hm86 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Bothan Spy said: Yeah I've been persevering with 4231 and the opposition still seem to be creating a lot of chances and getting in past my defence. I've lowered the DL slightly in the hope of remedying it. Worked in the next match but too early to tell. 4231 still needs tweaking though. Which one are you using. I think I'll need to try settling with one and making adjustments. The thing is I am not in anyway tactical, I just enjoy the game and have always had to rely on plug and play tactics due to time constraints with children and work etc. 1 hour ago, knap said: I'm sure you will get better results using say Sympathy 442 and just use the players you want in that formation. I don't doubt that but its hard to get IFs (right foot on left / left foot on right) to work properly in a 442 :(. 1 hour ago, Filer974 said: Yes I found how to make this 4231 effective. I made readjustments of and DL and LOE and I put positive mentality. Since all is well for united. It's very solid defensively Which tactic are you using again? I might have a look at both yours and @Bothan Spy tactics to see if I can make either work. Thanks for all the replies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 11, 2019 Author Share Posted December 11, 2019 Try DL From Much Higher to Higher then add change LOE from Much Higher to Higher then add change Attacking to Positive Just see what you prefer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filer974 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Do you want i put a link of my tactic for you ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandersson Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) Sicilian 442 (20.2) in brazilian third division: Both strikers scoring at good rate (no penalties), typically missing lots of one on ones after long balls. Long throw-ins also provided a few goals, while short corner kicks didn't look very effective despite high number of corners (also lots of off-sides from those) so maybe some room for improvement here. I think most knap's tactics will massively overachieve as long as you don't use one with AMC (or AM in general). Feels a lot like FM 19 match engine (not great if you ask me). Edited December 11, 2019 by kandersson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knas Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Filer974 said: Do you want i put a link of my tactic for you ? Yes please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 11, 2019 Author Share Posted December 11, 2019 So far a re run of FM 19 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm86 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 30 minutes ago, knap said: Try DL From Much Higher to Higher then add change LOE from Much Higher to Higher then add change Attacking to Positive Just see what you prefer Excellent thank you Knap, appreciate your response and everything you put into these tactics and this forum. 9 minutes ago, Filer974 said: Do you want i put a link of my tactic for you ? I'd appreciate that, yeah please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filer974 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 These are the changes made and my results. I even got the first place. All the credit goes to Knap tweak filerknap.fmf 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm86 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, Filer974 said: These are the changes made and my results. I even got the first place. All the credit goes to Knap tweak filerknap.fmf 44.71 kB · 3 downloads Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stupardejan7 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 What tactics do you suggest for ac monaco? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivoensousa Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Hi there @knap, how are you mate? Im thinking use FM20.2BEOWULF442WAFKnapP107ALLCUPS at home with an underdog of Portugal with DL from Much Higher to Higher and LOE from Much Higher to Higher. At away games im thinking use FM20.2SICILIAN442DLKnapP101ALLCUPS with DL from Much Higher to Higher and LOE from Much Higher to Higher too. What you think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warszawa Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 11 hours ago, andre62 said: @White Europe any advice for home or away games with your tweak tactic? its not my tweak.... try changing mentality d line and LOE etc.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 11, 2019 Author Share Posted December 11, 2019 P 107 442 is a top team tactic , so home only should work. Best underdog tactic is Argus 352 nut Sicilian P101 could work and has a dropped D Line Tactics in green on list are the highly recommended from testing. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warszawa Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, Marcus N. said: What tweak? https://community.sigames.com/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=272029 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom19720930 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 17 hours ago, White Europe said: i like that little tweaks... love that 1-0, 2-0 results, much more than 5-3 or 4-2 FM20SympathyforthedevilKnapAndDavy CONTROL lowDL LOE.fmf 44.95 kB · 143 downloads First game with this tweak ,I know it's friendly and against amateur team but I think it's my highest win in FM last years even in friendlies 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kireby Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 I'm doing well with FM20SympathyforthedevilKnapZaipvol2442P103ECCC using instant result. Only 1 lose in 25 games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren77 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 hey @knap, any suggestions on which tactic to use on away games? I'm playing with Inter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 11, 2019 Author Share Posted December 11, 2019 ARGUS 352 is best underdog tactic but I would also try Tequila , Sympathy. Sicilian or Wulf 4132 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren77 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, knap said: ARGUS 352 is best underdog tactic but I would also try Tequila , Sympathy. Sicilian or Wulf 4132 You think i'm an underdog? I mean, I play with Inter... away games vs teams like Torino, Sassuolo, Parma, Fiorentina... I mean, those are difficult away games but you think I have to use an underdog tactic in those matches too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom19720930 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Unfortunately that was the only one positive,it didn't go well after that....Still searching for a groundbreaker tactic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 11, 2019 Author Share Posted December 11, 2019 I tend to look if possible at the best underdog away tactic, which you man need for CL otherwise the other tactics. Home I would try P107 442 as highest scoring. However all the tactics win with Lpool home and away, so none are particular only underdog use. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69mango69 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Hi guys using sympathy tactic and on the tactics screen it is saying major issues on the square above the right hand defensive midfield player and I can’t see why as all my players are natural for the roles! Any ideas anyone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deggiall Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, 69mango69 said: Hi guys using sympathy tactic and on the tactics screen it is saying major issues on the square above the right hand defensive midfield player and I can’t see why as all my players are natural for the roles! Any ideas anyone? because of player instructions from that side in front there is AF for ex at right side. Besides e that 2 DMs have different player instructions. so you se those red aqures Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grasu Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 I've tested your 4231, 433 and 433 DM with Leeds and Portsmouth. I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or if the ME is just as ****ed as it ever was pre-spring-patch but these tactics are defensively appalling. With Portsmouth, although I'm 1st in League 1, I am 14th in goals conceded. With Leeds it was even worse, the 433 could never get me anywhere and I was barely able to keep in the top 3, despite being predicted first. Any ideas? Am I doing something wrong? Over the top balls are KILLING me! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Law_Man Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 16 minutes ago, grasu said: I've tested your 4231, 433 and 433 DM with Leeds and Portsmouth. I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or if the ME is just as ****ed as it ever was pre-spring-patch but these tactics are defensively appalling. With Portsmouth, although I'm 1st in League 1, I am 14th in goals conceded. With Leeds it was even worse, the 433 could never get me anywhere and I was barely able to keep in the top 3, despite being predicted first. Any ideas? Am I doing something wrong? Over the top balls are KILLING me! Exactly the same here. Can't really keep a clean sheet even against weaker opposition and balls over the top from any midfielder or defender are seemingly unstoppable. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardohalves Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Hello knap, I used 4132 WULF for 20.1 and I won Series D, C and B with Palermo. After patch 20.2 this tactic stopped to work and I changed for the new version (20.2), but it's not working too... Now I am in 14th in Serie A. I already tried all your tactics, but there is no instant results after 20.2 release. Any tip for me? I have good youngs... I could be better than 14th. Which tactic is better in my case? Do you use instructions for the players before or during the match? what about training? PS: I know instant results is not the best way to check if a tactic is good or not, but looks like all tactics are not working for me. Thank you very much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69mango69 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, deggiall said: because of player instructions from that side in front there is AF for ex at right side. Besides e that 2 DMs have different player instructions. so you se those red aqures I made sure both dm’s had the same player instructions and it didn’t change anything? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 11, 2019 Author Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) A few test results puts the order as follows WULF 4132 (FM 19 P112) P106 SYMPATHY 4222 TEQUILA SUNRISE FM 20.1 WULF 4141 BEOWULF 442 P107 SICILIAN 4222 P101 SYMPATHY 442 SYMPATHY 4222 VOL 2 NORTHERN SOUL 5-3-2 SICILIAN 4222 P98 ARGUS 352 SM 20.2 PILGRIMAGE 41221 OXFORD BLUE MATTER 433 DM 451 BLUE MATTER 433 4231 WULF 424 Edited December 11, 2019 by knap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 11, 2019 Author Share Posted December 11, 2019 I added a colour code with the list. The last 4 tactics are only try if you have a very good side and want to use the formation. Dropping DL one notch or to suit your players can help but in essence the AI will constantly try this ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bothan Spy Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 38 minutes ago, grasu said: I've tested your 4231, 433 and 433 DM with Leeds and Portsmouth. I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or if the ME is just as ****ed as it ever was pre-spring-patch but these tactics are defensively appalling. With Portsmouth, although I'm 1st in League 1, I am 14th in goals conceded. With Leeds it was even worse, the 433 could never get me anywhere and I was barely able to keep in the top 3, despite being predicted first. Any ideas? Am I doing something wrong? Over the top balls are KILLING me! Whole heartedly agree with you there. Worst year ever for 4231 which is extremely frustrating. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 11, 2019 Author Share Posted December 11, 2019 Performance of all tactics dropped between 20.1 and 20.2. Apart from 4132 try Tequila Sympathy Sicilian or Argus 352 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grasu Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, knap said: Performance of all tactics dropped between 20.1 and 20.2. Apart from 4132 try Tequila Sympathy Sicilian or Argus 352 knap, any idea why my team can't seem to learn the tactics? Their familiarity with tactics, even though I've set them in all 3 slots and played 10+ games in the preseason, is still no more than 2/3 full by November. Is this another bug? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardohalves Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 9 minutos atrás, grasu disse: knap, any idea why my team can't seem to learn the tactics? Their familiarity with tactics, even though I've set them in all 3 slots and played 10+ games in the preseason, is still no more than 2/3 full by November. Is this another bug? Same here... I think it's a bug. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaraldNatvik Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 On 09/12/2019 at 19:52, HaraldNatvik said: Going to give this a go Wow - what a tactic! Winning every game now, many scoring 5-6 goals. Have a look at this. This tactic is as good as the ones you made last year. I have tried all your tactics for 20.1 and 20.2, they've been ok - but this one...wow 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Salopty Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 5 hours ago, Filer974 said: These are the changes made and my results. I even got the first place. All the credit goes to Knap tweak filerknap.fmf 44.71 kB · 65 downloads ill give it a go. cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llainen Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 30 minutes ago, HaraldNatvik said: Wow - what a tactic! Winning every game now, many scoring 5-6 goals. Have a look at this. This tactic is as good as the ones you made last year. I have tried all your tactics for 20.1 and 20.2, they've been ok - but this one...wow what tactic is this??????? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Scout Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Napoli: 2. season, CL final vs. Liverpool Tactic: Knap's FM20SympathyforthedevilKnapZaipLeipzig Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardohalves Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Anyone with good results using underdog teams? If so, let us know the FM version and the tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren77 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 31 minutes ago, Llainen said: what tactic is this??????? This one: FM 20.2 Tactics NEW TACTICS BEOWULF 442 P107 FM20.2BEOWULF442WAFKnapP107ALLCUPS.fmf 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matsk89 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) @ricardohalves Try knap's Argus 3-5-2, very solid. version 20.2.1 Edited December 11, 2019 by matsk89 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llainen Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 im sick of this game, nothing works. ANyone has a good tactic that might work with fenerbache? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdubsnz Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 @knapare there any SUS tactics you are currently using? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmaster5000 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) I play Freiburg and have always placed top 5 in my first 3 seasons (im about to win it this third season im first 3 games to go) always predicted 14 and worse (16th and 15th), so I would say I did very good I used mainly tweaked knapleipzig442 and Beowulf and sometimes unreally hard away games argus, works pretty good also I still concede way more this patch but ye its more realistic like this anyway Edited December 11, 2019 by maxmaster5000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAFC_Dugout Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Chief Scout said: Napoli: 2. season, CL final vs. Liverpool Tactic: Knap's FM20SympathyforthedevilKnapZaipLeipzig Is this the one for 20.1 but you used for 20.2? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grasu Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 The 352 works slightly better than the other tactics I've tried but NOTHING actually works in this piece of **** of a game! It still boggles my mind as to why we go through this crap every year and buy this extended beta test well before it's done. This year they don't even have the excuse of adding "new features", as they basically only changed a few fonts around and this match engine is STILL absolute garbage. Your strikers constantly miss one on ones, an issue that has been plaguing this game for YEARS! The post is still hit 2 times per match, on average. And, obviously, the over-the-top ball is again the most effective scoring maneuver the AI has, despite you never being able to pull it off as a player. There is zero tactical or player consistency, and there hasn't been for years. A striker that scores 15 goals in the first 10 games of a season REGULARLY goes on a 10 game dry spell. Tactics that worked perfectly fine until 2 matches ago suddenly stop working because the "brilliant" AI "figures them out". Spare yourself the annoyance and just wait for the 3rd major patch , like every year, when they finally ****ing fix the game you pay for 6 months in advance. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmaster5000 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, grasu said: The 352 works slightly better than the other tactics I've tried but NOTHING actually works in this piece of **** of a game! It still boggles my mind as to why we go through this crap every year and buy this extended beta test well before it's done. This year they don't even have the excuse of adding "new features", as they basically only changed a few fonts around and this match engine is STILL absolute garbage. Your strikers constantly miss one on ones, an issue that has been plaguing this game for YEARS! The post is still hit 2 times per match, on average. And, obviously, the over-the-top ball is again the most effective scoring maneuver the AI has, despite you never being able to pull it off as a player. There is zero tactical or player consistency, and there hasn't been for years. A striker that scores 15 goals in the first 10 games of a season REGULARLY goes on a 10 game dry spell. Tactics that worked perfectly fine until 2 matches ago suddenly stop working because the "brilliant" AI "figures them out". Spare yourself the annoyance and just wait for the 3rd major patch , like every year, when they finally ****ing fix the game you pay for 6 months in advance. Mate if u don't enjoy the game stop playing it but its so stupid to read what you wrote. First of all, ofc its the best thing for the AI to do to play through balls since most tactics that score a lot have high pressing and low , well ofc u will be exposed to through balls with that, and if u play with a subpar side even more so. Also that you are not able to dominate the premier league first season with lets say Norwich but only get top5 is already very good shouldn't be better if you have not better players, it would be really unrealistic and really unfunny if u just plug in a tactic in any team, that has no weakness at all and wins every game.Try to tweak tactics urself if u are unsatisfied with the results but through balls are definelty not something you can't stop, if u know what you are doing 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grasu Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, maxmaster5000 said: Mate if u don't enjoy the game stop playing it but its so stupid to read what you wrote. First of all, ofc its the best thing for the AI to do to play through balls since most tactics that score a lot have high pressing and low , well ofc u will be exposed to through balls with that, and if u play with a subpar side even more so. Also that you are not able to dominate the premier league first season with lets say Norwich but only get top5 is already very good shouldn't be better if you have not better players, it would be really unrealistic and really unfunny if u just plug in a tactic in any team, that has no weakness at all and wins every game.Try to tweak tactics urself if u are unsatisfied with the results but through balls are definelty not something you can't stop, if u know what you are doing Not nearly as stupid as not being able to write the word "you". But no worries, I stopped playing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
liamwpk Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 hours ago, grasu said: knap, any idea why my team can't seem to learn the tactics? Their familiarity with tactics, even though I've set them in all 3 slots and played 10+ games in the preseason, is still no more than 2/3 full by November. Is this another bug? are you training them in the role? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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