Sid1984 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 How is this done? In my team the training is good as stats are going up but most of my players’ determination have gone down. Any reason why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Determination is not due to training. It might be due to your overall squad personality being of low determination. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 5 hours ago, phnompenhandy said: Determination is not due to training. It might be due to your overall squad personality being of low determination. I mean players who I had as 17 for determination has dropped to 15 within a few months. All other stats have gone up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Marshh Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 I would also like to know this. It's super annoying moving new youngster up to the senior team and then they lose like 1 determination each month. Is it because of the squads combined determination divided by number of squad members that each new player is moving towards? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 The squad's overall personality will influence youngsters. It is reported in coach reports as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
haagendasz Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 The coach reports only said that squad general atmosphere (or something like this) has positive effect to the player. is there any info about the squad personality? it used to be inside team reports but I checked there and I can’t find it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 13 hours ago, haagendasz said: is there any info about the squad personality? it's on your club screen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eckfahne Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Am 04.11.2018 um 12:09 schrieb Sid1984: How is this done? In my team the training is good as stats are going up but most of my players’ determination have gone down. Any reason why? In my experience raising the Determination attribute is best achieved with handing out warnings for poor pitch performances. Also helps greatly for getting up Work Rate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 13 hours ago, Eckfahne said: In my experience raising the Determination attribute is best achieved with handing out warnings for poor pitch performances. Also helps greatly for getting up Work Rate. It's about the whole squad personality. I go through my reserves and youth and prune out those with unspectacular star ratings and negative personality profiles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oenone87 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 19 hours ago, Eckfahne said: In my experience raising the Determination attribute is best achieved with handing out warnings for poor pitch performances. Also helps greatly for getting up Work Rate. Semi Related, telling your guys you noticed they trained well, then after a few of those 'noticing you trained well over the last few months' will give them +1 work rate. It's awesome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oenone87 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 I wasn't kidding! Felix has gone from 12.0 in July 18 to 17.6!!! in August 20 Tell your dudes they trained well! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkonggedek Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Some of them actually got pissed off when being praised though But so far I've noticed that this doesn't occurring as often as it was in the beta. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Seb Wassell Posted November 16, 2018 SI Staff Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 14/11/2018 at 18:29, Oenone87 said: I wasn't kidding! Felix has gone from 12.0 in July 18 to 17.6!!! in August 20 Tell your dudes they trained well! Hmm, that might be a bit much... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synx Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 15/11/2018 at 05:58, bangkonggedek said: Some of them actually got pissed off when being praised though But so far I've noticed that this doesn't occurring as often as it was in the beta. Mainly happens if you got low man management really. I always max it out, and haven't had a single person get mad when I compliment them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkonggedek Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Synx said: Mainly happens if you got low man management really. I always max it out, and haven't had a single person get mad when I compliment them. Don't really think so, as usually that's the attribute I'd prioritized to be maxed out over anything else, followed by Level of Discipline and Motivating. Of the two praise options I find the first one a much safer choice most of the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 I don't understand this, either. Both Barella's and Lautaro's determination went down by 1 due to "squad characteristics". Can we please get a FM where players don't act like teenage girls for every minor inconvinence? I don't understand what's even wrong in this case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said: I don't understand this, either. Both Barella's and Lautaro's determination went down by 1 due to "squad characteristics". As I have said - the younger players can get influenced by the overall personality of the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, HUNT3R said: As I have said - the younger players can get influenced by the overall personality of the squad. And I provided a screenshot with mental attributes and as you can see everyone is basically a model professional or even better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Just now, GunmaN1905 said: And I provided a screenshot with mental attributes and as you can see everyone is basically a model professional or even better. You provided attributes, but only 1 of which counts toward personality, so I really can't tell. You'll see the actual make up of your squad's average personality on the Club --> General screen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, HUNT3R said: You provided attributes, but only 1 of which counts toward personality, so I really can't tell. You'll see the actual make up of your squad's average personality on the Club --> General screen. I mean those are all class players, it's fairly obvious. And squad personality is officially listed as very determined. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Just now, GunmaN1905 said: I mean those are all class players, it's fairly obvious. And squad personality is officially listed as very determined. Class players doesn't mean perfect personality. Lautaro could obviously drop as he had the highest Det in the squad. Barella is a little confusing as his isn't that high and Very Determined obviously mean very high Determination. Maybe @Seb Wassell can clear up the latter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Just went over everyone's profile, because I'm really interested in how things work. Squad: professional - Handanović, Lautaro balanced (backup gk) light-hearted (backup gk) fairly professional - Jamerson, Politano fairly determined - De Vrij, De Angelis (regen, 18yo), Barella, Lombardi (regen, 18yo), Ibanez (regen, 18yo), Fekir perfectionist - Bastoni, Škriniar, Vrsaljko, Icardi resolute - Mario, Gagliardini, D'Amico fairly loyal - Marcelo (on loan, not a full time squad member) spirited - Telles, Chiesa driven - Nainggolan, Tonali fairly ambitious - Keita Squad hierarchy: Idk, as I said, really interested in how this works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 14/11/2018 at 18:29, Oenone87 said: I wasn't kidding! Felix has gone from 12.0 in July 18 to 17.6!!! in August 20 Tell your dudes they trained well! And to think that I avoided praising players repeatedly for their 9+ training performances because I was worried it might have negative side effects! - Barella's Determination going down does seem weird when it's a squad with a Very Determined personality, team leaders are all pretty determined, players like Naingolan are highly influential etc . Did you put him in a mentoring group with a bunch of relative whiners? Or maybe it's a "random event" decline that's been wrongly labelled... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, enigmatic said: Barella's Determination going down does seem weird when it's a squad with a Very Determined personality, team leaders are all pretty determined, players like Naingolan are highly influential etc . Did you put him in a mentoring group with a bunch of relative whiners? Or maybe it's a "random event" decline that's been wrongly labelled... No, I didn't mentor him. Signed him at the start of the second season and his agent demanded a key player role right away so I didn't mess with the mentoring because in previous versions it wouldn't work. Tonali for example got driven personality from Radja. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParanoidBuddha Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 I noticed this just in my u18/u20 teams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 25 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said: No, I didn't mentor him. Signed him at the start of the second season and his agent demanded a key player role right away so I didn't mess with the mentoring because in previous versions it wouldn't work. Tonali for example got driven personality from Radja. Did you actually get a coach report saying he's been influenced negatively because of the squad personality? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 32 minutes ago, ParanoidBuddha said: I noticed this just in my u18/u20 teams One of my youngsters that's training with the first team just also had a -1 to determination. I think it's the training. Both him and Barella were unhappy with the training workload. I have it set to double for everyone over 80% condition. 2 team daily sessions with third one being free during weekdays. Whenever I set it to 3 sessions I had a lot more injuries. 4 minutes ago, HUNT3R said: Did you actually get a coach report saying he's been influenced negatively because of the squad personality? So, whenever a 18yo kid is unhappy with something that he's not even right about (there's much better options for training right now than individual quickness training, his attributes are more than good enough for his age), his determination drops? Btw, I'm trying to retrain him as RB, currently has LM-CM-RM as his positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Just now, GunmaN1905 said: So, whenever a 18yo kid is unhappy with something that he's not even right about (there's much better options for training right now than individual quickness training, his attributes are more than good enough for his age), his determination drops? Btw, I'm trying to retrain him as RB, currently has LM-CM-RM as his positions This wasn't what I asked. I am trying to get specifics. DID you get a coach report stating that? WHEN did this drop happen? What else happened at the same time that could explain it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, HUNT3R said: This wasn't what I asked. I am trying to get specifics. DID you get a coach report stating that? WHEN did this drop happen? What else happened at the same time that