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[FM 17] If You’re Not First, You’re Last Redux – Redemption For The “Nearly Men” Of Europe


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4 hours ago, mjaferrie said:

Excellent article! 

 

4 hours ago, Keano16 said:

Great write up, very intriguing. 

Thanks, guys - it was a truly enjoyable set of tactics :D

Substantive update to follow later tonight.

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7 minutes ago, BoxToBox said:

Tell ya what, for a Yorkshire scruff, Bob sure gets about.

He was asked to leave Belgium, and not return. Since the warrants are still out for him in England...

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7 minutes ago, BoxToBox said:

I hear he gets about by being a shiphand on a boat belonging to some ABBA fans.

By the end of the night, he's typically tied to the mast. For his own safety.

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Who discovered we could get milk from cows, and what did he THINK he was doing at the time?!

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Monaco / Scotland

November 2051 Mini-Update

Suck it, Carragher.  I heard you snickering with little Mickey Owen on that hot mic, on Match of the Day.  Who's laughing now, yeah?

Just when it felt like the wheels were about to come off as we careened down the road...the tactics clicked and we turn it around.  What did I say?  Just keep your heads down, keep working, and stay the course  Stay the course we did, and it has all paid off.

Trust in me, lads.  I'll take you to the promised land.  Just ask the bairns at Hampden -- a solid qualifying campaign, in the end.

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The goal is the thing with the white sticks, lads.  You should try aiming for it next time.  Or, at the very least, not show up to the match completely and utterly ****ed.

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11 hours ago, ManUtd1 said:

And not in a way involving STDs.  

#HIsForHakan #TelleusFTW

Yet...

7 hours ago, ManUtd1 said:

Full Euro qualifying results for Sweden 2052:

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Turkey ended up being the odd-man-out in a tough Group D.  Sorry, @Keano16 - the Irish just couldn't get it done.  

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We should've called a 60 year old Robbie Brady out of retirement to get us through.

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4 hours ago, mjaferrie said:

:ackter:

We didn't have Scotland this time. ;)

30 minutes ago, Fer Fuchs Ake said:

Yet...

We should've called a 60 year old Robbie Brady out of retirement to get us through.

Don't forget the Wessiah. 

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3 hours ago, oriole01 said:

34 years on and Gibraltar still can't win games? Smh :(.

With the domestic league inactive, they'll pretty much remain the whipping boys. That goal difference is brutal... :(

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Who discovered we could get milk from cows, and what did he THINK he was doing at the time?!

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Monaco / Scotland

December 2051 Mini-Update

Yes!!!  The Champions League Matchday 1 loss to the Greeks is well in the rearview now, lads. Let them all count you out.  It makes victory all the more sweet.

Between you and me, Ludwig, we've got a lot of work to do.  Clovis and Rocha are too expensive to resign, and will depart on a free next summer.  That's two of our key goalscorers that we'll be saying goodbye to.  And the youth aren't quite up to snuff yet, with a need to bring in homegrown players...yes, things are promising at the moment, but there is work to be done.

In the meantime, we can plan for a trip to Valencia...always a dicey proposition in light of the ... unfortunate event ... with Shakira.  Regardless, water under the bridge at this point.

I'm looking forward to some downtime over the holidays in Switzerland...with Emma...I'm too old for this nonsense.

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Fenerbahce just ate **** with that draw.  The Glory That Is Leeds, Frankfurt and an up-and-coming powerhouse in Tours.  Brutal.

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Switzerland.  The bitter winter cold.  The promise of a new day, a true beginning.

I feel young again.  The anticipation of something...new.

Yet, the days have passed too quickly.  Lost in a haze of incredible wine.

We host Montpellier in 2 days.  Ludwig has taken training since the lads returned from holidays.  I have to get back.

I don't want to leave.

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On 2017-6-7 at 14:04, ManUtd1 said:

The goal is the thing with the white sticks, lads.  You should try aiming for it next time.  Or, at the very least, not show up to the match completely and utterly ****ed.

