constructed his Porto team with the main 433 he used (contrary to popular belief that the 442 was the main tactic), which tactical characteristics he wanted for his team and each position, how each position had to contribute for the tactical model, etc. 

I'm thinking about replicate this team, the most complete I've seen playing (and I'm a Benfica fan!!). I will start a new thread in the upcoming days where I can detail a little bit more about this document.