TM Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 What did everyone think of Ferguson's performance today? I thought he was our best player over the 90 minutes. Not hard really. He seemed to be at the centre of everything we did. Covered every blade of grass. One of his better performances. However, he should have been the first player up taking a spot kick. Setting the example to rest, instead, he took the cowards route. I thought again he was poor, not as bad as in Bremen but him and Hemdani have been drunk in the last two games it seems or something quite happy he didn't take a penalty tbh, I remember him missing 2 against Dundee in the 2003 treble year and I just thought he would have missed today - was happy to see Burke was off as well before them as he was almost certainly going to miss Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty_8 Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Originally posted by TM:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">What did everyone think of Ferguson's performance today? I thought he was our best player over the 90 minutes. Not hard really. He seemed to be at the centre of everything we did. Covered every blade of grass. One of his better performances. However, he should have been the first player up taking a spot kick. Setting the example to rest, instead, he took the cowards route. I thought again he was poor, not as bad as in Bremen but him and Hemdani have been drunk in the last two games it seems or something quite happy he didn't take a penalty tbh, I remember him missing 2 against Dundee in the 2003 treble year and I just thought he would have missed today - was happy to see Burke was off as well before them as he was almost certainly going to miss </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I was first to stick up for Barry after Bremen, but today his passing was just not good enough. He seemed to be trying, but it wasn't always happening for him. Same with Davis in first half although he gradually improved. Not worst player on park, but has played a lot better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacemaker7 Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 He just can't play that role. And with someone like McCulloch up front alone, it is so much harder because he does not have the mobility of Cousin/JCD. Walter needs to have a good hard look at his domestic tactics because it was clear for all to see we played so much better when we went 4-4-2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty_8 Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Originally posted by Peacemaker7:He just can't play that role. And with someone like McCulloch up front alone, it is so much harder because he does not have the mobility of Cousin/JCD. Walter needs to have a good hard look at his domestic tactics because it was clear for all to see we played so much better when we went 4-4-2. And also when Boyd was on the park Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Toner Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 What did everyone think of Ferguson's performance today? I thought he was our best player over the 90 minutes Barry Ferguson aye? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibroxhero Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 I think Barry needs a few weeks off, it's just that there's too many games for that to happen. It'd be interesting to see if he just needs a rest to get back to performing how he used too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Originally posted by ibroxhero:I think Barry needs a few weeks off, it's just that there's too many games for that to happen. It'd be interesting to see if he just needs a rest to get back to performing how he used too. certainly get the Partick QF off I reckon - just wonder if we might play Boyd in that as his confidence will be sky high right now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovenkrands01 Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Originally posted by Gary Toner:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">What did everyone think of Ferguson's performance today? I thought he was our best player over the 90 minutes Barry Ferguson aye? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I did say over the 90 mins Gary. Not much to choose from mind you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Toner Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 He wont play against Plastic Whistle so that'll be good for him and maybe give him a bench role against Hibs, Bring him on if needed. Start with Thomson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Toner Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Well true he wasn't the worst, Step forward Christophe Burke & Lee McCulloch to name 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibroxhero Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Originally posted by TM:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ibroxhero: I think Barry needs a few weeks off, it's just that there's too many games for that to happen. It'd be interesting to see if he just needs a rest to get back to performing how he used too. certainly get the Partick QF off I reckon - just wonder if we might play Boyd in that as his confidence will be sky high right now </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Hopefully in both cases. I shall be going to the match. Hoping to spot the lesser seen Fleck and the League Cup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty_8 Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Originally posted by Gary Toner:Well true he wasn't the worst, Step forward Christophe Burke & Lee McCulloch to name 2. Brahim Hemdani and Christian Dailly are in with a shout for that title Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovenkrands01 Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Originally posted by Gary Toner:Well true he wasn't the worst, Step forward Christophe Burke & Lee McCulloch to name 2. Name one single game where you've thought McCulloch has been MotM. I can't think of any. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacemaker7 Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Yup tbf I've tried to defend Burke in the past, he does have a great deal of talent but the harsh fact is he cannot turn it on week in week out and needs to be moved on along with his buddy Adam and quite a few others. I can see there being a fair bit of movement in the summer tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibroxhero Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Originally posted by lovenkrands01:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gary Toner: Well true he wasn't the worst, Step forward Christophe Burke & Lee McCulloch to name 2. Name one single game where you've thought McCulloch has been MotM. I can't think of any. