Bob47 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, knap said: FM 20.4.0 BLACK ECHO 4231 P109 FA CC !!!!FM20.4.0BlackEcho4231knapP109FACC.fmf 45.03 kB · 137 downloads Hi. who take the corners and throws in please? Nice tactic. Thanks a lot Edited March 10, 2020 by Bob47 modif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 @Bob47 Takers are shown in routine, otherwise not set. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 FM 20.4 and 20.3 me 2040 Tactics (includes FM 20.2 Beta tactics and FM 20.2.4) TACTIC LINKS AND TACTIC RANKINGS FROM THE INDEPENDENT TESTS (MR L & FM BASE) ARE NOW ON GOOGLE DOCS LINK BELOW http://bit.ly/knaptactics Because I test with top, the pts total in tactic name will give an idea of what is best for top club, Top Clubs should be able to use all of the tactics. Top Club say 1-4 in League (Lpool MC etc) Sub Top 3-7 in League Sub Top 5-10 in League Sub Mid 11-15 Underdog the rest Can also use Top and Sub Top a Home Tactic Underdog Away or Top Favourite Sub Top Evens Underdog if Underdog FOR SUS AT END OF GAME TRY - REGROUP AND HOLD SHAPE MENTALITY MATTERS GUIDE MRr Hough recommended shouts Use shouts Show Some Passion and Demand More. Also concentrate if leading by a few goals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLeNoble Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Hello Knap. What is different between Tea For One 4231 and The Black Echo 4231 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 @DonLeNoble Totally different underlying set up. In essence each name is associated with a different underlying set up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 With P109 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 FM 20.4.0 JAILBREAK 451 P104 FA !!!!FM20.4.0Jailbreak451P104FA.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 Norwich with 4231 Skew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob47 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 hours ago, knap said: @Bob47 Takers are shown in routine, otherwise not set. I not speak a very good english, i'm french. So i don't understand every thing. Sorry for this For this tactic do you use something like this: right throw in take by right back, left throw in take by left back, right corner take by right winger, left corner take by left winger? Or maybe do you let the twice corners shoot to the best corner shooter of your team? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 @Bob47 les preneurs sont mis en place dans la routine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christrott79 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 @knap Did I see you say somewhere that 20.4 is the last update for FM20? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 @christrott79 We understand from some of the feedback seen in this thread that the news of no further match engine changes for FM20 will disappoint some here. But looking at sentiment overall and the number of people playing the game, the majority of our players are playing and enjoying FM more than ever before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christrott79 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, knap said: @christrott79 We understand from some of the feedback seen in this thread that the news of no further match engine changes for FM20 will disappoint some here. But looking at sentiment overall and the number of people playing the game, the majority of our players are playing and enjoying FM more than ever before. Lets hope so. Would be nice to be able to get a long term save going! Have you looked at the Black Echo as a 424? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 Unless there is a massive bug this is the final ME. I can look at 424. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
malte722 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 @knap Hi Knap! Just a qustion regarding your testing of a tactic. Do you go with holiday mode or instant results? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Master Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 13 hours ago, Rober82 said: First half of the season going really well! Great underdog tactic. Hard to beat. SPAL expected to go down. You play on 20.3 or 20.4? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garotospfc Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 14 hours ago, knap said: FM 20.4.0 BLACK ECHO 4231 P109 FA CC !!!!FM20.4.0BlackEcho4231knapP109FACC.fmf 45.03 kB · 365 downloads Hi Knap, Do you think this tactic works for a underdog team? Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksmithlfc1234 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 is there any chance of doing a 433 please since the latest update !? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 @marksmithlfc1234 Which tactic were you using? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober82 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 30 minutes ago, Drunken Master said: 20.4? This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrayKid Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Hello guys, I've been using Magdeburg, 3rd tier in germany, i finished my first season, but couldnt quite get into the top 3. My tactics, a 5-2-1-2. Some games I have like 40 shots but my team just wouldnt score. Most wins in the league but also lots of losses. Good run of form, followed by bad run of form. I'd like to keep playing with 3 at the back and 2 CWB, but I'm not sure what to do for next season. Do you guys have any advice for me? I'd like to get promoted next season, maybe even finish first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiza Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 vor 5 Stunden schrieb knap: FM 20.4 and 20.3 me 2040 