roggiotis Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 3430 Counter is the best tactic in this version of FM, i am sure it can work with 3STs also ( F9 -Treq- F9) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 10, 2017 Author Share Posted September 10, 2017 Try BLUE MATTER 343 for Home games as it has 3STs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibro46 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 which tactic is the best of the knaps ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 10, 2017 Author Share Posted September 10, 2017 GOODBYE 3430 was the best independently tested tactic over 180 games. The testing has now finished but I self tested GOODVYE DIRECT 3430 and in the sub top category this was better than WOF 3430. If you have a star fwd not suited to ba a CAM then use 3421. JJOURNEYMAN 3421 also was top 5 in the independent testing. A lot of users have found BLUE MATTER to be a high scoring Home tactic and can be used with any of above as an away tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 15, 2017 Author Share Posted September 15, 2017 Tweaked Winger 343 tactic 59b80a9630ec6_GOODBYE343.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 Recently posted with a tip to try Earlier today I showed a screenshot of zero conceedes in 18 matches as a question in another thread - Someone said I was teasing & someone said the screenshot is fake - I documented the rest of the season in my friends Skype Chat - If anyone should be annoyed its him I believe that some of the guys however thought I was about to present a new tactic - I'm gonna dissapoint people if that is the expectation - I am gonna present to you what happened however - I will also tell you the secret or some might call it magic This is the Ajax story continued with Goodbye 3430 - Counter Version - 20/21 season24 matches playedClick here to view the original image of 800x285px.25 matches playedClick here to view the original image of 800x337px.72 matches won in a rowClick here to view the original image of 800x155px.26 matches playedClick here to view the original image of 800x339px.27 matches playedClick here to view the original image of 800x382px.28 matches playedClick here to view the original image of 800x279px.29 matches playedClick here to view the original image of 800x371px.30 matches playedClick here to view the original image of 800x403px.31 matches playedClick here to view the original image of 800x418px.32 matches playedClick here to view the original image of 800x452px.33 matches playedClick here to view the original image of 800x502px.34 matches playedClick here to view the original image of 800x510px.CH League Final - Stadium Santiago Bernaneu - VS Real MadridClick here to view the original image of 800x322px.Damn so close to go ZERO conceedes in the league - we failed in the end - but somehow it cannot be counted as a fail - We won all trophy's possible - I'll take that and then somebody can try and beat the defensive record in the meantime The Final League Table - CombinedClick here to view the original image of 800x280px.So what did I do? - What really was the secret? Training All Season Long - Rinse & Repeat Click here to view the original image of 800x86px.Normally - I would go team cohesion for the most of it - I only did that in preseason and then the above recipe - which is not really a trick - But keeping it at Tactics might seem a bit weird since I'm already fluid - This is by the way something I also saw back in fm13 other people did - So I went for it - I do feel that if you go either defensive positioning or attacking movement something renders in the match stats and in play - I feel you become worse defensively if you go attacking movement and I feel a bit on edge doing that - if I go defensive positioning which has been my preferred style for a while - I feel solid but my players seems to be inefficient - both styles have negative effects somehow - and I know it sounds really crazy me saying this becourse match preparation shouldn't have that big effect - maybe its just superstition - but it worked and I want you to try it and see what happens in your game - atleast for a season This could ofcourse be my 1st 11 that did all this and rendered the match preparation useless anyway 1st 11Quaia is a tall regent simular to someone Tall and strong Click here to view the original image of 800x307px.I like to have quicker BPD left and right - and then a Tall man in the middle with lots of anticipation decision and concentration - bonus if he's quick too. The others you should know - the star wingback Semedo got sold - so I used Troupee a dutch wingback in game instead - not a big name - but he's ok. I will say though - I have a feeling that you can successfully retrain wingers like Mbappe or someone who is good at finishing and get more goals out of your WB's - you should experiment with that. Shadows are quality regents no point in showing them - they are decent - To reflect Vietto do better though. I think the BWM are very important here - Walace is a quality one of those - linking defence and the transition phase very well - I know for a fact though you can be very successful with a creative dlp type in this position and if they have a great longshot I will not say no to that The Dutch League - The Portuguese League and all of the Small Leagues - are ofcourse not the most intimidating with a solid tactic & quality players Guys I apoligize for the teasing - I just wanted to show you the incredible pictures with the 2 goals conceeded in the league - And just to set things straight - this Ajax team conceeded all together in all competitions 7 goals - further they are also still on a winning streak obviously - I don't know how many it is now - didn't count it and I didn't see any updates on it - but we haven't lost so - I'm totally bragging haha! - ####Now that's how to troll#### If you Like This Post (Hypnotizing) - Like It - if you don't - True Colors Revealed Try this with other tactics as well and see what happens Cheers Guys - Peace 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 3421 using match training all season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 GOODBYE ATTACK B ¬!FM17.3.1GOODBYE3430ATTP102_60113D46-9C40-4ED8-A608-FD193B8C4DAA.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
