SI Staff Seb Wassell Posted June 24, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted June 24, 2020 7 hours ago, Weston said: Right, but I'm not trying to have them mentor each other so much as keep them from being mentored by anyone else. Does that make sense? Mentoring is just a nudge in your desired direction. If they aren't influencing each other (even following being placed in the same mentoring group) then they are still open to being influenced by others in the squad (even outside of the mentoring group). Also, just a general heads up that you need a minimum of 3 players in a Mentoring Group for it to do anything (can see you've got 3 there Weston, so all good on that front). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 Hi @Seb Wassell, Does the group mentoring helping in relationships for tactical effectiveness? I mean: Putting my right side players in one group, center backs in other group etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Seb Wassell Posted June 25, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted June 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Cadoni said: Hi @Seb Wassell, Does the group mentoring helping in relationships for tactical effectiveness? I mean: Putting my right side players in one group, center backs in other group etc Mentoring does not affect Tactical Familiarity, if that is what you are referring to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Seb Wassell said: Mentoring does not affect Tactical Familiarity, if that is what you are referring to. Thank you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuxillo Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 After looking at quite a few websites and youtubes with inconclusive information about how mentoring works, I found this one. It seems official, so was encouraged. So I understand mentoring works only between players inside the same squad. No more mentoring Under-19's with your Model Citizens upstairs. I understand its not realistic and agree. So, from now on if you get a 200 pa player and is unprofessional and/or unambitious, you might as well sell or put in the B team with unhireable B-coaches. The player will under-develop until promotable to the first team, so its best to sell him. Got it. This basically makes under-19s non-viable really. I have to land a professional/model citizen/driven 16 year old with a pa of 200 (or whatever is the highest you could keep at the club unless highly loyal). So I'm into my 2nd year with a 2nd B division team in Spain. I'm within a year or two of going up to 1st division (currently in 2nd div). I'm thinking, whatever I sign is way better than what I can develop, got it. So fire the under-19 coaches and head of youth. I have a B team with no coaches. The Under-19's team doesn't have any fixtures generated even though my under-19's manager is in charge of scheduling friendlies, and neither does the B team. Not sure why i have those teams at the moment. So, its pointless to have them really. Its all a distraction from the game and wondering why I didnt go out for a beer instead. So, about current youth intake, they always suck, unless i go the cheap route and waste time reloading a save to get lucky and get a player with a pa of 130, wooohoooo!! But its pointless, since the player will not develop. Even if he does develop to 130 because he has the right personality, by the time he does, i need 160 ap players. So why waste resources and time. So i'm thinking youth systems are just a side show that may generate a player you might play in the first team, maybe in 500 tries, unless i go the reload save cheap "cheat" until something useful is produced. I'd be spending 70% of my time in FM20 just reloading and reloading and wasting time instead of playing. Otherwise, youth systems are a side show. Dont bother with B teams or under-19's if you want to play an honest game. Just go mercenary route and buy players the program feeds you and get actual real world "game time" in FM. For me, youth development now is broken. Its pointless really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 6 hours ago, kuxillo said: So I understand mentoring works only between players inside the same squad. No more mentoring Under-19's with your Model Citizens upstairs. I understand its not realistic and agree. So, from now on if you get a 200 pa player and is unprofessional and/or unambitious, you might as well sell or put in the B team with unhireable B-coaches. The player will under-develop until promotable to the first team, so its best to sell him. Got it. This basically makes under-19s non-viable really. I have to land a professional/model citizen/driven 16 year old with a pa of 200 (or whatever is the highest you could keep at the club unless highly loyal). We have 3 important attributes for development in Determination, Professionalism and Ambition. I don't think you get an Unprofessional personality? Unambitious only tells us he lacks Ambition, but he may still be Determined and Professional, so it's not a lost cause at all. Then there's still the overall squad personality that can influence a player. So get influential players in who have good personalities. Mentoring is another option, of course, if you decide to give him a couple of appearances here and there, especially if it's a hot prospect like that. 6 hours ago, kuxillo said: So, about current youth intake, they always suck, unless i go the cheap route and waste time reloading a save to get lucky and get a player with a pa of 130, wooohoooo!! But its pointless, since the player will not develop. Even if he does develop to 130 because he has the right personality, by the time he does, i need 160 ap players. So why waste resources and time. Don't stare blindly at the CA/PA numbers. The attribute spread and hidden attributes can mean a 130CA player is better than a 160CA player. I've had a 137CA player, rated 2.5* at the time, who kept out a player with 170+CA (I think 172 at the time), rated 4*, just because the 'weaker' player outperformed him. And even if it comes to the point where he has developed mostly and you don't find him good enough,, you should still be able to make decent money out of that player. