Marko1989 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Hi, i am playing with Pordenone, ( FM 2015 ) Italian C league and because of poor financial situation i must use my youth players. I have couple of players that just by looking on attributes might be good in the future but i'm not sure can they realy be good because they are no wonderkids or players with good potential. I am losing games when i use too many young players but i do that on purpose for the future, for them to gain expirience. So i need to know is that just waste of time and league points. Here is one example Coach report is that he can be good Serie C midfielder but that is not something good and i know he have 5 stars potential just because Pordenone is low reputation club. ( he is not regen this is first season ) So my question is, can players with no good potential turn to be good in the future if they play regulary? I know my English is bad but i hope you understand me, thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Your scouts opinion will change as the player develops.. from that screen, it is clear they have the potential to be probably better than anything you currently have by a good long way... So yes, developing them is a good idea, however, long term thinking for lower league sides should often be more about getting up to the higher leagues asap where the money to develop your club and players is found. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko1989 Posted January 15, 2017 Author Share Posted January 15, 2017 Scout opinion for this players changed already. In the beggining of my save this player had 3 starts potential ability then he scored two goals in two games and he know have almost five stars. Yes yes, i understand that i need to move to higher league and i have chance to move to Serie B immediately after the first season but i am affraid that i will have no money to bring players to avoid relegation in that league. So my plan is to stay in Serie C one more season on purpose just to develop more this youg players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby_McDonald Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 They can but it is difficult. I remember a long running save I had where I had a young player in League One who wasn't rated as anything special. He turned out to be my most reliable and versatile defender as I went up into the Championship and spent one season in the Premier League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rinso Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 remember the values given by the scouts and coaches are respective... if the coaches/scouts arent much good, then their reports wont be. But. also, the reports are just their OPINON. i've had players come through youth intakes that they tell me to discard that have gone on to be club legends... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 4 hours ago, rinso said: remember the values given by the scouts and coaches are respective... if the coaches/scouts arent much good, then their reports wont be. But. also, the reports are just their OPINON. i've had players come through youth intakes that they tell me to discard that have gone on to be club legends... I'm not disputing this, in fact I applaud it, but do you have any examples we could see? I often hear about people taking youth players with unremarkable potential ratings from staff and turning them into fantastic players, but I've never really seen before and after screenshots showing the process, and I would be very curious to so as to inform my own approach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko1989 Posted January 31, 2017 Author Share Posted January 31, 2017 Here is player from my first screenshot after one year, 32 games last season and he was most important midfielder for my promotion to Serie B even he was just 16 years old.. But he is not progressing well I have Fabio Castellano from Atalanta on loan. He is player with very good potential, same age like Francesco Cramaro but there is very big difference, his attributes are rapidly increasing and Cramaro is stagnating. It seems like it is realy diffucult to develop players like him Fabio Castellano Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 If he does not have any room left to grow in terms of the PA cap, then he cannot get better. The latter player looks like a much better prospect for the future, that is impressive growth. However, since you said he is one of your key players, it does not matter. If he is putting in performances, ignore his attributes (to some extent). Playing well makes them irrelevant to some extent anyway. I have made it a specialty to get the maximum out of limited players in most of the saves I play. If it is working, do not worry about him! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko1989 Posted January 31, 2017 Author Share Posted January 31, 2017 He is not my key player anymore since i was thinking if he cannot get any better, he will not be good enough for Serie A next season because i'm 1st in the Serie B now so i will get promoted again. But i will keep him and let him play sometimes just to see will he get any better If you think that is impressive growth, here is Castellano from my Sassuolo save, 20 years old Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nextqprmanager Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Determination is surely key Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puffascruffowitz Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I don't have screenshots but I had a 1.5 star potential 17 yr old. I didn't pay attention to him and planned on eventually releasing him, next thing I know he shot up in attributes and is one of my best youth players. He still wasn't quite good enough for first team so I sold him. He went on to score lots of goals and several against me. Taught me to keep an eye on all my players, sometimes they can just train really well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko1989 Posted January 31, 2017 Author Share Posted January 31, 2017 In which FM was that? This is FM 2015. I have never seen player with low potential to become that good. But i agree with nextqpr that determination is key. Atalanta in FM 2015 have four young players with high determination and all of them grow up to be world class players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Marko1989 said: In which FM was that? This is FM 2015. I have never seen player with low potential to become that good. But i agree with nextqpr that determination is key. Atalanta in FM 2015 have four young players with high determination and all of them grow up to be world class players Key to improving a player is still as it was - professionalism and ambition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko1989 Posted January 31, 2017 Author Share Posted January 31, 2017 But then those attributes should be visible. Because manager in real life can see if his player have high professionalism and ambition. For example, we all know that C Ronaldo is highly ambitious and for example how professional was J Zannetti. Maybe i can't explain well this on English but i think you get my point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Just now, Marko1989 said: But then those attributes should be visible. Because manager in real life can see if his player have high professionalism and ambition. For example, we all know that C Ronaldo is highly ambitious and for example how professional was J Zannetti. Maybe i can't explain well this on English but i think you get my point You can see a player's personality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko1989 Posted January 31, 2017 Author Share Posted January 31, 2017 Just now, HUNT3R said: You can see a player's personality. Yes, you are right, my bad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 5 hours ago, nextqprmanager said: Determination is surely key I'm a little confused by the relationship between determination and work rate in this regard. Always seems weird when a player is super determined to do well but wont work for it, or is willing to work really hard but cant seem to determine what for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 2 hours ago, HUNT3R said: Key to improving a player is still as it was - professionalism and ambition. Do scouts factor this in when making their reports? In other words, should we take their PA star rating and add personality on top of it when making our decisions or is that already included in the equation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soninho Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 49 minutes ago, Weston said: Do scouts factor this in when making their reports? In other words, should we take their PA star rating and add personality on top of it when making our decisions or is that already included in the equation? Don't think it's combined with star rating. I always add it on.. There can be players with the worst personality but highest PA I believe.. A risky business there.. But when I come to think about it hidden attributes may take away some CA. That should mean bad personality players will get higher attribute points if they have high PA..? If I'm not in the lowest leagues and can afford to be picky I always try to get a squad with good personality. Especially youngsters. Seems to develop best for me.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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