liamgriffiths85 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) Downloaded the 3430 direct and won 4-1 in my first game! is this the best tactic for LL you think? Question, what would be the best playing against better teams at home and away? and cup finals? Edited September 17, 2017 by liamgriffiths85 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 I have seen a post of FC United in the national league win the FA Cup against Arsenal, with GOODBYE, have the screenshot somewhere. Most consider DIRECT a good away tactic and for goals BLUE MATTER 433, but I still consider GOODBYE 3430 or 3421 the best overall tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 Cup run! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnyBee Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Hello Knap! Wonderful tactics again..I play fm touch..can you tell me and help me with some photos for team and player instructions will use for 3-4-3-0 counter version??thanks again👍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 Screenshots on page 1 for FM Touch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnyBee Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Thanks Knap!I use your flexible\standard 3-4-3-0 version with 13 team instructions!!Sk(A),wing back(left/rignt-support),bpd(st-cv-st),bwm(s),bbm(s),ssa(left/rignt-attack),attacking midfielder(support) in the middle!!I use this 1Season in premier league with liverpool and i finish first,go to the final in facup,4-knockoutstage in champions league!!You think the counter 3-4-3-0 is better??Thanks for the advice!Continue the good work! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 26, 2017 Author Share Posted September 26, 2017 GOODBYE AM Flexible version B¬!FM17.3.1GOODBYE3430THP102AMP105_C9539263-470D-414C-B37D-2C74B3CFBE40.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickZombie Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Switching the direct 106 point version to flexible is going well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roggiotis Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 you can make 3430 even better by moving the central CD to HB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 Better than the Barcelona tactics? Any PIs or just a move up. Trying to make a wide diamond atm which will be well off pace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roggiotis Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Barcelona is 4231, i mean better than 3430 , PI=pass it shorter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 Did I not post the other tactics, will have to check my saves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) I was looking for High scoring but GOODBYE 3430 was 108 pts, but I also did a WOF 23230 tactics B¬FM17.3.1KnapWOF23230P108_FEEB89B5-F0BD-4B70-84D1-573D6AFA8E9F.fmf B¬FM17.3.1KnapWOF23230P109_09972BBF-C752-465F-BA65-F0E56D928BBD.fmf Edited September 28, 2017 by knap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) WOF CB to HB BB¬FM17.3.1KnapWOF23230THP104F143_3D80D18D-3DF3-4B53-AF6B-1032771BF5C3.fmf Edited September 29, 2017 by knap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballManager89 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Do you recommend any tactics with wingers and a striker? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickZombie Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, knap said: WOF CB to HB Is it a good idea to add this HB tweak to the 3223 direct goodbye tactic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roggiotis Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 48 minutes ago, QuickZombie said: Is it a good idea to add this HB tweak to the 3223 direct goodbye tactic? i think you should try if you have a good choice in DM position. End of the season i think i retrain some defenders in the libero position to try a stopper-libero-stopper Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 Not sure yet and depends what team and whether looking at high scoring. The WOF is now on attack rather than std or counter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 Need Martino for libero. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roggiotis Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, knap said: Need Martino for libero. Martino ? Who is Martino ? Edited September 29, 2017 by roggiotis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 He does tactics with libero wide target men etc, all the more unusual roles. I know he used one of my tactics with a libero, so can be done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roggiotis Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, knap said: He does tactics with libero wide target men etc, all the more unusual roles. I know he used one of my tactics with a libero, so can be done. So if someone uses your tactics and change one role then is ''his '' tactics ? i thought Martino was a FM player (libero) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 Tactic added although WOF 23230 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 Strikerless is probably best formation this year. I still post the usual 4231 451 442 tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardhck Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 