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkn20 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 On 13/07/2020 at 23:15, kuxillo said: After looking at quite a few websites and youtubes with inconclusive information about how mentoring works, I found this one. It seems official, so was encouraged. So I understand mentoring works only between players inside the same squad. No more mentoring Under-19's with your Model Citizens upstairs. I understand its not realistic and agree. So, from now on if you get a 200 pa player and is unprofessional and/or unambitious, you might as well sell or put in the B team with unhireable B-coaches. The player will under-develop until promotable to the first team, so its best to sell him. Got it. This basically makes under-19s non-viable really. I have to land a professional/model citizen/driven 16 year old with a pa of 200 (or whatever is the highest you could keep at the club unless highly loyal). So I'm into my 2nd year with a 2nd B division team in Spain. I'm within a year or two of going up to 1st division (currently in 2nd div). I'm thinking, whatever I sign is way better than what I can develop, got it. So fire the under-19 coaches and head of youth. I have a B team with no coaches. The Under-19's team doesn't have any fixtures generated even though my under-19's manager is in charge of scheduling friendlies, and neither does the B team. Not sure why i have those teams at the moment. So, its pointless to have them really. Its all a distraction from the game and wondering why I didnt go out for a beer instead. So, about current youth intake, they always suck, unless i go the cheap route and waste time reloading a save to get lucky and get a player with a pa of 130, wooohoooo!! But its pointless, since the player will not develop. Even if he does develop to 130 because he has the right personality, by the time he does, i need 160 ap players. So why waste resources and time. So i'm thinking youth systems are just a side show that may generate a player you might play in the first team, maybe in 500 tries, unless i go the reload save cheap "cheat" until something useful is produced. I'd be spending 70% of my time in FM20 just reloading and reloading and wasting time instead of playing. Otherwise, youth systems are a side show. Dont bother with B teams or under-19's if you want to play an honest game. Just go mercenary route and buy players the program feeds you and get actual real world "game time" in FM. For me, youth development now is broken. Its pointless really. You are fundamentally wrong in your statements. Lots of things influence youth intake, not just random luck. The more tickets you buy for the lottery, the more chances you get to win it. Also in European football you need Homegrown players in the Roster, so you better start to take care of your young player if you want to ever be relevant in there... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
infisert Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 How am I supposed to use the Leadership courses? Is it for youngsters, or for established players that are Team Leaders? Since they feel so disconnected from the rest of the training to me, I don't really use them. The few times I've used them they didn't have any effect (though that was in FM19). I also wonder if Leadership can be mentored, or if the courses are the only way? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Experienced Defender Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 33 minutes ago, infisert said: How am I supposed to use the Leadership courses? Is it for youngsters, or for established players that are Team Leaders? Since they feel so disconnected from the rest of the training to me, I don't really use them. The few times I've used them they didn't have any effect (though that was in FM19). I also wonder if Leadership can be mentored, or if the courses are the only way? @Seb Wassell 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Seb Wassell Posted July 26, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted July 26, 2020 On 22/07/2020 at 22:44, Experienced Defender said: @Seb Wassell Leadership courses are best employed for players that have shown some aptitude for leadership but you'd like to further improve the attribute before considering them a "leader", maybe with an eye to them becoming Captain, Vice Captain or a Team Leader. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Seb Wassell Posted July 26, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted July 26, 2020 On 25/06/2020 at 01:45, Guest said: Hi @Seb Wassell, Does the group mentoring helping in relationships for tactical effectiveness? I mean: Putting my right side players in one group, center backs in other group etc Mentoring does not affect Tactical Familiarity. You want to look at your training sessions for that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yolixeya Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 9 hours ago, Seb Wassell said: Leadership courses are best employed for players that have shown some aptitude for leadership but you'd like to further improve the attribute before considering them a "leader", maybe with an eye to them becoming Captain, Vice Captain or a Team Leader. Does it matter how old the player is when taking these courses? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Seb Wassell Posted July 27, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted July 27, 2020 9 hours ago, yolixeya said: Does it matter how old the player is when taking these courses? Yes, but less so than their suitability for it 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serios Sim Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) I don't know if this has been answered before, but is there a maximum of players that should be in a mentoring group for it to be effective? or to phrase it in another way, would a 3 man mentoring group be more effective than one with 6? or is the number of players irrelevant? Edited July 27, 2020 by Serios Sim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Experienced Defender Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, Serios Sim said: would a 3 man mentoring group be more effective than one with 6? I would say yes, because it should logically be easier/faster for the mentor to exert his influence when he has fewer players to work with. But for a definite answer, we'll once again have to rely on Mr. @Seb Wassell 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Seb Wassell Posted July 28, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted July 28, 2020 17 hours ago, Experienced Defender said: I would say yes, because it should logically be easier/faster for the mentor to exert his influence when he has fewer players to work with. But for a definite answer, we'll once again have to rely on Mr. @Seb Wassell I think it's probably fair to leave you to experiment with that one and figure out what works best for you! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dekzeh Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Does being injuried influence mentoring? Let's say one of my most influential players gets a long term injury, am I better off switching the players he was mentoring into a different group until he gets back on training? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatanera Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Some training sessions - for example Att. Movement or Def. Positioning - where it lists the attributes covered say Individual Roles. I therefore made these foundational in my training system. However with my youth teams I’ve found it difficult to load in tactics and instead generally use the base formations. So my question is when a training session covers Individual Roles is it covering each player’s assigned individual role training or is it covering the role set in the position they’re assigned in the tactic? i.e. I have a lot of centre backs in my Roma youth system. They’re all assigned BPD-De training yet in the 3-4-2-1 formation I’ve slotted them all into the role is just CD-De. So, in a Def. Positioning session, would they be training as BPD or CD? This seems like a hard one, at least it’s a long one, so I’m just going to go straight the source @Seb Wassell 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Seb Wassell Posted August 20, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted August 20, 2020 3 hours ago, zlatanera said: Some training sessions - for example Att. Movement or Def. Positioning - where it lists the attributes covered say Individual Roles. I therefore made these foundational in my training system. However with my youth teams I’ve found it difficult to load in tactics and instead generally use the base formations. So my question is when a training session covers Individual Roles is it covering each player’s assigned individual role training or is it covering the role set in the position they’re assigned in the tactic? i.e. I have a lot of centre backs in my Roma youth system. They’re all assigned BPD-De training yet in the 3-4-2-1 formation I’ve slotted them all into the role is just CD-De. So, in a Def. Positioning session, would they be training as BPD or CD? This seems like a hard one, at least it’s a long one, so I’m just going to go straight the source @Seb Wassell 'Individual Roles' refers to the position/role in which they have been set to train via their own individual training. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sverige91 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 On 25/06/2020 at 01:13, Seb Wassell said: Mentoring is just a nudge in your desired direction. If they aren't influencing each other (even following being placed in the same mentoring group) then they are still open to being influenced by others in the squad (even outside of the mentoring group). Also, just a general heads up that you need a minimum of 3 players in a Mentoring Group for it to do anything (can see you've got 3 there Weston, so all good on that front). How long should we Wait to see an affect? I am mentoring 3 CB with together, and with one Significant influence since 4 months and no Change? I am mentoring position based, like CB with CB and Striker with Striker & out of 6 players in have seen a change in +1 Determination in Striker from 5 to 6 in four months. How should we setup groups to make this work?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkn20 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 7 hours ago, sverige91 said: How long should we Wait to see an affect? I am mentoring 3 CB with together, and with one Significant influence since 4 months and no Change? I am mentoring position based, like CB with CB and Striker with Striker & out of 6 players in have seen a change in +1 Determination in Striker from 5 to 6 in four months. How should we setup groups to make this work?! The less people the more effective, 3 minimum, you will see changes during few seasons, a point or 2 by season. There are not miraculous changes in personality and 5 --> 15 determination in a season anymore. Great change in FM20 in that respect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sverige91 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Sharkn20 said: The less people the more effective, 3 minimum, you will see changes during few seasons, a point or 2 by season. There are not miraculous changes in personality and 5 --> 15 determination in a season anymore. Great change in FM20 in that respect. There are only 3 people in group but if affects 2 points per season then It is a broken system because then you need already a "Professionel" "Model Citizen", because you cant train to be good in personality by increasing 2 every year! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Seb Wassell Posted August 23, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted August 23, 2020 On 22/08/2020 at 12:49, sverige91 said: How long should we Wait to see an affect? I am mentoring 3 CB with together, and with one Significant influence since 4 months and no Change? I am mentoring position based, like CB with CB and Striker with Striker & out of 6 players in have seen a change in +1 Determination in Striker from 5 to 6 in four months. How should we setup groups to make this work?! It is not something set in stone. Literally changing someone's personality can take time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkn20 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 19 hours ago, sverige91 said: There are only 3 people in group but if affects 2 points per season then It is a broken system because then you need already a "Professionel" "Model Citizen", because you cant train to be good in personality by increasing 2 every year! What would be broken is the other way around, you can't change the personality of any football player in one year, you can't get a lazy player to become an example in matter of few months, that's point blank unrealistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sverige91 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 7 hours ago, Seb Wassell said: It is not something set in stone. Literally changing someone's personality can take time. You didnt even answer the question? - yes personality change should take time but if we are not seeing any change, should we continue? Should we try with others players? How long can we Wait for this? "It is not something set in stone. Literally changing someone's personality can take time." - this is not a answer, it Is a game so we should expect some Kind of response if it is working or not? Maybe some comment why this is not working. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sverige91 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Sharkn20 said: What would be broken is the other way around, you can't change the personality of any football player in one year, you can't get a lazy player to become an example in matter of few months, that's point blank unrealistic. So how long should it take? Because they are unlikely to change after 22 years. If we are not seeing any change with mentoring between 19-21. There is no indication why this is not working or maybe SI should provide a list where which personalities should be mentored, because not seeing any change after 6-7 is frustrating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkn20 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, sverige91 said: So how long should it take? Because they are unlikely to change after 22 years. If we are not seeing any change with mentoring between 19-21. There is no indication why this is not working or maybe SI should provide a list where which personalities should be mentored, because not seeing any change after 6-7 is frustrating. you can expect few levels increase with the proper mentoring. Never expect an unambitius player become a model citizen though. That will never happen. If they increase 3 or 4 levels be extremely happy, i.e. unambituous --> balanced. Edited August 24, 2020 by Sharkn20 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Seb Wassell Posted August 24, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted August 24, 2020 21 hours ago, sverige91 said: should we continue? Should we try with others players? How long can we Wait for this? This is down to your best judgement as the manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sverige91 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Seb Wassell said: This is down to your best judgement as the manager It should be down to game developers to provide more information if something is not working. Maybe be little but helpful, should not avoid questions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, sverige91 said: It should be down to game developers to provide more information if something is not working. Maybe be little but helpful, should not avoid questions. The question isn't being avoided - as you can tell by Seb replying. They're obviously just shying away from giving away specifics. These things can't be narrowed down to specifics IRL, so it's not intended to be in FM. Tutoring was far too open to being 'gamed' so Mentoring is supposed to be much more realistic and following real life, complete with the uncertainty of exactly what and how much effect it will have. SI's trying to move away from gaming the system and 'if x then y' type of scenarios because these aren't set in stone IRL either. Observe. Tweak. Observe more. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dekzeh Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 21 minutes ago, HUNT3R said: The question isn't being avoided - as you can tell by Seb replying. They're obviously just shying away from giving away specifics. These things can't be narrowed down to specifics IRL, so it's not intended to be in FM. Tutoring was far too open to being 'gamed' so Mentoring is supposed to be much more realistic and following real life, complete with the uncertainty of exactly what and how much effect it will have. SI's trying to move away from gaming the system and 'if x then y' type of scenarios because these aren't set in stone IRL either. Observe. Tweak. Observe more. Whilst I agree the old system was way too prone to being abused and just poor and I don't agree with the way @sverige91 is going about it, it would make sense if we had more information visible in game. Right now we set up mentoring groups, and... wait? No way of knowing if it's working or not, if we did the right thing or not, if the game cares about players being from the same nationality, or speaking the same language, or being in the same training unit, or playing in similar positions, or being in the same social group, or a player being in another player's favoured personnel, or the little message that says 'Believe player X is a vital part of the team', or if an injuried player still influences his mentoring group, I could go on forever... In real life a manager would see on day to day training those little things and interactions and the players getting along or not, but in game we obviously can't see that. It's cool being up to the managers judgment, but if we have no info to go by other than guesswork, it's not ideal. It would be really good and not unrealistic if the game provided some sort of feedback, messages that said player X and Y aren't getting along well in the mentoring group, or that a player looks up to another. I'd even have negative effects like if a player feels pressured and doesn't think he'll ever be able to fit the mental requirements he sees on first team players and that drops some attributes. It's fine that it can take a month or a year or two to see changes in terms of attribute changes, I don't mind that, but I'd love more information to go by. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Just now, dekzeh said: Whilst I agree the old system was way too prone to being abused and just poor and I don't agree with the way @sverige91 is going about it, it would make sense if we had more information visible in game. Right now we set up mentoring groups, and... wait? No way of knowing if it's working or not, if we did the right thing or not, if the game cares about players being from the same nationality, or speaking the same language, or being in the same training unit, or playing in similar positions, or being in the same social group, or a player being in another player's favoured personnel, or the little message that says 'Believe player X is a vital part of the team', or if an injuried player still influences his mentoring group, I could go on forever... In real life a manager would see on day to day training those little things and interactions and the players getting along or not, but in game we obviously can't see that. It's cool being up to the managers judgment, but if we have no info to go by other than guesswork, it's not ideal. It would be really good and not unrealistic if the game provided some sort of feedback, messages that said player X and Y aren't getting along well in the mentoring group, or that a player looks up to another. I'd even have negative effects like if a player feels pressured and doesn't think he'll ever be able to fit the mental requirements he sees on first team players and that drops some attributes. It's fine that it can take a month or a year or two to see changes in terms of attribute changes, I don't mind that, but I'd love more information to go by. More info is always a good thing. Right now, we have monthly reports. If you have anything else to suggest, please do so in the feature requests section. These things affects us all and I'm never against more info or feedback. Right now, we do have some feedback and we can also monitor progress, but if you have suggestions, please do add them. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dekzeh Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 1 minute ago, HUNT3R said: More info is always a good thing. Right now, we have monthly reports. If you have anything else to suggest, please do so in the feature requests section. These things affects us all and I'm never against more info or feedback. Right now, we do have some feedback and we can also monitor progress, but if you have suggestions, please do add them. Genuine question, how do we monitor mentoring progress? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Just now, dekzeh said: Genuine question, how do we monitor mentoring progress? Right now, AFAIK, we get the monthly reports. That shows us whether we had positive or negative effects on the player. We can also check a player's progress, so we can see if they have Determination changes at the very least. There might be more, but it's what I can think of right now. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 If you (or anyone else) have more questions, I will do my best to answer based on what I know OR I will find out from SI if I dont. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sverige91 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 25 minutes ago, HUNT3R said: Right now, AFAIK, we get the monthly reports. That shows us whether we had positive or negative effects on the player. We can also check a player's progress, so we can see if they have Determination changes at the very least. There might be more, but it's what I can think of right now. This is what i mean, i am wasting almost 6-7 months of a players development in mentoring group that is not working. They should be atleast some feedback from Assistant that maybe their "personality is not matchning" or "i dont think that XX player is can mentor XX player" - i dont want very Quick development but some see some changes in personality in by +1 or - 1, i use In-game editor to monitor their process. My question was best way to put groups? It is position wise or personality wise? Or is it a good idea to out fickle player or mercenary with loyal players? Some kind to official guide because YOU guys are developers and know how things work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, sverige91 said: This is what i mean, i am wasting almost 6-7 months of a players development in mentoring group that is not working. They should be atleast some feedback from Assistant that maybe their "personality is not matchning" or "i dont think that XX player is can mentor XX player" - i dont want very Quick development but some see some changes in personality in by +1 or - 1, i use In-game editor to monitor their process. My question was best way to put groups? It is position wise or personality wise? Or is it a good idea to out fickle player or mercenary with loyal players? Some kind to official guide because YOU guys are developers and know how things work. YOU are the manager. YOU need to decide what's better and what's not. That is the point. We're trying to get away from "if x then y" sort of situations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rashidi Posted August 27, 2020 Author Share Posted August 27, 2020 On 25/08/2020 at 04:28, sverige91 said: My question was best way to put groups? It is position wise or personality wise? In the guide, its explained that you want them to ideally be part of the same unit. Being in the same social group also helps. You want the player to have some influence on the group. So a player like a team leader can be a very good mentor. Not every player is a good mentor. You as a manager choose what kind of personalities you don't want at the club. I can't overstate this. There is no magic pill. Managers like me have a simple way of player as long as you are fairly..."something" you are decent. A player with a balanced personality with 20 determination and 20 work rate can also be a good player. If you are looking for some kind of guide that says these are the attributes you aim for, these are the personalities you want and these are the personalities you exorcise, then you probably won't find it here. Now as far as mentoring time is concerned, it varies. Sometimes a player can have a significant bump in determination leading up to a personality change in 6 months, sometimes it feels forever, and that is common across the board. There is a simple reason why. It's because its random, and depends on other factors in the game. There are ways you can boost the chance of it happening, but that's entirely another thread and its purely subjective and that can depend on factors some may find hard to achieve. Personality is also not one attribute its a combination of attributes in the game, so to say you need a clear indication of it happening in the game is something thats beyond the scope of this guide, because ultimately personality development is supposed to be organic. For example, if you have a team of fickle players a player with model professional status could get negatively influenced. Bad apple and all that stuff. The best way to put your groups, by same unit. Ideally same social group, and find players higher up in hierarchy and time spent at the club to be your mentors. How long will it take, thats random. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JarheadFM Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Very good work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaster2 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Maybe it's already been asked and answered, but for mentoring it's better a small group (ex. 4-5 players max) or even large groups (8-9 players) are as good? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Experienced Defender Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 7 hours ago, DMaster2 said: Maybe it's already been asked and answered, but for mentoring it's better a small group (ex. 4-5 players max) or even large groups (8-9 players) are as good? My personal approach is to go with smaller groups (3-4 players). But that's just me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanziZoloman Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 On 27/08/2020 at 08:11, Rashidi said: In the guide, its explained that you want them to ideally be part of the same unit. Being in the same social group also helps. You want the player to have some influence on the group. So a player like a team leader can be a very good mentor. Not every player is a good mentor. You as a manager choose what kind of personalities you don't want at the club. I can't overstate this. There is no magic pill. Managers like me have a simple way of player as long as you are fairly..."something" you are decent. A player with a balanced personality with 20 determination and 20 work rate can also be a good player. If you are looking for some kind of guide that says these are the attributes you aim for, these are the personalities you want and these are the personalities you exorcise, then you probably won't find it here. Now as far as mentoring time is concerned, it varies. Sometimes a player can have a significant bump in determination leading up to a personality change in 6 months, sometimes it feels forever, and that is common across the board. There is a simple reason why. It's because its random, and depends on other factors in the game. There are ways you can boost the chance of it happening, but that's entirely another thread and its purely subjective and that can depend on factors some may find hard to achieve. Personality is also not one attribute its a combination of attributes in the game, so to say