Tactics (includes FM 20.2 Beta tactics and FM 20.2.4) TACTIC LINKS AND TACTIC RANKINGS FROM THE INDEPENDENT TESTS (MR L & FM BASE) ARE NOW ON GOOGLE DOCS LINK BELOW http://bit.ly/knaptactics Because I test with top, the pts total in tactic name will give an idea of what is best for top club, Top Clubs should be able to use all of the tactics. Top Club say 1-4 in League (Lpool MC etc) Sub Top 3-7 in League Sub Top 5-10 in League Sub Mid 11-15 Underdog the rest Can also use Top and Sub Top a Home Tactic Underdog Away or Top Favourite Sub Top Evens Underdog if Underdog FOR SUS AT END OF GAME TRY - REGROUP AND HOLD SHAPE MENTALITY MATTERS GUIDE MRr Hough recommended shouts Use shouts Show Some Passion and Demand More. Also concentrate if leading by a few goals Hey knap, one little suggestion: It is nice to get these information, but maybe you could add some explanation the differences in your approaches? What's Black Echos approach? What is the philosophy behind Tea for one? Etc... I think this would be a great addition to your overview post! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartandgroin Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) Anyone got any suggestions for playing away from home? I use Parisienne Walkway WSSVol2-4231. Finished 12th with my Villa side which was ok(ish). At home I was overall 5th in the table, Away I was 19th lol. Only won twice on the road and tried all manner of things... Dropped offside trap Played Cautious/Balance/Mixture depending on game/opposition. I have the SUS all sorted I just can't seem to do anything decent away from Villa Park. Also, anyone finding it really frustrating that as soon as you score, you tend to concede a goal almost immediately! Maybe it's just my average Villa side and their concentration span of a potato. Edited March 10, 2020 by heartandgroin 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
malte722 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 @garotospfc I think it can work.. tried it with Bournemouth.. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Master Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 43 minutes ago, Rober82 said: This. OK thx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 @Smiza I think philosophy would be stretching the imagination, especially the last two FMs. In FM 18 you could have Fluid or highly structured, but at the moment it is more it is an attacking 442. In the past Dark side used as many TIs as possible and Goodbye as few as possible. When you look at a tactic like Black Echo you can see what defines the tactic is a very slow tempo, and as such hardly a philosophy, or TEA minimum PIs, 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 @StrayKid There are 3 at back tactics on google docs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyDepuydt1 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Knap, do you advise the players to just train in the role they are playing in the tactic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urotsukidoji Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) Knap 4231 tweak. Hope knap doesn't mind me posting here but it is basically his tactic and I didn't think it warranted a separate thread> ive being using knaps tea for one 4231, and while it was good it had some faults. My tweaks were to change to a short slow passing game but not tic tac. Change mentality to positive. This suits a passing game more, stops my wb from making stupid runs, lowers balls over the defence, and most of all STOPS LATE GOALS. I never change to attacking even when losing and still have faith ill score. Tweaked Inside forwards to play narrower, and I play narrower overall. Made my DLP play more direct passing Added attack set piece called Goalmachine from Steam, and added my own defending corner setpiece that has never conceded a goal apart from in multiplayer where the opponent used goal machine. Also tweaked def set pieces. WB play wider. Focus down the flanks. Play wide. GK tweaks. Various tweaks to player instructions. My best result was beating Chelsea with an edited blackburn team 5-1. My team is probably on par with Bournemouth. This tactic also beats big teams. Kept all roles same as knap. I tried attacking mids, inside wingers, but the roles knap has chosen cant be bettered. I have never lost with this tactic tweak in 2 days. Ive drawn a few but never lost. 4231 uro.fmf Edited March 10, 2020 by Urotsukidoji I always edit, forget my head if it wasnt screwed on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksmithlfc1234 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 hours ago, knap said: @marksmithlfc1234 Which tactic were you using? at the moment i have your latest blackecho4231 109........ but i just love 433 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartandgroin Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 23 minutes ago, Urotsukidoji said: Knap 4231 tweak. Hope knap doesn't mind me posting here but it is basically his tactic and I didn't think it warranted a separate thread> ive being using knaps tea for one 4231, and while it was good it had some faults. My tweaks were to change to a short slow passing game but not tic tac. Change mentality to positive. This suits a passing game more, stops my wb from making stupid runs, lowers balls over the defence, and most of all STOPS LATE GOALS. I never change to attacking even when losing and still have faith ill score. Tweaked Inside forwards to play narrower, and I play narrower overall. Made my DLP play more direct passing Added attack set piece called Goalmachine from Steam, and added my own defending setpiece that has never conceded a goal apart from in multiplayer where the opponent used goal machine. Also tweaked def set pieces. WB play wider. My best result was beating Chelsea with an edited blackburn team 5-1. My team is probably on par with Bournemouth. This tactic also beats big teams. Kept all roles same as knap. I tried attacking mids, inside wingers, but the roles knap has chosen cant be bettered. I have never lost with this tactic tweak in 2 days. Ive drawn a few but never lost. 4231 uro.fmf 45.59 kB · 5 downloads Interesting stuff. Your tweaks may...just may work with my stumbling Villa side. Is this with the current ME? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urotsukidoji Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 yes heart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 @marksmithlfc If with 3 fwds then I posted a few on last patch (same me), although only for very top teams 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 @DavyDepuydt1 I would train the role/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober82 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Well, @knap this Teaforone 4321 OX P103 is a monster. Holiday in between games, instant result. Dominated most games, a few freak results. Even made it to the Cup final, lost against Lazio I have to try the same with a relegation candidate in PL and BL now, to see if the results are the same. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksmithlfc1234 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 i know this the wrong topic but can somone point me to where i can download corner setups please ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartandgroin Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 29 minutes ago, marksmithlfc1234 said: i know this the wrong topic but can somone point me to where i can download corner setups please ? Steam workshop Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksmithlfc1234 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, heartandgroin said: Steam workshop tried there but cant get set up pieces to download to fmtouch 20 ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 @Rober82 Did I not post Norwich test with Oxford? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morewiz Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 hace 20 horas, Rober82 dijo: First half of the season going really well! Great underdog tactic. Hard to beat. SPAL expected to go down. Sorry, where is tactic please?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober82 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, morewiz said: Sorry, where is tactic please?? 544713551_!!FM20.3.0TeaforOne4321OXP103.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrows Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 So 3 straight promotions (predicted relegation each season) and now top of Sky bet league 1. tea for one 4411 is bloody brilliant. i have tried a lot of formations on this new match engine but the 4411 stands out a mile. Good both home and away. cheers knap 👍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naaka Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 bonsoir tactiques pour tottenham svp qui fonctionne bien Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloshyarcher531 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 hi guys. i wold like to talk with you beacuse i need something. i red everithing about your tattics and i tried to my carrers on my FM, but doesn't work. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TE22-1gsGXb4Y3yxpsUST7KusUiFPl_XBkhvxIO0fH0/edit#gid=1537632054 i tried this one, and this tattics but doesn't work very well. in every match it happen that i score 1 goal and i tried to score many times, at least 25 times but they dont' score! im playing with other guys with this one but i never won a bundes ( i've the shalke 04), i won 3 times the pokal and 2 times the super cup. maybe there is an another tattic better for score better and won more? in 34 match of bundes i lost 10 times, it's too much. in champions league when i take barcellona- manchester and son on i always lost. thank you for the attention !!FM20.3.0ARGUSknap343MMPP100ECFA.fmf !FM20.3.0ARGUSknap343IFMMPP102CC.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober82 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 hour ago, knap said: Did I not post Norwich test with Oxford? Not sure. I might have missed it. I saw a norwich test with 4231 skew, but not with OX. Just started testing with Fortuna Dusseldorf. Terrible team. Expected to go down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 Not Norwich this test on Oxford Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober82 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 27 minutes ago, knap said: Not Norwich this test on Oxford Well it's amazing all the same! I think this one is a winner! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 FM 20.4.0 MISSISSIPPI 4312 OX P103 EC !!!!FM20.4.0MississippiKnap4321OXP103EC.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragin Cajun Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 So based on knaps earlier comment about 4231 and 4411 being better options in the current patch/ME I set up 20.4.0451KnapPreachinBluesVOL3P101FA as my underdog/away tactic and 20.4.0BlackEchoKnap4411P108ECCC as my home/favorite tactic. We were picked 1000-1 to finish 18th in the table and face relegation. I did add in 20.3.0TeaForOne4321OXP103 in the last three matches. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober82 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ragin Cajun said: I did add in 20.3.0TeaForOne4321OXP103 in the last three matches. Try next season with just this one. Dont need home/away tactic with that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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