hi knap, regarding 3430 , with 65% possession, 20+ shot on target , needs a goal. should i do some changes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted October 1, 2017 Author Share Posted October 1, 2017 Highest scoring tactic id BLUE MATTER 433,so worth a try. I did some testing by using a rubbish tactic in 1st half so I needed a comeback and found pushing up and going defensive 9look after ball) to be most effective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyHills87 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 On 29/09/2017 at 19:35, knap said: Strikerless is probably best formation this year. I still post the usual 4231 451 442 tactics. sorry to ask, you've probs been asked this millions of times, out of the strikerless tactics you've done which one is the go to tactic, iv been looking and the new strikerless tactics looks like the one's with the half-back...can you include the tactic in a file which one you think it is, cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted October 1, 2017 Author Share Posted October 1, 2017 GOODBYE 3430 is not the highest scoring tactic, works as an underdog tactic, and still made 108 pts with Barcelona, so still the most balanced tactic. If you prefer the HB role rather than DLP then use the HB, and Spurs is a bit harder test than Barcelona. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyHills87 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 15 minutes ago, knap said: GOODBYE 3430 is not the highest scoring tactic, works as an underdog tactic, and still made 108 pts with Barcelona, so still the most balanced tactic. If you prefer the HB role rather than DLP then use the HB, and Spurs is a bit harder test than Barcelona. thanks for the reply, the 2 tactics ill be using then is goodbye 3430 from the OP, and the WOF with the HB role, probs 3430 atm since my team isnt the best yet, once it gets good the WOF with the HB seems the best for a team with stronger players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyrh94 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Knap, what do you do for team talks? I've been thinking i might start doing them myself lately as im sure it'll bring better results and a little more fun being slightly more involved Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share Posted October 17, 2017 I just use AM as less potential to go wrong and hundreds of team talks would numb the mind more than the Scotch. There are guides and the Ferguson approach but no harm in trying your own approach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfg Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Knap, I've been using 2323 for two seasons, no losts, and the last season this is what I have achieved! for me the best tactic you have. The only thing I think is missing is some guidence in terms of player attributes for each position according with players instructions. Finding good SS is challenging. Great work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 I use attribute masking so no player filters. Also I like a little bit of variety, so with Spurs Lamela, Alli, Eriksen and Kane can all play the SS role (Kane needs a little retaining to SS. I use this with Dulwich Hamlet and you can pick players that work at SS. They do not have to be completely green and I often use players that are red especially at WB. Good players are really all I look for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfg Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Thanks for reply. After some time I was able to "transform" Gelson Martins into an great SS. When you look for SS after all the main attribute will always be good finishing, something like 15 or over, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 Eriksen scores many goals with finishing of 14, although Kane will score more with finishing of 16. Lamela does well with just 13. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfg Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 One question, how are you training the midfielders, CM and DM? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted October 25, 2017 Author Share Posted October 25, 2017 I leave training to AM, but I tend to prefer a defensive MC and attacking MC but both supply so dlp or AP can work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hulkster79 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Well, you Sir are a genius, I've switched to this and gone about 20 games without a defeat. How can WOF give such poor results (for a 'lesser team') for so little changes, Also its hard to figure out the AI, Like I mentioned before we came second in the league, and we finished in semi final of champions league, and still WOF isn't a valid tactic? Maybe FM17 is more player ability oriented, then I thought. If I win the league with this tactic, My question is will I have to change to WOF, Or wait until my squad improved. Judging by the success of this tactic, I believe in the latter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 30, 2017 Author Share Posted November 30, 2017 GOODBYE will work for top sides. If you get to Barcelona level then I did a specific tactic GOODBYE 4231 although FM 17 BLUE MATTER was top scorer with 177 goals in 38 games. Could try these other tactics in home games if not getting results at home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchMike Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Knap do you have a 3430 for FM18 that I've missed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SchMike Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Cheers, somehow i missed it. Be interesting to see if it works with top teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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