you need a clear indication of it happening in the game is something thats beyond the scope of this guide, because ultimately personality development is supposed to be organic. For example, if you have a team of fickle players a player with model professional status could get negatively influenced. Bad apple and all that stuff. The best way to put your groups, by same unit. Ideally same social group, and find players higher up in hierarchy and time spent at the club to be your mentors. How long will it take, thats random. After reading here I tried it out with some groups: within one week my Keeper changed from balanced to fairly determined. It‘s a shame that I had it on AssMan because I have several youngsters who now are long enough in the club that the Influence on other players is already average. I’m a little scared that they influence my leading players negative (?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoned_assasin Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Does age play any part for mentors? i have a 23 year old full back who is developing well and is driven would having him as a mentor slow down his own progress in any way? he's in the core group and shows up as average influence and the guys he would be mentoring show as light influence but are played in different positions as i am only aiming for the personalities to change of the "balanced" light influenced guys. I kind of get the feeling that mentors should be players at or close to their peak but hopefully im wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ush Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I have a VERY simple question My players regularly complain of training intensity not being high enough. But without me going into the calendar and manually keep adding sessions, I can't see a way to make it permanent. I even have messages from my assisstant saying "I feel the situation can be resolved by increasing the intensity of the training". BUT HOW???? There is no slider, or intensity dropdown etc. Can someone post a pic to show me what to do? I can't find the answer anywhere. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Experienced Defender Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Ush said: I have a VERY simple question My players regularly complain of training intensity not being high enough. But without me going into the calendar and manually keep adding sessions, I can't see a way to make it permanent. I even have messages from my assisstant saying "I feel the situation can be resolved by increasing the intensity of the training". BUT HOW???? There is no slider, or intensity dropdown etc. Can someone post a pic to show me what to do? I can't find the answer anywhere. Thanks You can set those players' individual training intensity to "Double" (if you already haven't). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ush Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said: You can set those players' individual training intensity to "Double" (if you already haven't). Yeah - I can do it individually - but what if I just want to double up the whole squad? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom14 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Ush said: Yeah - I can do it individually - but what if I just want to double up the whole squad? The 'rest' tab on the training screen allows you to set the intensity for players in condition bands. I set all players to automatic, and the two bands to the far right (I think it's players with >80%) I always set to double intensity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
04texag Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 On 20/10/2020 at 14:51, brookie1402 said: The 'rest' tab on the training screen allows you to set the intensity for players in condition bands. I set all players to automatic, and the two bands to the far right (I think it's players with >80%) I always set to double intensity. This is what I do, set all players to automatic and manage it in the % range. I also do the double intensity for the two most rested bands, but I always reduce this to normal in the winter period of the schedule when there's almost always 2 games a week. I'll put it back in mid Feb, early March. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatanera Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 This might be one for the SI staff and I am still on FM19 if it makes a difference but... I'm building out a network of foreign affiliates to hopefully have their youngsters come through in my youth intakes. Obviously I looked for affiliates in the likes of Brazil, Argentina etc. first. But I'm wondering, what factors are important for this? My facilities? The affiliate's facilities (Youth Facilities, Youth Recruitment, Junior Coaching)? Just the youth rating of the affiliate's nation? Or perhaps even the affiliate's HoYD has an effect? Given I have never had a high potential youngster actually come from one of my affiliates I'd be interested to know. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
04texag Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 On 05/05/2020 at 06:13, Guest said: 1. Personality 2. Man Management 3. Level of Displine 4. Determination 5. Motivating 6. Attacking, Defending, Mental, Technical, Tactical 7. Working with Youngsters Avoid personalities like: Casual, Easily discouraged, Fickle, Low determination, Low self belief, Mercenary, Slack, Spineless, Temperamental, Unambitious, Unsporting. ==== I've seen guides before on how to improve these negative personalities. I can't find it though. I'm specifically looking at addressing unsporting, fickle and mercenary. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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