rothordegilian Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 Is it just me or are there no wheelchair users in the crowd in 17? I'm sure they were in earlier versions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelfc8 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Nothing wrong with the game reflecting its diverse base, absolutely should be there in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleuk8 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 This is a section for people to suggest future ideas is it not? As a wheelchair user myself and a long time FM/CM fan I would love to see these small things introduced at some point. To hear comments like: "I'd prefer the time to spent on improving crosses" is completely unacceptable! What might be a small thing to one person, is a big thing to another. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted November 9, 2016 Administrators Share Posted November 9, 2016 This is a legitimate request from a user so please don't try and derail it with comments about whether you personally feel it's valid. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westy8chimp Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, Neil Brock said: This is a legitimate request from a user so please don't try and derail it with comments about whether you personally feel it's valid. Thanks. Sorry what I said wasn't controversial. the topic should be marked as [suggestion] if that is the case. Clearly if someone requests something that other people don't want there should be some chance to feed that back, so SI can gauge popularity of a request and thereby priority of a request? Otherwise in FM 18 there will be a feature request to remove it etc. If you pay attention to your reviews you'll see that lots of fans are fed up with minor cosmetic changes that do not impact the game and want more tangible differences where you as a manager interact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleuk8 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 27 minutes ago, Neil Brock said: This is a legitimate request from a user so please don't try and derail it with comments about whether you personally feel it's valid. Thanks. 21 minutes ago, westy8chimp said: Sorry what I said wasn't controversial. the topic should be marked as [suggestion] if that is the case. Clearly if someone requests something that other people don't want there should be some chance to feed that back, so SI can gauge popularity of a request and thereby priority of a request? Otherwise in FM 18 there will be a feature request to remove it etc. If you pay attention to your reviews you'll see that lots of fans are fed up with minor cosmetic changes that do not impact the game and want more tangible differences where you as a manager interact. Neil I will leave this to you and SI to respond to.. I will say this though, as a disabled person and wheelchair user, I feel these comments are hurtful and ignorant. The fact that users feel they have the right to say they don't want something that doesn't directly affect them imo is wrong. Again to a lot of people (who I might add FM is the closest they will ever get to playing football, let a lone managing) This would not be a minor change. I'm pretty sure M.E. wouldn't be affected by a feature like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelfc8 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 46 minutes ago, westy8chimp said: Sorry what I said wasn't controversial. the topic should be marked as [suggestion] if that is the case. Clearly if someone requests something that other people don't want there should be some chance to feed that back, so SI can gauge popularity of a request and thereby priority of a request? Otherwise in FM 18 there will be a feature request to remove it etc. If you pay attention to your reviews you'll see that lots of fans are fed up with minor cosmetic changes that do not impact the game and want more tangible differences where you as a manager interact. My guess is that anybody requesting the removal of wheelchair-using fans from the game would be viewed with even more incredulity than those suggesting their initial inclusion is somehow a bad idea. We are living in strange times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Would definitely be a good addition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herne79 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 2 hours ago, mikelfc8 said: Nothing wrong with the game reflecting its diverse base, absolutely should be there in my opinion. This says it all. Anyone making crass insensitive comments will be dealt with accordingly. That's not open for discussion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelfc8 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 If it's about diversity, then let's start here and ensure the game reflects it's user base. If it's about realism, then let's start here and ensure the game reflects a real match day. If those two things coincide then all the better. It's really not difficult. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxToBox Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 It'd certainly add a bit more character and life to the stadiums, definitely a good idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleuk8 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Thank you all for your support. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelfc8 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 5 minutes ago, daleuk8 said: Thank you all for your support. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rothordegilian Posted November 11, 2016 Author Share Posted November 11, 2016 My stepson uses a wheelchair and he loves FM. I edit him into the game (as a defender) and he's excited to see himself kick people in the air and head balls away like a colossus. He'd also quite like to see people like himself in the crowd. Just saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleuk8 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 10 hours ago, rothordegilian said: My stepson uses a wheelchair and he loves FM. I edit him into the game (as a defender) and he's excited to see himself kick people in the air and head balls away like a colossus. He'd also quite like to see people like himself in the crowd. Just saying. Exactly. I know if SI can do it, they will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelfc8 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 21 hours ago, rothordegilian said: My stepson uses a wheelchair and he loves FM. I edit him into the game (as a defender) and he's excited to see himself kick people in the air and head balls away like a colossus. He'd also quite like to see people like himself in the crowd. Just saying. You have just won my annual award for Top Dad of the Year.Your prize is a whole stackload of good vibes that I am sending you as we speak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Alari Naylor Posted November 12, 2016 SI Staff Share Posted November 12, 2016 On 11/11/2016 at 02:09, rothordegilian said: My stepson uses a wheelchair and he loves FM. I edit him into the game (as a defender) and he's excited to see himself kick people in the air and head balls away like a colossus. He'd also quite like to see people like himself in the crowd. Just saying. I've had a bad day and I really appreciate this post as a human, not just as an SI-er. Will make sure there is something logged for it as soon as FMM is out if Brocky hasn't already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelfc8 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 12 hours ago, Alari Naylor said: I've had a bad day and I really appreciate this post as a human, not just as an SI-er. Will make sure there is something logged for it as soon as FMM is out if Brocky hasn't already. Very classy move Alari. Sorry about your bad day, I hope it helps in some small way to know you have made a lot of other people's days a little bit better with this post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rothordegilian Posted November 12, 2016 Author Share Posted November 12, 2016 14 hours ago, Alari Naylor said: I've had a bad day and I really appreciate this post as a human, not just as an SI-er. Will make sure there is something logged for it as soon as FMM is out if Brocky hasn't already. Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rothordegilian Posted November 12, 2016 Author Share Posted November 12, 2016 17 hours ago, mikelfc8 said: You have just won my annual award for Top Dad of the Year.Your prize is a whole stackload of good vibes that I am sending you as we speak. Thanks mate. I can assure you that all 3 of them don't consider me to be Top Dad of the Year, especially when it comes to bedroom cleaning duty, but I appreciate the thoughts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleuk8 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 On 12/11/2016 at 02:24, Alari Naylor said: I've had a bad day and I really appreciate this post as a human, not just as an SI-er. Will make sure there is something logged for it as soon as FMM is out if Brocky hasn't already. Thank you.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 On 09/11/2016 at 18:14, mikelfc8 said: If it's about diversity, then let's start here and ensure the game reflects it's user base. If it's about realism, then let's start here and ensure the game reflects a real match day. If those two things coincide then all the better. It's really not difficult. Well said, and great to hear that Alari will get something logged. If there ever was a future request to see it removed, I'd be fairly confident that request would be denied Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted December 30, 2016 Administrators Share Posted December 30, 2016 Reviewed so locked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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