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Look at that domination in shots though with 54-3. The margin should of been 7 or 8-0 with those amount of shots.

 

Also how is my nation (Australia) going in this save.

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On 2017-6-7 at 01:15, ManUtd1 said:

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On 2017-6-7 at 01:25, BoxToBox said:

Tell ya what, for a Yorkshire scruff, Bob sure gets about.

Is Bob Hakan's professional stalker?

That French league table is so bizarre. PSG in serious danger of going down. :idiot: Saint-Etienne too, which is odd given the success you had with them earlier.

Great job with Scotland.

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7 hours ago, Keano16 said:

The money's run out in Paris eh?

 

3 hours ago, noikeee said:

That French league table is so bizarre. PSG in serious danger of going down. :idiot: Saint-Etienne too, which is odd given the success you had with them earlier.

Very much so.  Funding started scaling back in 2020, with another tycoon stepping in later (only to withdraw funding in 2042).  The rot set in shortly thereafter, and they've gone through a succession of awful managers ever since Tissoudali left.

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Other factors seem to include: (1) the rise of Saint-Etienne and Stade de Reims, somewhat close in time; (2) tycoons taking over for overlapping periods at Nantes (twice!) and Marseille in the 30s/40s -- even though neither side won anything of note, they hoovered up talent and prevented PSG's ostensible financial muscle from dominating the market; (3) the resurgence of Lyon (tycoon takeover in 2038 (withdrawn in 2047), which has led to a period of dominance, including winning Ligue 1 for the last 5 years and the CL in 2046; and (4) the recent emergence of Tours after a tycoon takeover in 2047. 

The same factors, coupled with the passage of time since Hakan left in 2037, haven't helped Saint-Etienne.  

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As you can see, they've remained competitive in Ligue 1 up until this year.  Massive shame to see them having fallen so far.

GNev has taken to calling PSG the new Liverpool, both for historical reasons and the fact that Liverpool has completely fallen off the table in-game, barely avoiding relegation twice in the last few years.

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To be fair, it isn't just PSG.  A handful of other big sides have also had periods of serious decline or struggle, including Bayern, Man City (Mansour left in 2045), Chelsea (Abramovic withdrew funding in 2021, left in 2028) and Real Madrid.  Spain is an odd one, given how far off the table they've fallen in the co-efficients (a steady 5th, behind Ligue 1, the Bundeliga, PL and Serie A for decades).  

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5 hours ago, HawkAussie said:

Look at that domination in shots though with 54-3. The margin should of been 7 or 8-0 with those amount of shots.

Also how is my nation (Australia) going in this save.

Exactly!  It was absolutely surreal...I swear my players were still either drunk or hungover from celebrating Euro qualification a few days earlier.

Australia had a solid period in the 40s where I hoped they might become eligible (after failing to qualify in 2030 and 2034.)  I would have loved it, but it didn't happen.  They've struggled a bit since.

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3 hours ago, noikeee said:

Is Bob Hakan's professional stalker?

He's just a benevolent, wayward soul with a penchant for the old ultraviolent.  Viddy well, little brother.  Viddy well.

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1 minute ago, Fer Fuchs Ake said:

Two consecutive 17th placed finishes. Liverpool are the new Sunderland.

Speaking of Sunderland...since they were relegated under Moyes in 2017, they've been mired in the Championship, only having played 4 seasons in the Premier League since.

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And, before you ask, I can't pull up Moyes' managerial history as it wasn't preserved.  Granted, there's only so much we want to see about his time as a "physio" in Africa, eh, @Benjoe?

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1 minute ago, ManUtd1 said:

Speaking of Sunderland...since they were relegated under Moyes in 2017, they've been mired in the Championship, only having played 4 seasons in the Premier League since.

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And, before you ask, I can't pull up Moyes' managerial history as it wasn't preserved.  Granted, there's only so much we want to see about his time as a "physio" in Africa, eh, @Benjoe?

Even that fuzzed out you can see Paddy's "what even is this life right now?!" face.