could explain it? Sorry, I didn't know what you were referring to. No, coach reported nothing about training situation, only normal training reports and I just noticed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Just now, GunmaN1905 said: Sorry, I didn't know what you were referring to. No, coach reported nothing about training situation, only normal training reports and I just noticed it. But you can look at when the Det Attribute dropped and by how much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, HUNT3R said: But you can look at when the Det Attribute dropped and by how much. What does when have to do with anything if nothing was reported except for the usual minor unhappiness in training? In all cases it dropped by 1 whole point. Not by 0.5 or similar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Just now, GunmaN1905 said: What does when have to do with anything if nothing was reported except for the usual minor unhappiness in training? 12 minutes ago, HUNT3R said: I am trying to get specifics. 12 minutes ago, HUNT3R said: WHEN did this drop happen? What else happened at the same time that could explain it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 What exactly do you want me to say here? Report came on 30th of September, friday. It probably happened during that week because I don't check the profiles every 2 days. Nothing else was reported, nothing happened. It's a 18yo player training with the senior squad, but playing for u20s. Has his status set as available for u20, 90mins. That's why I'm bloody asking about this, because nothing that would suggest the drop happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Determination doesn't usually drop as a result of training unhappiness. At least some of my players are always whining Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkonggedek Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 I got some cases in my earlier saves this FM where my younger players peculiarly suffering a drop in their Determination as well. Most are happy enough with their training, rated well in training performances and my assistant actually reported that the squad better characteristics (most of them are Fairly Determined, Fairly Professional or Resolute) had a positive influence to their personality. The average value for Determination of my squad was not less than 12 yet some of the younger players somehow dropped to as low to 10. I already overwrote the save though so I'll try to remember to post a screenshot here when something similar happening again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Seb Wassell Posted November 16, 2018 SI Staff Share Posted November 16, 2018 3 hours ago, GunmaN1905 said: One of my youngsters that's training with the first team just also had a -1 to determination. I think it's the training. Both him and Barella were unhappy with the training workload. I have it set to double for everyone over 80% condition. 2 team daily sessions with third one being free during weekdays. Whenever I set it to 3 sessions I had a lot more injuries. So, whenever a 18yo kid is unhappy with something that he's not even right about (there's much better options for training right now than individual quickness training, his attributes are more than good enough for his age), his determination drops? Btw, I'm trying to retrain him as RB, currently has LM-CM-RM as his positions. It's not the training. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Seb Wassell Posted November 16, 2018 SI Staff Share Posted November 16, 2018 This will likely be down to them taking after a less determined player in their social group. If you think it is a bug please post in our bugs section. We'd need a save and any other info you think relevant (eg. screenshots), ideally the save will be before the issue occurs. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkonggedek Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 8 hours ago, Seb Wassell said: This will likely be down to them taking after a less determined player in their social group. If you think it is a bug please post in our bugs section. We'd need a save and any other info you think relevant (eg. screenshots), ideally the save will be before the issue occurs. Cheers. Hmm... never gave that much of a thought before. Maybe in my case my younger players who suffered a drop in Determination were influenced by the players with the lower value for it (most are of Fairly Professional personality, if I recall correctly) who happened to be in the same social group. That's a more sensible approach in player's personality development actually Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oenone87 Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Back to the Work Rate praise, Felix just hit 19.8 from 12.2. Awesomes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 6 hours ago, Oenone87 said: Back to the Work Rate praise, Felix just hit 19.8 from 12.2. Awesomes. That is awesome. So when I praise for good training and they respond with contempt, should I brush it off and praise them again the next time the assman bring s the report? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oenone87 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 On 17/11/2018 at 20:45, phnompenhandy said: That is awesome. So when I praise for good training and they respond with contempt, should I brush it off and praise them again the next time the assman bring s the report? Yeah just keep praising them. The benefits outweigh the negatives for sure. But I haven't seen anyone progress as well as Felix did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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