knap Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 @Wu_PaBlO-EsCoBaR Just click link which is always available in OP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 ME 21.6 ECHOES 442 P110 FA !!ME21,6ECHOESKnap442P110FA.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Civili7ation Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 On 12/03/2021 at 16:44, Civili7ation said: Hi All. I've been using this tactic with a new Sevilla save, and it's incredible. For what it's worth and before someone mentions it, the editor is active so I can fix kits mid-save, but no editing, no save scamming etc. All genuine results. This is the first year with Sevilla as well, standard team with a couple of minor signings. For the 6-0 against Real Madrid and 3-1 against Barcelona I changed to another one of Knap's 4-2-3-1 formations which is also in this thread. I'll try and find it if anyone is interested. I'd been training it, but never used it in a game. It seems to be incredible for a 'good' team like Sevilla going up against the elite. Just an update on this. I did the Quadruple in my first season with Sevilla using the Disraeli Gears tactic and then using the Echoes 4-2-3-1 against the 'elite' teams I beat Real Madrid 6-0, Barcelona 6-0 and Man United 4-0 in the UCL Final. Did an invincible season in all competitions and I'm in the 'English Hall of Fame' after just the first season ha! I played Munir and En-Nesyri as the AMCs in the Disraeli Gear tactic with Suso as ML and OCampos as MR. Rakitic on CM (A) and Jordan on DMC. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Robot Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 so @knap update changes nothing important, am i right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 @Mr.Robot I am in the middle of a test but I will run same test in 21.7. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Robot Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 thx @knap looking forward to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smlrch1892 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 5 hours ago, knap said: @jez313 Need to be quick to pause the game If too slow they haave scored and back to defending. Very gamey aspect of AI tactics. What do you mean? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonseller Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Would like to see 21.6 HGF 4321OXP104 long tested, may be the most balanced tactic around Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinball_88 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 11 часов назад, Civili7ation сказал: Disraeli Gears tactic and then using the Echoes 4-2-3-1 where can I download them from for test? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMA1234 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 any ME changes on 21.7? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smlrch1892 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Looks like a change to long throws? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 @avonseller J Just waiting for FMRTE to update 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty237 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, smlrch1892 said: Looks like a change to long throws? Was thinking the same thing. All my throws go straight to the opponent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 ECHOES 4231 without long throws Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Hey @knap Can you make a version of Echoes 4-4-1-1 that has all the attributes of Echoes 4231 Basically taking Echoes 442 but having the one striker as an AM or SS, would it work? See Image Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Civili7ation Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 6 hours ago, pinball_88 said: where can I download them from for test? 2053371212_!!FM21.6DISRAELIGEARS41320VOL4P102fa.fmf Hopefully this works? I've just uploaded them straight from my tactics folder to save scrolling through this thread. The Disraeli Gears tactic is my 'regular' tactic and then I found randomly that the Echoes 4-2-3-1 seems incredible against the elite teams like Barcelona and Real Madrid. I did try Echoes against lesser teams but seemed to struggle, so I just kept it as my 'underdog' tactic. !!FM21.6ECHOESKnap4231P111.fmf 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 @Icondacarver There already is a ECHOES 4411 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEwGruBBy Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Do you already have a better tactic for the new update? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMA1234 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 26 minutes ago, knap said: @Icondacarver There already is a ECHOES 4411 would this work with salford or should i stick with the kashmir 4141kinstonian97? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stian Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 @knap How does the new update in ME effect the tactics so far? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAFC_Dugout Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, stian said: @knap How does the new update in ME effect the tactics so far? Hey all, just to confirm since we always get some confusion: The only changes to the ME were to CCC recognition and to throw in distances. We did not make any other changes, it'd be far too risky for us to do so for an update of this kind. Since the only real ME change was to throw ins, it's unlikely that open play would be affected in any noticeable way. Thanks! from the Feedback thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 @PAFC_Dugout Just as an observation wing play looks different in final third and more woodwork. When FMRTE is updated I will check on the long test on tactic performace. There was only GK Distribution last time but tactic results were down. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 @stian ECHOES 442 and 4231 are still good as posted. Will probably have changed throws ins for 21.7 versions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustin1979 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, knap said: @PAFC_Dugout Just as an observation wing play looks different in final third and more woodwork. When FMRTE is updated I will check on the long test on tactic performace. There was only GK Distribution last time but tactic results were down. Just got the FMRTE update... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 @NEwGruBBy Not yet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 @FMA1234 I would use WARRIR 442 with WARRIOR or KASHMIR 4141. ECHOES 442 and 4231 would also be good options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinho Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) my 2 cents - the highest tested darkside of the moon 4-3-1-2 tactic is the best around for elite teams / with the right squad. I cant make IWB tactics work and cant bring myself to go strikerless with the players I have. 5+ trophies in both of the past 2 years. 72 goals Mbappe: Edited March 16, 2021 by Martinho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naaka Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) Bonjour je cherche un 4 .3 .1 .2 pls Edited March 16, 2021 by Naaka Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 @Naaka Bonjour All tactics on google docs., Link can be found in opening post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustin1979 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Martinho said: my 2 cents - the highest tested darkside of the moon 4-3-1-2 tactic is the best around for elite teams / with the right squad. I cant make IWB tactics work and cant bring myself to go strikerless with the players I have. 5+ trophies in both of the past 2 years. 72 goals Mbappe: Can you link this tactic? Not certain which one you're using. EDIT: Is it the ME 21.6 - P108 one? Edited March 16, 2021 by Augustin1979 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naaka Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) Il y a 1 heure, knap a déclaré: @Naaka Bonjour Toutes les tactiques sur Google Docs., Le lien se trouve dans le post d'ouverture merci knap je vais regarder cela , je test avec monaco !!FM21.6HOLYGHOSTFIREKnap4312NP102.fmf Edited March 16, 2021 by Naaka Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 FM 21 TACTICS GOOGLE DOCS https://bit.ly/knap2021 YT Channelhttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCILCgjDOjzTjS2OjaTpwxJg Tactic table available from Baden Powell DISCORD INVITE https://discord.gg/KEGeG24F Weighted attributes Pdf Attribute_Weights.pdf.pdf35.17 kB · 59 downloads Filters from The Prof filters_110854 (1).zip182.39 kB · 25 downloads TEST RESULTS You can use results in a few ways. Top covers say top 5 Clubs in Division Mid the next 7 and then under dog. Just use totals as an all round tactic. Use best top at home and best underdog away or difficult games. You can mix and match with your preferred formations. It is just a guide to help identify right tactic. AWAY GAMES SUS With regard to Away games it depends upon your own risk factor. I am gung ho and prefer to attack and perhaps win 1 game in 3. If isk adverse then use a defensive tactic and perhaps draw all 3 games. As a defensive formation I would use 4141 as it has a DM and protects wings, and KINGSTONIAN 4141 would be my choice. I use 3 DLs std higher much higher. If AI are going for balls over top then std but if AI attacking you can leave at higher ormuch higher. The LOE can be adjusted with or without DL adjustments. The simple answer is just drop LOE.. I use Cautious positive and attacking mentalities. For a SUS these are ideas to use. Use 4141 formation Remove pass into space Stop WB runs by go ing to defend or no nonsense FB Use Defend on DM or most defensive MC Change mentality Positive/cautious Add Time wasting Change from counter press and counter and full SUS would be to regroup and hold shape I tend to judge what to use by how the game is progressing as you may just to want to control game rather than a full SU SHOUTS FROM CADON Calm Down (win by 1 goal diff) - Praise (win by 2 goal diff) - Berate (loss by 2 goal diff) - Demand More (loss by 1 goal diff or draw) MARTINHO Guide to set up for Clubs especially Newcastle ROBER GUIDE TO CLUB SET UP New_Game_2 (1).pdf 322.53 kB · 27 downloads RDF TRAINING SCHEDULES For_Knaps_Tactics_One_Match_RDF.fmf19.24 kB · 176 downloads For_Knaps_Tactics_Two_Matches_RDF.fmf19.24 kB · 148 downloads Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) ME 21 7 ECHOES(TIME) 4231 (P100 EC) P103 !!!ME21.7TIMEKnap4231C(P100EC)P103.fmf Edited March 17, 2021 by knap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paolo.massaro Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Martinho said: i miei 2 centesimi - la tattica 4-3-1-2 del lato oscuro della luna più testata è la migliore in circolazione per le squadre d'élite / con la squadra giusta. Non riesco a far funzionare le tattiche della LIM e non riesco a convincermi ad andare senza attaccanti con i giocatori che ho. 5+ trofei in entrambi gli ultimi 2 anni. 72 gol Mbappe: Hi, which tactic have you used? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 5 hours ago, knap said: @Icondacarver There already is a ECHOES 4411 Found it, plugged it in and beat Liverpool 4-1 away in the FA Cup. Not much more to say 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