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1 minute ago, BoxToBox said:

Even that fuzzed out you can see Paddy's "what even is this life right now?!" face.

Pretty much the entire side had that look, at one time or another!  Hah!

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39 minutes ago, ManUtd1 said:

 

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Kylian Mbappé was an interim? How does his profile look? :lol: 

19 minutes ago, ManUtd1 said:

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And, before you ask, I can't pull up Moyes' managerial history as it wasn't preserved.  Granted, there's only so much we want to see about his time as a "physio" in Africa, eh, @Benjoe?

For now, there is not ANYTHING we want to see from Moyes, no. Still in rehab after some 'interesting' events in Africa. The scars can still be seen on Nelson's body and soul, however.

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1 minute ago, Benjoe said:

Kylian Mbappé was an interim? How does his profile look? :lol: 

Mbappe has been running around as an AssMan for a long time.  Currently at Saint-Etienne:

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19 minutes ago, ManUtd1 said:

Mbappe has been running around as an AssMan for a long time.  Currently at Saint-Etienne:

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Cheers! Did not foresee him staying all of his active career at Monaco - and the on top of that, NOT being staff with them at any point of his inactive career. Looks a decent coach, wouldn't want him as ass. man. though. 

Edit: Let me rephrase that. He is not a bad assman, I just feel better are around, and that he looks a really good technical coach. 

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4 minutes ago, Benjoe said:

Cheers! Did not foresee him staying all of his active career at Monaco - and the on top of that, NOT being staff with them at any point of his inactive career. Looks a decent coach, wouldn't want him as ass. man. though. 

Edit: Let me rephrase that. He is not a bad assman, I just feel better are around, and that he looks a really good technical coach. 

Agreed.  I've looked at him before, but never tried to sign him.

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Somehow I managed to overlook Rennes when talking about France earlier -- tycoon takeover in 2042, following by an upturn in their fortunes under Wee Wes:

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So, yet another complicating factor for PSG and Saint-Etienne.  

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Nice in 2026, which explains their rise (including a CL final appearance) and subsequent fall.

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Bottom line -- France has been an interesting place to be for the last 20-25 years.

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France have been very flamboyant! 

Also, firing Weezley after taking them to near dizzying heights for a couple of seasons just seems a bit.. ungrateful.

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3 minutes ago, Benjoe said:

France have been very flamboyant! 

Also, firing Weezley after taking them to near dizzying heights for a couple of seasons just seems a bit.. ungrateful.

No kidding, on both counts.  Weeebles was on the verge of making them eligible for the save, too.

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35 minutes ago, Lordemort said:

Can you check Panathinaikos's progress, them being a candicate club and all? :D

Ask and ye shall receive!

They've done about as well as one would expect:

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The odd thing being that their club competition history has them both playing in the 2nd tier...with no final place for the 2019/20, 2020/21 and 2021/22 seasons.  They weren't relegated -- they finished in the top 3 the first two years.  Olympiacos, PAS Giannina and Asteras have a similar issue.

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Extremely odd.  Not something I've seen before.  I've heard of data corruption in player histories (all of a sudden everyone has played for some random Belgian club), but haven't seen this before.

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2 minutes ago, ManUtd1 said:

The odd thing being that their club competition history has them both playing in the 2nd tier...with no final place for the 2019/20, 2020/21 and 2021/22 seasons.  They weren't relegated -- they finished in the top 3 the first two years.  Olympiacos, PAS Giannina and Asteras have a similar issue.

 

Was anyone playing in the top league during those years? Maybe those clubs were demoted for financial reasons and couldn't come back up for a few years?

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26 minutes ago, Fer Fuchs Ake said:

Would you mind showing us one of two of Ireland's best players?

2046 was their big chance, man.

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24 minutes ago, Fer Fuchs Ake said:

I wonder if Liverpool fans in your save now say “This is gonna be our year” in a foreboding way...

Still deluded as always.  This was taken at their home loss to Stoke on January 27, 2052:

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They still haven't won the league since 1990.

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