knap Posted December 11, 2019 Author Share Posted December 11, 2019 A few test results puts the order as follows WULF 4132 (FM 19 P112) P106 SYMPATHY 4222 TEQUILA SUNRISE FM 20.1 WULF 4141 BEOWULF 442 P107 SICILIAN 4222 P101 SYMPATHY 442 SYMPATHY 4222 VOL 2 NORTHERN SOUL 5-3-2 SICILIAN 4222 P98 ARGUS 352 SM 20.2 PILGRIMAGE 41221 OXFORD BLUE MATTER 433 DM 451 BLUE MATTER 433 4231 WULF 424 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Scout Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, PAFC_Dugout said: Is this the one for 20.1 but you used for 20.2? It's on the first page. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober82 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, knap said: SYMPATHY 4222 Just to clearify, since the FM BASE test page has cut the name of the tactics in half so there is no way you can tell which version is listed first: Is this the knapzaip one? Is it updated for 20.2, or is it the 20.1 one that just still works and needs no update? If its the "old" one maybe should be tested with the tweak i sent you last week? Lines one down, and positive. Edited December 11, 2019 by Rober82 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivoensousa Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Hi all. My results until now with FM20.2BEOWULF442WAFKnapP107ALLCUPS with Lourosa 1st season (Top on Campeonato of Portugal and Underdog on Portugal Cup) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 11, 2019 Author Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) So far so good Edited December 11, 2019 by knap 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 11, 2019 Author Share Posted December 11, 2019 The tactics are uploaded for me on FM Base, so I can only go by table information. There has also been a delay in testing and results to automate the system. As far as I know the order is Original then Vol 2 the 442. The tweaked version has not been tested but can now be added to tactics to test, which I've been sorting out today. However, it does rely on people with work commitments so may be a few days yet. Also MR L testing should be on line soon but again will be a backlog. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardohalves Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 horas atrás, matsk89 disse: @ricardohalves Try knap's Argus 3-5-2, very solid. version 20.2.1 Thanks, but I didn't find this tactic for 20.2.1 Can you please attach here? Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardohalves Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I tested 30-40 tactics... they are not working on 20.2.1... It's impossible... I don't know if it's a bug, but I'll stop to play until next patch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Finally FMT has been updated! I can get back on it now. Knap, is the 4133 still the best in new patch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RM2000 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Is there any tactic which is absolutely good for viewing games ? I think everybody is using instant results, that is definitely unsatisfactory. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyboardMiner Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Argus 352 is really good tactics for top tier teams. Looks like Conte's 352. Thanks mate! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sicaron Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 14 hours ago, knap said: A few test results puts the order as follows WULF 4132 (FM 19 P112) P106 SYMPATHY 4222 TEQUILA SUNRISE FM 20.1 WULF 4141 BEOWULF 442 P107 SICILIAN 4222 P101 SYMPATHY 442 SYMPATHY 4222 VOL 2 NORTHERN SOUL 5-3-2 SICILIAN 4222 P98 ARGUS 352 SM 20.2 PILGRIMAGE 41221 OXFORD BLUE MATTER 433 DM 451 BLUE MATTER 433 4231 WULF 424 @knap Is this list intended to be the suggested best for 20.2? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 Best tested so far in 20.2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themario Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 So I've just finished my 3rd season with Milan: 3 x Seria A Champions 2 x Champions League Champions Tactic: tweakd @knap 4-1-4-1 cuz it's my favorite system to play. It's balanced both in defence and in attack and It's fun to watch. Also I mixed it with @knap 4-4-2 BEOWULF 107AllCups in some matches. Most games I've played my self exept for some low rating matches. For those how like to test it, I upload it under this post. Milan kanp 4141 v2 NEW !!.fmf 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jepguardiola10 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Hey @knap. Where do i found the SM 20.2 PILGRIMAGE 41221 OXFORD tactic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stian Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 @knaprecommende tactic for underdog team ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyM1912 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 On 10/12/2019 at 21:57, knas said: TEQUILA SUNRISE Amazing tactic, won all my games with the tactic and still unbeaten. Thank you !http://prntscr.com/q90jy4 I’m using it aswell but I can’t win with psv?