94RD Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 7 hours ago, knap said: ECHOES 4231 without long throws Can you share this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campagna Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 32 minutes ago, Icondacarver said: Found it, plugged it in and beat Liverpool 4-1 away in the FA Cup. Not much more to say Hi @Icondacarver, which Echoes 4411? There are 2 Echoes 4411 tactics on Google docs. ECHOES 4411 P100 EC CC or ECHOES VOL 2 4411 P105 FA :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVercetti Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Brighton - Potter as AM and everything set to him. Welbz bagging loads. New match engine, tested this morning. Tactic - !!FM21.6ECHOESKnap4231P111 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinho Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 @Augustin1979 @paulo.massaro Its actually quite a way down now on the list of top tested tactics (started with it about 2 weeks ago), but having tried 5 or 6 of the best tested ones this is the best IMHO in terms of consistency, results, goals, football played and posession - Tactic ID: 214153 Use it with my shouts guide on main post. My outfield 10 are all 4 / 4.5 / 5 star however 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Campagna said: Hi @Icondacarver, which Echoes 4411? There are 2 Echoes 4411 tactics on Google docs. ECHOES 4411 P100 EC CC or ECHOES VOL 2 4411 P105 FA On 09/03/2021 at 20:49, knap said: ME 21.6 ECHOES VOL2 4422 P105 FA !!FM21.6ECHOESVOL2Knap4411P105FA.fmf 45.08 kB · 140 downloads Hey @Campagna it is this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbelig Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 8 hours ago, knap said: @PAFC_Dugout Just as an observation wing play looks different in final third and more woodwork. When FMRTE is updated I will check on the long test on tactic performace. There was only GK Distribution last time but tactic results were down. I also noticed much more woodwork and missed one on ones. Seems that apart from throw ins, corners and indirect freekicks were tuned down a bit as well. Direct freekicks look the same, I still see a bunch of Messis scoring from everywhere in the Vanarama league. One final notice, it seems that AI reaction to big winning streaks is a bit more realistic. So, with the exact same team and tactics (4-3-1-2 btw) that I was having 30 shots per game vs 5 by the opponent and end up with something like a 2-2 draw, now I'm getting a lot less shots. Watching a match on key, I might not get a single highlight until half time at some cases. On the other hand, if I'm having a great first half, I find myself cornered on the second half more than I used to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackblenkiron Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Has anyone ran ‘!!FM21.6ECHOESKnap4231P111’ in the championship yet? Was thinking of giving it a blast with Birmingham when I get my PC fixed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKorr Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 23 minutes ago, jackblenkiron said: Has anyone ran ‘!!FM21.6ECHOESKnap4231P111’ in the championship yet? Was thinking of giving it a blast with Birmingham when I get my PC fixed. 21.3 with Blackburn, no transfers in the first season. 108 Points, Armstrong (STC) scored 39 in 38 games. Had to change to Holy ghostfire 21.6 103 P in the Prem though, I was getting destroyed after promotion. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanleycjames Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 are long throws now ineffective ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickZombie Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Not so much ineffective but you need the specialists to do them it seems. In league 2 of a tier 10 save i started, my long throw specialists I've noticed no difference. My backup right back with no throw in skill now throws like.....he has no skill in throw ins Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickZombie Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Playing a quick game before work and my backup left back with 8 throw ins no bullet throw has just laid on 3 goals off 7 throw ins Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsalai Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 On 14/03/2021 at 11:29, knap said: ME 21.6 SPIRIT IN THE SKY 32230 P106 CC !!FM21.6SPIRITIN THESKYBroeslyKnap32230P106CC.fmf 45.9 kB · 180 downloads Hi knap! Any chance this will work on 21.7? Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo1983 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) 30 minutes ago, stanleycjames said: are long throws now ineffective ? their not ineffective, they are now supposed to be dependent on how good the long throw stat of the taker is not the position they play Edited March 17, 2021 by pablo1983 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomzo_2 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Finding Beowulf 21.6 442 suddenly allowing a lot more opposition chances. Not sure if anyone else is using this tactic and finding similar? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share Posted March 17, 2021 @cfwhittle No reason why not as strikerless are still the best formation. The latest Baden Powell vid with HGF 41212 in VNS shoes 21.6 results. In Discord you can see the same test with 21.7 results.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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