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> There was a game at the startish of the season when he scored two, can't remeber who against. He's ok if played off the wing, just not up front Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibroxhero Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Originally posted by Peacemaker7:Yup tbf I've tried to defend Burke in the past, he does have a great deal of talent but the harsh fact is he cannot turn it on week in week out and needs to be moved on along with his buddy Adam and quite a few others. I can see there being a fair bit of movement in the summer tbh. Burke reminds me of Nuno Capucho, all the talent but no end product (and consistency) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Ter Posted March 16, 2008 SI Staff Share Posted March 16, 2008 Some game today. At times thought we had blown it and we were awful in the first half. Well done Kris Boyd though, fantastic goals. Roll on Wednesday! I'm off to read the match thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacemaker7 Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Originally posted by ibroxhero:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peacemaker7: Yup tbf I've tried to defend Burke in the past, he does have a great deal of talent but the harsh fact is he cannot turn it on week in week out and needs to be moved on along with his buddy Adam and quite a few others. I can see there being a fair bit of movement in the summer tbh. Tbf to Capucho though, he was a decent enough player in his day - Burke's never had his day. Burke reminds me of Nuno Capucho, all the talent but no end product (and consistency) </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovenkrands01 Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Charlie Adam is probably the best of a bad bunch of those players mentioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Toner Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Originally posted by ibroxhero:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peacemaker7: Yup tbf I've tried to defend Burke in the past, he does have a great deal of talent but the harsh fact is he cannot turn it on week in week out and needs to be moved on along with his buddy Adam and quite a few others. I can see there being a fair bit of movement in the summer tbh. Burke reminds me of Nuno Capucho, all the talent but no end product (and consistency) </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Falls down just as much too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacemaker7 Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Grrr, well you can see what I said anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 the thing that really frustrated me about Burke today was his reluctance to take on the man - I think it was Kalvanes? Dailly, Broadfoot and Davis all took him on at one point in the game and got the cross in Burke seemed to want to pass the ball back every time which shows a lack of confidence. With McCulloch, I didn't hear his name mentioned until the move where the Boyd first goal came from it must have been at least 25 minutes between his last touch before that as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibroxhero Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Originally posted by lovenkrands01:Charlie Adam is probably the best of a bad bunch of those players mentioned. The thing with Adam which I like is he tries to do the unexpected, whereas we have no one else to do that (Buffel & Gow spring to mind, but Walter rates neither's attitude). He seems to be working a bit harder of late, if only he had some pace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Toner Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 A stint at wieghtwatchers in the summer would benefit Charlie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacemaker7 Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Adam might be a decent player if he could run. No idea what Burke's problem is though, probably thinks he only has to turn up. He's not exactly a kid anymore, and quite honestly can't see he has much of a future at the top level as he is unlikely to improve much more. Shame, but thats life, get rid of him and find someone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty_8 Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Can Burke cut his hair now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Ter Posted March 16, 2008 SI Staff Share Posted March 16, 2008 The thing with Adam which I like is he tries to do the unexpected, whereas we have no one else to do that (Buffel & Gow spring to mind, but Walter rates neither's attitude). He seems to be working a bit harder of late, if only he had some pace. The problem with that is that he does it far to often and it doesn't come off, leaving us with bodies forward and everyone having to sprint back when he gives the ball away. He needs to get back to basics and improve his decision making. Try playing the simple ball more often rather than the complicated pass. Then he can more carefully pick his moment for the killer pass / shot when there is less danger of giving the ball away and putting his team under pressure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Ter Posted March 16, 2008 SI Staff Share Posted March 16, 2008 Originally posted by matty_8:Can Burke cut his hair now? No, we didn't lose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty_8 Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Originally posted by Ter:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by matty_8: Can Burke cut his hair now? No, we didn't lose. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Is that what it is? We lost to Bremen though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovenkrands01 Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Didn't lose the tie though. Technicality Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sav112 Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Originally posted by Gary Toner:Falls down just as much too I hate that, even worse when after they have went down under a light challenge they decide to go on the huff and stand with there arms up in the air while the other chap is off running at our goal…. It's like instead of the smart come back banners they should try one that actually means something, like a big one saying “laying on the ground after a girly tackle, Don’t be a burke!†Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 can't believe that he earns £10k+ a week tbh, I know we have Beasley to come back in the summer but I really hope this time we do go out and find somebody to be the creative source - preferrably on the right, although an AMC to play off 2 strikers would be acceptable as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty_8 Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Realistically, Who would you like to see playing the AMC role for Rangers next season. Who would you sign? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Toner Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Thomas Buffel with a heart and another 2 stone min. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovenkrands01 Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Jimmy Bullard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty_8 Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Jason Koumas? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Another day, the same comment: Biggest robbery since Brinks Mat. Good result, poor performance again. Altho it is thought by some to be a "diddy" cup, it is still silverware and for many of yesterdays team, it may have been their first trophy so I think it did mean a lot to most of the players. In truth, I didnt understand the starting lineup, altho what is to be expected from a team with 6 central defenders in it- hardly going to be cavalier football. The first half was shocking- Burke was lost on the left wing, always cutting inside and when he went to the right- always cutting inside?? He had no confidence in tryinmg to beat the fullback and was a complete waste of space. Ferguson was invisible for the most part ( 14 minutes to touch the ball in the first half ) and Hemdani was poor. McCulloch tries hard but is clearly not suited to a up front on his own role altho I am equally not sure where he is suited to. Boyd must really wonder what he has to do to get a game. I think that everyone accepts that he is also not good with his back to goal playing on his own, but surely there is a place and formation for a player with such a goalscoring record. Smith obviously rates Boyd about 5th in line for the starting lineup which is puzzling. Our greatest ever goalscorer, McCoist, wasnt a complete footballer either but took chances and scored lots because he had another forward up with him to provide chanceas and split the defence. I have said all along this season that we are crying out for a creative midfielder-not a ball winner as we have them but someone who can do something different when we do have the ball. I wonder also what Buffel has to do to get a game- maybe on Wednesday? 1 down, 3 to go! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Ter Posted March 17, 2008 SI Staff Share Posted March 17, 2008 The rumours about Buffel are that we'll have to pay £300k or thereabouts if he plays one or two more matches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi-Wan Kenobi Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Originally posted by Ter:The rumours about Buffel are that we'll have to pay £300k or thereabouts if he plays one or two more matches. Surely with all the money we've been pulling in that can't be the reason why we're not playing him? Dunno why we bother with such clauses since we always seem to wince out when it gets near time to paying up. IE, the Ball situation a few years back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Ter Posted March 17, 2008 SI Staff Share Posted March 17, 2008 I'm sure the thinking is why bother paying up when we're trying to get the player out the door. The fact is if Buffel dropped his wage demands then he would have left Rangers a long time ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Would he not be more sellable and worth more if he was playing? He is worth he-haw at the momnet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Ter Posted March 17, 2008 SI Staff Share Posted March 17, 2008 Would he not be more sellable and worth more if he was playing? He is worth he-haw at the momnet He's got the same problem as Gow where he's so far down the pecking order it's hard to get a chance to show what you can do. It's not easy as well when all you have to show is playing in the reserves and training. Our reserves were 4-1 down to Celtic at half time this afternoon (Gow was playing) In other news, Barry Ferguson will be seeing a specialist tomorrow about an ongoing problem he has been playing through and it's good to hear that he won't play on Wednesday against Partick Thistle. Might go some way to explaining his recent poor performances. I think we could afford to give Barry an extended rest with Thomson coming back into the team with Davis and Hemdani there as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo22 Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Originally posted by Obi-Wan Kenobi:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ter: The rumours about Buffel are that we'll have to pay £300k or thereabouts if he plays one or two more matches. Surely with all the money we've been pulling in that can't be the reason why we're not playing him? Dunno why we bother with such clauses since we always seem to wince out when it gets near time to paying up. IE, the Ball situation a few years back. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I dont believe that we have a clause like that in the contract. Buffel has played 80 odd games for us, so its not like he's on 99 or something like that. I think its a simple case of Smith thinking hes not good enough or he's not the type of midfielder he's looking for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacemaker7 Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 When does Buffel's contract expire? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo22 Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Originally posted by Peacemaker7:When does Buffel's contract expire? The end of the 08/09 season. Signed a 4 1/2 yr contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacemaker7 Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Well if we have to pay his wages for another year and a half, may as well try and play him, might be the link to the striker we need. Doubt it, but worth a shot when Barry's out with his sore foot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNeil Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Oh dear, anyone see the paper today in the phone in section (daily record) http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/comment/sport-comment/2008...line-86908-20354889/ Jim Henderson, Kilmarnock, said: "Rangers rode their luck and so did the fans with some of their songs."There's more chance of Gretna winning the Champions League than the authorities clamping down on them." John Hansen, Stirling, said: "Why were Rangers fans allowed to drape huge flags with the Red Hand of Ulster over the top tier of the main stand? "Where were the police and stewards and what does the Red Hand have to do with Scottish football?" Dear me, some of the nonsence people throw out is beyond belief, the Nothern Ireland flag (Red Hand one) happens to be the flag of Steve Davis home country, and a flag which is part of the UK, you would think they would show a little bit of common sence, and as for the song, i didnt hear TBB being sung, and it is the only song offensive, the United fans sung their version, but we at no time sung TBB during the game, so therefor they have nothing to clamp down on us for. We can feel your pain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Flying the red hand flag for Steve Davis Doesnt offend me in the slightest but that reasoning just made me laugh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovenkrands01 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Or the fact that hundreds and some cases, thousands of people travel from Northern Ireland each week to watch Rangers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNeil Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Originally posted by Anton:Flying the red hand flag for Steve Davis Doesnt offend me in the slightest but that reasoning just made me laugh. I know a couple that do it mate, and i also said about it being part of the UK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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