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyM1912 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I got a PSV EINDHOVEN save, does somebody maybe know what tactics are good for this squad? I’m new to fm20! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmaster5000 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, themario said: So I've just finished my 3rd season with Milan: 3 x Seria A Champions 2 x Champions League Champions Tactic: tweakd @knap 4-1-4-1 cuz it's my favorite system to play. It's balanced both in defence and in attack and It's fun to watch. Also I mixed it with @knap 4-4-2 BEOWULF 107AllCups in some matches. Most games I've played my self exept for some low rating matches. For those how like to test it, I upload it under this post. Milan kanp 4141 v2 NEW !!.fmf 45.03 kB · 43 downloads will try it out and will post her if it works out for me! Great accomplishment dude Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandersson Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 @themario nice squad! Could you please post your first choice eleven? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 Is the AM handling all team talks press training etc with PSV? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skiinted Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I've made some tweaks to Beowulf107allcups and the results have been great. Cardiff City, Amateur experience. Conceded 4 goals in 10 games, realistic results such as 1-0, 2-0 etc and the team are still developing relationships - they hate me! Throw ins and freekicks are default. My own corner routine added (not an exploit but going ok) Be interested in feedback. Some changes if I can remember were..... Dropped DLP to DM DLP def, be more expressive, dropped LOE and All cred to Knap of course. Bluebirds.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyM1912 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, knap said: Is the AM handling all team talks press training etc with PSV? Most of the time yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 I would perhaps try Argus 352 or the 4141 and leave everything to AM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyM1912 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, knap said: I would perhaps try Argus 352 or the 4141 and leave everything to AM. Okay, i will try Argus! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyM1912 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Just now, WesleyM1912 said: Okay, i will try Argus! Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmaster5000 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, maxmaster5000 said: will try it out and will post her if it works out for me! Great accomplishment dude insane results so far, 10games played 10 wins, destroyed Leipzig and Bayern at home (im predicted third behind the two) and won away vs Gladbach and Dortmund. Always a lot of goals and not many conceded genius tweak of good tactic props mate @themario 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazp1919 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 It beats me how we cant get a decent, consistent 4231 system going, but every time I play against a team using it I get hammered. I'm Spurs, using BEOWULF 442 107p home and SICILIAN 4222dm away but a 4231 always seems to tear me apart. So frustrating as I want to use a 4231 myself. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cap7ainjackie Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Hi mate! Great tactics! I`m using the 4-2-3-1 WULF tactic, with Hoffenheim, but Kramaric is really struggling with the PF role, he got very weak stats. So can I change it to use AF instead PF and what how this will reflect on the other instructions? Thank you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmaster5000 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 4 hours ago, themario said: So I've just finished my 3rd season with Milan: 3 x Seria A Champions 2 x Champions League Champions Tactic: tweakd @knap 4-1-4-1 cuz it's my favorite system to play. It's balanced both in defence and in attack and It's fun to watch. Also I mixed it with @knap 4-4-2 BEOWULF 107AllCups in some matches. Most games I've played my self exept for some low rating matches. For those how like to test it, I upload it under this post. Milan kanp 4141 v2 NEW !!.fmf 45.03 kB · 107 downloads This has to be the best tactic this patch I have now won 25 games out of 26 and only drew once cause an early red card, beating teams like Bayern, Leipzig and real really impressive stuff and I concede so few goals its amazing 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenech Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) I conducted a 5 season deep tactical analysis of Knaps Sympathy for the Devil tactic. The test was conducted under strict conditions of 5 seasons in the English prem where every club had a balanced squad of identical players. No transfer movements for the 5 seasons and squad kept relatively happy throughout. Here are the results. 190 games in total tested with an average of all 5 seasons given as well. Edited December 12, 2019 by Fenech 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
polis Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 On 11/12/2019 at 18:25, tom19720930 said: First game with this tweak ,I know it's friendly and against amateur team but I think it's my highest win in FM last years even in friendlies I think this is the best tactic i see...i`m start to play with this tactic.. with bournemounth 31/01/2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skiinted Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren77 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 6 hours ago, themario said: So I've just finished my 3rd season with Milan: 3 x Seria A Champions 2 x Champions League Champions Tactic: tweakd @knap 4-1-4-1 cuz it's my favorite system to play. It's balanced both in defence and in attack and It's fun to watch. Also I mixed it with @knap 4-4-2 BEOWULF 107AllCups in some matches. Most games I've played my self exept for some low rating matches. For those how like to test it, I upload it under this post. Milan kanp 4141 v2 NEW !!.fmf 45.03 kB · 164 downloads Any AI istructions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp4rtak22 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) Knap how to pick up players in tactics FM20.2WULF4132PFDMIWBSPKnapP112? Edited December 12, 2019 by sp4rtak22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 Search or quick pick? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp4rtak22 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 what players are best to pick up in this tactic? what are the key positions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 Easiest way is to use AM quick pick. Either play with selection an see how it goes or change the choice to what you would consider a better player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp4rtak22 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 all duties to give to the assistant? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 Except OIs as there are no OIs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) FM 20.2 Tactics NEW TACTICS FM20.2 SICILIAN P101 FM20.2SICILIAN442DLKnapP101ALLCUPS.fmf OXFORD 41221 FM20.2PILGRIMAGEKnapIWB41221OXFORDMUP86PL.fmf BEOWULF 442 P107 FM20.2BEOWULF442WAFKnapP107ALLCUPS.fmf44.84 kB · 1,276 downloads WULF 4132 P106 FM20.2WULF4132PFDMIWBSPKnapP112ALLCUPSNOLOSSFM20.2P106ECCC.fmf45.23 kB · 879 downloads NORTHERN SOUL 532 P101 FM20.2NorthernSoulMRHKnap5-3-2P101CC.fmf45.36 kB · 872 downloads FM 20.1 Tactics RECOMMENDED LIST WULF 4132 WULF P102 (Top Sub top underdog) FM20WULF4132PFDMIWBSPKnapP112ALLCUPSNOLOSSFM20P102ECCC.fmf45.22 kB · 522 downl 4132 WULF ALL CUPS P102 (Top Sub top underdog) FM20WULF4132PFDMIWBAPDLPKnapP102ALLCUPS.fmf45.19 kB · 406 downloadsoads 4141 P103 (top sub top underdog) FM20.1WULF4141SPKnapP106ECCCKINGP107_SOLOUNAMIGOP104KINGP104FM20P99ECFAATTACKP103.fmf45.19 kB · 742 downloads 442 P102 FM20WULF442PFPWMKnapP110ECCCFM20P102ECCC.fmf44.85 kB · 553 downloads 4132 TEQUILA SUNRISE TH 93 Sub Top FM20Tequilasunrise442.knaplassTHP93EC.fmf44.98 kB · 152 downloads 442 DM SICILIAN DEFENCE P98 FM20SICILIAN442PFDMIWBSPKnapP98ALLCUPS.fmf45.09 kB · 252 downloads ARGUS 352 P103 EC CC FM204ARGUSknap352P103ECCC.fmf43.17 kB · 263 downloads BLUE MATTER 433 DM P98 (Top) FM20BLUEMATTER433DMKnapP108ECCC451IWFM20P102P98.fmf43.7 kB · 59 downloads BLUE MATTER 433 P105 (Top) FM20BLUEMATTER433KnapP105FACC.fmf43.28 kB · 372 downloads SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL 442 Sympathy for the Devil P103 (Top Sub top underdog) FM20SympathyforthedevilKnapZaipvol2442P103ECCC.fmf45.01 kB · 39 downloads 442 (4222) Sympathy for the Devil (Top sub top underdog) FM20SympathyforthedevilKnapZaipLeipzig.fmf44. 