harisnuriakhlaq Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Hi Knap, is their anyway your Blue Matter 4213/2213 tactic from FM18 can be replicated in FM20? I'd like to play with three strikers but with a number 10 behind them. Not many wide players coming through as newgens in my save. Thanks in advance For convenience: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) @harisnuriakhlaq Narrow tactics are not the best approach. I dd look at a narrow diamond the other day so may be possible. 20.2.3 or Beta? Edited January 23, 2020 by knap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harisnuriakhlaq Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 20.2.3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 @harisnuriakhlaq Good as I can use FMT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 @Paulinho26 Not sure if you are looking for a tactic that concedes the least goals or top tactic that conceded less goals? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthmael Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) Hey knap. Just wanted to share the results I got with KnapZaip108, changed the side midfielders to wingers. Seemed to work great. Media predictions were 22nd! Promoted with 2 more games to play... FM20.2.3SympathyforthedevilKnapZaipVOL2P108FACC-424.fmf Edited January 23, 2020 by arthmael 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 @arthmael The 424 tested as a rank 17/20 on underdog test. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinardier8282 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Le 22/01/2020 à 20:21, knap a dit : Norwich tactic at 2.18ppg FM20.2.3SympathyforthedevilKnapZaipVOL2P108FACC.fmf 45 Ko · 253 downloads 13 wins in 13 games with this, very good tactic in beta ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinardier8282 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Le 22/01/2020 à 11:45, knap a dit : Beta independent test Sympathy VOL2P108 (predicted 19th) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinobremnato1 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) @knap Hey man love your tactics first and foremost! See for the individual training do you do it for the players position such as BPD and VOL etc? Thanks! Edited January 23, 2020 by martinobremnato1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 I don't bother if testing but I would train roles in a real save. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestfootie Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 I won the treble (Prem, FA Cup and Carling Cup) with West Ham using Venom and Faith. Screenshots here https://steamcommunity.com/id/bestfootie/ Obviously my signings and great management skill was what helped achieve such a fantastic second season. Thank you to @knap for all your help, time and dedication to this! I don't know what you get out of it - except pure joy :-) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigas Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 What is the best tactic to play without beta? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) FM 20.2 Tactics TACTIC LINKS AND TACTIC RANKINGS FROM THE INDEPEDENT TESTS (MR L & FM BASE) ARE NOW ON GOOGLE DOCS LINK BELOW http://bit.ly/knaptactics Because I test with top, the pts total in tactic name will give an idea of what is best for top club, Top Clubs should be able to use all of the tactics. Top Club say 1-4 in League (Lpool MC etc) Sub Top 5-10 in League Sub Mid 11-15 Underdog the rest Can also use Top and Sub Top a Home Tactic Underdog Away or Top Favourite Sub Top Evens Underdog if Underdog MENTALITY MATTERS GUIDE Edited January 23, 2020 by knap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilmz88 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 do you use left foot on right and right foot on left wing with sympathy ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sverige91 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Hello Knap, Which tactics have you made for Beta? Does Tactic name have specific something for mark if it is for beta or full game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 @sverige91 The Beta independent test results with existing tactics are testing above the tests results in FM 20.2.3. I can make a list of those that have been tested , but the other tactics should work in the Beta as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 @hilmz88 IWs or IFs I usually use inverted foot, just chack any cut in ppms. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 @bestfootie Signing and management are key to success, just hope the tactics help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heywood JaBlowme Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, knap said: @bestfootie Signing and management are key to success And the one thing in FM 20 that will definitely ruin your success is the dreadful club takeover when you’re at a big club. Edited January 23, 2020 by Heywood JaBlowme Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setsuna Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 2 hours ago, bestfootie said: I won the treble (Prem, FA Cup and Carling Cup) with West Ham using Venom and Faith. Screenshots here https://steamcommunity.com/id/bestfootie/ Obviously my signings and great management skill was what helped achieve such a fantastic second season. Thank you to @knap for all your help, time and dedication to this! I don't know what you get out of it - except pure joy :-) which version? i think there are 3 of that tactic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 @Heywood JaBlowme Ouch- Has that happened to you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGreen555 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 @knap What's the best tactic for the BETA? I'm wanting to start a new game and have a tactic and stick to it no matter what... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heywood JaBlowme Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, knap said: @Heywood JaBlowme Ouch- Has that happened to you? Happened twice so far. It's a disaster and a save killer IMO. It was a poorly implemented feature that needs to be addressed pronto. Edited January 23, 2020 by Heywood JaBlowme Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 @mrgreen555 Do you prefer a formation or sub or underdog preference, as most of the tactics tested are ranked 19 or 20. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestfootie Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 4 hours ago, Setsuna said: which version? i think there are 3 of that tactic Latest version 20.2.3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sverige91 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 8 hours ago, knap said: @sverige91 The Beta independent test results with existing tactics are testing above the tests results in FM 20.2.3. I can make a list of those that have been tested , but the other tactics should work in the Beta as well. That would be Great, thank you. Or just a suggestion to but a (B) in name of tactics to mark if they are tested on beta, that would be easier i think. Could you Please post the link again where you put all your tactics? Thank you for all your efforts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) Beta test on Sicilian P101 = For Sicilian Positive gives better results in the Beta. Mentality OVR Sub Underdog Attacking 17 19 15 Positive 20 19 20 Balance 18 16 15 Edited January 24, 2020 by knap 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGreen555 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 42 minutes ago, knap said: Beta test on Sicilian P101 = For Sicilian Positive gives better results in the Beta. Mentality OVR Sub Underdog Attacking 17 19 15 Positive 20 19 20 Balance 18 16 15 Now thats what im talking about!! Great resuts for both good teams and bad teams! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stian Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Really dumb question, but Beta? eh... Not 20.2.3? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_head Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 @knap 4-2-4 works fine on Spurs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) @stian Beta is 20.2.4 Edited January 24, 2020 by knap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinardier8282 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 il y a une heure, knap a dit : Beta test on Sicilian P101 = For Sicilian Positive gives better results in the Beta. Mentality OVR Sub Underdog Attacking 17 19 15 Positive 20 19 20 Balance 18 16 15 For beta, sicilian tactic with positive mentality you think is better than 442 sympathy p 108 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGreen555 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 @knap Do you find altering tactics to game by game helps or hinders? The reason I ask is that I was going to have a formation for each of my oppositions "most vulnerable against" Hope you can help. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 @MrGreen555 Because I am usually testing I don't change, apart from a SUS. However, I do support Mentality matters as this adds another facet to tactics. Changing to opposition adds another layer to using tactics, so will be interested in results. A few years ago there was a tactician "the Better Half" that had adapting tactics down to a fine art. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyhorton333 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Does this photo mean that im still on Beta/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stian Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 47 minutes ago, knap said: @stian Beta is 20.2.4 Ok, im still on 20.2.3, has the new update been released? ..or is it something i am missing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 @garyhorton333 As far as I am aware there is no Beta for FMT, so maybe a bug. If you check game status it should be 20.2.3 The beta is 20.2.4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stian Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, knap said: @garyhorton333 As far as I am aware there is no Beta for FMT, so maybe a bug. If you check game status it should be 20.2.3 The beta is 20.2.4 Ok, i see just needed to sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 @metal_head I used Beowulf 4132 P106 with Spurs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulinho26 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) Em 23/01/2020 em 12:14, knap disse: @Paulinho26 Not sure if you are looking for a tactic that concedes the least goals or top tactic that conceded less goals? Top tactic that conceds less goals. But i am doing amazing with the wulf442 p101! Ty @knap Edited January 24, 2020 by Paulinho26 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 @Paulinho26 Back up plan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyhorton333 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, knap said: @garyhorton333 As far as I am aware there is no Beta for FMT, so maybe a bug. If you check game status it should be 20.2.3 The beta is 20.2.4 im on 20.2.4 so is there any difference between beta and the proper game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 @garyhorton333 As posted by Tagaddin = A good overall summary Just some thoughts on the new ME so far, correct me if iam wrong.. 1- Players have better one vs one scoring chance yet one vs one opportunities are much less frequent now. 2- Players have slightly better targeting no longer shoot directly at the defenders as they used to pre-beta however this issue is not completely resolved. 3- Long balls over the defense moderately decreased, higher DL now is safer to play. 4- Ridiculous matches with you dominating possession and plenty of CCC yet you still lose 1-0 still exists. 5- Penalties still f***** up almost over 80% of shoutouts are lost despite having better players, penalties during matches are wasted more than 2/3 of time. 6- Penalties again are stupidly easily awarded with indirect freekicks, the ai just throws the ball into the box and the refree awards the penalty. 7- Long throws still dangerous even with a player with poor LT attribute. 8- Direct free kicks score less frequently than before. 9- Narrow gameplay is more rewarding and lower mentality now performs better than before. 10- Long shots are much less accurate now. 11- Pass into space not as effective as it were pre-beta Generally a slightly better and less frustrating ME so far. Edited Tuesday at 03:34 by tagaddin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 FM 20.2 Tactics TACTIC LINKS AND TACTIC RANKINGS FROM THE INDEPEDENT TESTS (MR L & FM BASE) ARE NOW ON GOOGLE DOCS LINK BELOW http://bit.ly/knaptactics Because I test with top, the pts total in tactic name will give an idea of what is best for top club, Top Clubs should be able to use all of the tactics. Top Club say 1-4 in League (Lpool MC etc) Sub Top 5-10 in League Sub Mid 11-15 Underdog the rest Can also use Top and Sub Top a Home Tactic Underdog Away or Top Favourite Sub Top Evens Underdog if Underdog MENTALITY MATTERS GUIDE 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bcfclee27 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) On 22/01/2020 at 19:21, knap said: Norwich tactic at 2.18ppg FM20.2.3SympathyforthedevilKnapZaipVOL2P108FACC.fmf 45.03 kB · 394 downloads Knap - will this work in the Beta 20.2.4 patch ? Edited January 24, 2020 by Bcfclee27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 @Bcfclee27 The Norwich test is in 20.2.4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 @sverige91 The google docs with tactics is in OP if you can't see it on latest page. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 @radetzky I used the 4132 P106 with Spurs and had a very good season. In view of fact this was also a P112 in FM 19, probably has been underrated. I will have a look at the tweaks as well. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 Recommended Beta Tactics Sicilian P101 Positive/Attacking Sympathy VOL2 P108 PL Win Norwich Wulf 442 DL P101 1.68ppg (20,20,19) Beowulf 442 P107 1.67 ppg (20,20,19) Wulf 442 DL Balanced ppg 1.58 (19,20,18) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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