VV Bal op de Lat Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Since 4312 seems to be a very powerful formation in fm 16 and 17 I was wondering: is this formation a typical FM-formation? I can't think of any real life team that uses this formation and I'm very curious about it. It's not my intention to criticise the ME or anybody who uses this formation in FM, but I for myself just can't stand the idea of using this formation to great succes in FM when there is no team in real life who ever uses this formation, let alone has any succes with it. Maybe it's just me and because of the fact that I live in the Netherlands and almost all teams play 41221 over here, but I've never seen any team play this formation in real life. With the above in mind I was hoping to start a little discussion about the 4312: does it exist in real life? Which teams are using it? Or is this simply a popular FM formation because it is easy to get results from it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kcinnay Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Mourinho used it with great succes at Porto and Inter, for example.http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/03/08/teams-of-the-decade-3-porto-2002-04/ http://www.italianfootballdaily.com/calcio-tactics-through-time-jose-mourinhos-inter-milan-2008-10/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxToBox Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Juventus used it a bit the last few seasons. Man Utd too at times under Van Gaal, but if you want to be really strict, that's probably more of a classic diamond, not that there's much between them. That said, the only real difference between Van Gaal's diamond and his 3-4-1-2 was Carrick sitting about 5 yards deeper as a centre back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 the formation exists in real life but it isn't as popular as in FM since in real life teams defend much better than in FM where flooding the midfield equals possession dominance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VV Bal op de Lat Posted April 20, 2017 Author Share Posted April 20, 2017 10 hours ago, Kcinnay said: Mourinho used it with great succes at Porto and Inter, for example.http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/03/08/teams-of-the-decade-3-porto-2002-04/ http://www.italianfootballdaily.com/calcio-tactics-through-time-jose-mourinhos-inter-milan-2008-10/ 10 hours ago, BoxToBox said: Juventus used it a bit the last few seasons. Man Utd too at times under Van Gaal, but if you want to be really strict, that's probably more of a classic diamond, not that there's much between them. That said, the only real difference between Van Gaal's diamond and his 3-4-1-2 was Carrick sitting about 5 yards deeper as a centre back. Interesting Mourinho and van Gaal both used it, gonna give those articles a read. 2 hours ago, MBarbaric said: the formation exists in real life but it isn't as popular as in FM since in real life teams defend much better than in FM where flooding the midfield equals possession dominance. This is where I was a bit afraid for when thinking about this formation and using it in FM. I don't like to 'abuse' the ME with a in real life not much used formation. But I guess I may be wanting to play the game more realistically then is realistic () Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxToBox Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Thinking about it since, I remember Man Utd using it under Sir Alex too, not regularly, but situationally when he wanted to control the midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmattb28 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 AC Milan have deffo used it with Pirlo Gattuso & Seerdorf as the 3, Kaka as the 1 and Inzhagi and Shevchenko up front. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bambos04 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Sampdoria and uses 4-3-1-2 IRL, Maurizio Sarri started his Serie A career with it, he wanted to employ it at Napoli too, but his players were too much 4-3-3 oriented and he decided to switch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandersson Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 certainly still popular in serie A. Sampdoria, Cagliari, Empoli and Chievo regularly use this formation, Torino has recently switched to 4-3-1-2 as well. Also, Allegri and Sarri have always used 4-3-1-2 as their preferred formation in the past (Cagliari, Milan, Empoli) though they're now using different formations at Juventus and Napoli (they did try to use a 4-3-1-2 there too but soon changed to get the best out of players available). btw personally don't feel 4-3-1-2 to be that overpowered in FM, the three man midfield certainly is but the AMC not so much imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VV Bal op de Lat Posted April 20, 2017 Author Share Posted April 20, 2017 Oh wow, there's a world of tactics opening in front of my eyes, lol. I never knew this formation was actually used in real life, certainly not this much! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rashidi Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Historically the 4312 is a Latin American system that originated with the use of the brilliant Juan Roman Riquelme, Argentina used it in the past, it did go away for a while but then came back big in the last few years, and is now a popular variant against the 4231. And like many have suggested this system is widely used in Italy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish18ish Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Paul Lambert used it to great success at Norwich from 2009-2012, although it could be argued that it was a diamond. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhhScottySinclair Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Brendan Rodgers used a similar shape with Liverpool at one point the year they finished second. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PonjaConRulos Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 In Argentina it was really popular in the past (from 80s until mid 2000s), but it was a wide diamond and you needed to have an enganche. Without Riquelme, Aimar or D'Alessandro it became pointless. In 2014 Gallardo's River Plate won the Sudamericana with a 4-3-1-2 with Pisculichi as an enganche, but in the Libertadores he used a 4-4-2 because Piscu couldn't keep his level so high. (He was already 30) I don't think I can explain an Argentinian 4-3-1-2. It's almost impossible to make in FM. It's like you'd have wide midfielders attacking like wingers and defending like CMs. In the FM way, I remember the 2015 Juventus: Marchisio, Pirlo, Vidal and Pogba. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemeuresnew Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 4 hours ago, PonjaConRulos said: I don't think I can explain an Argentinian 4-3-1-2. It's almost impossible to make in FM. It's like you'd have wide midfielders attacking like wingers and defending like CMs. sounds like an old 'inside right/left' think a John Barnes kinda player, that would try to do his bit in midfield by pressuring more than tackling so generally more central due to how teams generally try to keep the ball in the middles. then when he had it you didnt know if he was gona be around the back of the defence or roam in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyyak Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Is anyone able to share their success with a 4-3-1-2 on this rendition of the game? I've tried a number of times without success and the OP's suggestion that it's a 'very powerful formation' on this game strikes me as a bit of a surprise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dojoneil Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 There's a section on the 4-3-1-2 in here: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VV Bal op de Lat Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 What a great video, thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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