442 Vol (4222) Sympathy for the Devil Vol 2 (Top Sub Top ) FM20SympathyforthedevilKnapZaipLeipzigvol2.fmf44.91 kB · 957 downloads 442 (4222) Sympathy for the Devil (Top sub top underdog) FM20SympathyforthedevilKnapZaipLeipzig.fmf44.88 kB · 812 downloads 4132 Sympathy for the Devil P103 FM20SympathyforthedevilKnapZaip4132P102ECFA.fmf45.04 kB · 144 downloads 4132 Sympathy for the Devil TH Version FM20SympathyforthedevilKnapZaipvol24132P97ECFATHP91.fmf45.04 kB · 95 downloads 4132 GOODBYE P101 FM20GOODBYE4132PFDMIWBSPKnapP101.fmf45.17 kB · 284 downloads BLUE MATTER 451 P98 FM20BLUEMATTER433DMKnapP108ECCC451IWFM20P102P98.fmf43.7 kB · 76 downloads WULF 424 (Top Teams) MU Lpool P103 !!!!!!!!!!FM19.3.5BEOWULF424IFKnapP108ECCCKINGP101FM20P103.fmf44.71 kB · 215 downloads 442 (sub top) Bayer 04 19.3.4WULF442PFPWMKnapP112ECFAFM20P97ALLCUPS53.fmf44.89 kB · 107 downloads WULF 4141 FM205WULF4141SPKnapP101ECFACC.fmf45.1 kB · 381 downloads WULF 4231 P102 ECCC FM20WULFKnap4231NEP102ECCC.fmf44.71 kB · 383 downloads 41311 Leeds FM20 PILGRIMAGE41311 leftbKnapKonP52.fmf45.16 kB · 31 downloads Edited December 12, 2019 by knap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp4rtak22 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 which players are better to bet extreme defensive midfielders? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warszawa Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 tweaks are set on positive mentality but can be used on attack too FM20WULF4132TWEAKPFDMIWBSPKnapP112ALLCUPSNOLOSSFM20P102ECCC.fmf FM20WULF4141TWEAKPFDMIWBSPKnapP112ALLCUPSNOLOSSFM20P102ECCC.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andre62 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 hey @White Europe can you do a tweak for 4-4-2 please? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warszawa Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, andre62 said: hey @White Europe can you do a tweak for 4-4-2 please? Thanks will try, but that DM is must for Me at the moment for underdog Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarmyArmy0301 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 which tactics are the best for an underdog? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 Did you find the much higher DL a problem with CP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmastrich Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 On 11/12/2019 at 21:27, grasu said: The 352 works slightly better than the other tactics I've tried but NOTHING actually works in this piece of **** of a game! It still boggles my mind as to why we go through this crap every year and buy this extended beta test well before it's done. This year they don't even have the excuse of adding "new features", as they basically only changed a few fonts around and this match engine is STILL absolute garbage. Your strikers constantly miss one on ones, an issue that has been plaguing this game for YEARS! The post is still hit 2 times per match, on average. And, obviously, the over-the-top ball is again the most effective scoring maneuver the AI has, despite you never being able to pull it off as a player. There is zero tactical or player consistency, and there hasn't been for years. A striker that scores 15 goals in the first 10 games of a season REGULARLY goes on a 10 game dry spell. Tactics that worked perfectly fine until 2 matches ago suddenly stop working because the "brilliant" AI "figures them out". Spare yourself the annoyance and just wait for the 3rd major patch , like every year, when they finally ****ing fix the game you pay for 6 months in advance. Amen. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andre62 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Thanks @White Europe ;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) A few test results puts the order as follows FM 20.2 SICILIAN 4222 P101 FM 20 SYMPATHY 4222 FM 20 ARGUS 352 FM 20 WULF 4132 (FM 19 P112) P106 FM 20 SICILIAN 4222 P98 FM 20 FM 20 WULF 4141 FM 20 SYMPATHY 442 FM 20 TEQUILA SUNRISE FM 20 SYMPATHY 4222 VOL 2 BEOWULF 442 P107 NORTHERN SOUL 5-3-2 SM 20.2 PILGRIMAGE 41221 OXFORD BLUE MATTER 433 DM 451 BLUE MATTER 433 4231 WULF 424 Edited December 12, 2019 by knap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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