pietroaps Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Hello everyone. I have discussed privately my modest changes on knap's tactics with the author himself over the last few weeks. I consider the tactics his, and have been very wary of publishing anything. I commend him for the quality and dedication of his work. My concept in FM has been to try to push forward the 4231 model, with the concept that you can adapt pretty much every player/position into the tactic, including lateral attacking midfielders. However, you all know 1 striker formations have been very challenging this year. To me, the central attacking midfielder is not intended to be a "number 10" (in my opinion, as of 2018 that role does not translate too well onto the pitch against cultured defensive midfielders), or to serve an offensive organizer, but rather use the position to retain defensive midfielders in defensive movement and create overlaps with the other ofensive positions, to create but also to finish. The 4231 shape is therefore easily ("fluidly") volatile, and I have applied the name CHIMERA to these tactics, as they mimic, at times, shapes of 442/4222, 433/451, and even 23131. You can check the previous iterations on mrL tactics forum searching for "chimera". They were based mostly on knap's WOF principles - paused, intelligent, offensive play probing through the middle with overlaps. The football played is quite beautiful to watch and the results of the tactics were interesting as a whole, as they qualified among the best 4231s (~55), even though with competitive limitations. Midsomer 442 is somewhat an anomaly. Outside of 3 striker formations, and along with its "cousin" VOLMEZ, it is clearly the best tactic to come out this year. It is very offensive on the perimeter, and the two F9 (support), along with a stable centre midfield, create a functional network along the pitch and a sea of potential finishers. Furthermore, with closer lines and the slightly higher defensive line, its so compact that the defensive disadvantage is lost. If you like to play 2 striker, stop here :). Midsomer Chimera is simply: 1. pushing ahead the wingmen to wingers: I was reluctant at first as you lose defensive positioning and they cannot close inside, but they offer the verticality and the crossing; in my opinion, one of the problems with IFs AND the CAM position on the same tactic is that they become redundant and dysfunctional, particularly in narrow formations (that's why 451 formations work better in that aspect); with the wingers on narrow, they are not that outside (inside game) but flow into vertical outside channels, and frequently come inside to finish (more if the PPM/preferred foot says so). 2. 1 F9 and 1 CAM on attack: this setup is worse defensively, as they fall on the same space, but offensively they work very well. The result is a very offensively effective formation, that can be brutally overwhelming if you are the same level / better squad. By definition, it can be exposed easily if you are not. You can see on my Milan save (average PA 167, two formations on full rotation game in, game out) - that's when i suggested this might be an ok tactic. In response to knap (I'm very happy he decided to try it), I actually started some tests, but I would like others to try it, if possible, as I lack time. I always feel knap could improve these. You can find attached the first test I did, with MU on holiday (I know it's a bogus method, but it is what it is) and the first games of my Arsenal save (not significant, as I'm sure I will encounter problems as I play away to the big 6). Please feel free to comment. Midsomer Chimera.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietroaps Posted July 21, 2018 Author Share Posted July 21, 2018 (Included CA/PA so you know it's really poor flawed Arsenal - I like them, though...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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knap Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 I added a few versions based on MIDSOMER CHIMERA with a SUS. FM18.3.4Midsomer Chimera4231P100ALLCUPS.fmf FM18.3.4Midsomer Chimera4231P101.fmf FM18.3.4Midsomer Chimera4231P101SUS.fmf FM18.3.4Midsomer Chimera4231P100ALLCUPSTH.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smogfart Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 @knap what is the difference between ALLCUPS and P101? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 I probably just changed passing/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calimero80 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Hi Knap. Defensive midfielder support - Deeplying playmaker instead of anchor man and s. volante? Sorry my english. Target man support instead of F9? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 The tactics posted tend to be the optimum role choice. I would ignore roles and base suitable players around positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
omrgul Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 22 hours ago, pietroaps said: Hello everyone. I have discussed privately my modest changes on knap's tactics with the author himself over the last few weeks. I consider the tactics his, and have been very wary of publishing anything. I commend him for the quality and dedication of his work. My concept in FM has been to try to push forward the 4231 model, with the concept that you can adapt pretty much every player/position into the tactic, including lateral attacking midfielders. However, you all know 1 striker formations have been very challenging this year. To me, the central attacking midfielder is not intended to be a "number 10" (in my opinion, as of 2018 that role does not translate too well onto the pitch against cultured defensive midfielders), or to serve an offensive organizer, but rather use the position to retain defensive midfielders in defensive movement and create overlaps with the other ofensive positions, to create but also to finish. The 4231 shape is therefore easily ("fluidly") volatile, and I have applied the name CHIMERA to these tactics, as they mimic, at times, shapes of 442/4222, 433/451, and even 23131. You can check the previous iterations on mrL tactics forum searching for "chimera". They were based mostly on knap's WOF principles - paused, intelligent, offensive play probing through the middle with overlaps. The football played is quite beautiful to watch and the results of the tactics were interesting as a whole, as they qualified among the best 4231s (~55), even though with competitive limitations. Midsomer 442 is somewhat an anomaly. Outside of 3 striker formations, and along with its "cousin" VOLMEZ, it is clearly the best tactic to come out this year. It is very offensive on the perimeter, and the two F9 (support), along with a stable centre midfield, create a functional network along the pitch and a sea of potential finishers. Furthermore, with closer lines and the slightly higher defensive line, its so compact that the defensive disadvantage is lost. If you like to play 2 striker, stop here :). Midsomer Chimera is simply: 1. pushing ahead the wingmen to wingers: I was reluctant at first as you lose defensive positioning and they cannot close inside, but they offer the verticality and the crossing; in my opinion, one of the problems with IFs AND the CAM position on the same tactic is that they become redundant and dysfunctional, particularly in narrow formations (that's why 451 formations work better in that aspect); with the wingers on narrow, they are not that outside (inside game) but flow into vertical outside channels, and frequently come inside to finish (more if the PPM/preferred foot says so). 2. 1 F9 and 1 CAM on attack: this setup is worse defensively, as they fall on the same space, but offensively they work very well. The result is a very offensively effective formation, that can be brutally overwhelming if you are the same level / better squad. By definition, it can be exposed easily if you are not. You can see on my Milan save (average PA 167, two formations on full rotation game in, game out) - that's when i suggested this might be an ok tactic. In response to knap (I'm very happy he decided to try it), I actually started some tests, but I would like others to try it, if possible, as I lack time. I always feel knap could improve these. You can find attached the first test I did, with MU on holiday (I know it's a bogus method, but it is what it is) and the first games of my Arsenal save (not significant, as I'm sure I will encounter problems as I play away to the big 6). Please feel free to comment. Midsomer Chimera.fmf Great insight! Thanks for sharing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tengritau Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 On 21.07.2018 at 15:05, knap said: I added a few versions based on MIDSOMER CHIMERA with a SUS. FM18.3.4Midsomer Chimera4231P100ALLCUPS.fmf FM18.3.4Midsomer Chimera4231P101.fmf FM18.3.4Midsomer Chimera4231P101SUS.fmf FM18.3.4Midsomer Chimera4231P100ALLCUPSTH.fmf I play with Tottenham ... which one should I use? which is more successful? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Spurs are very awkward this year (last year they were my best test team) and the best results tend to be with GOODBYE 343. From the above I would try the ALLCUPSTH Tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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