Uncle_Sam Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Quick question about the set pieces, and forgive me if this has been answered. Do you guys still use the set piece principles posted on FM:B a couple of years ago? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwfan Posted January 9, 2009 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 Quick question about the set pieces, and forgive me if this has been answered. Do you guys still use the set piece principles posted on FM:B a couple of years ago? Aye. I avoid 'ME breaking' set pieces like the plague question for WWFAN, when can we expect to see the tactic generator? It's not my project, but there are two different versions being developed by different sources. I'm currently doing Gundo's challenge so am playing with fairly untalented players! What would you recommend to get the best out of them? ie which mentality framework, which tactic to use most often out of standard, attack etc My preference is RoO at lower levels, BoT at intermediate and Role Theory at the higher end, but they are my frameworks, so I'm biased. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterlav1980 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Calling wwfan and Cleon, or anyone else who would care to help... I recently started a game with Aston Villa. I am using a global theory for mentality, creative freedom, closing down and passing: Mentality: 15 Creative freedom: 5 Closing down: whole pitch Passing: mixed Tempo: quick Width: wide I have been enjoying good success in the oppositions half, creating plenty of chances and scoring some attractive goals. However, one thing that has seen me almost stick my lap to out the window and jump out straight after it is my inability to keep clean sheets and my all round general abysmal defending. Carlos Cuellar and Martin Laursen, you would like to think, would form a pretty formidable centre back pairing - they don't. The one thing that they lack is pace. I think they both have 12 / 13 for pace and acceleration, and I think this is the Achilles heel of my team. My full backs are also around the 12/13 marks for pace and acceleration. Could you please make some suggestions as to how i can stop my defence leaking so many goals? I have tried my defensive line deep, to stop balls over the top, and teams just see that as a white flag and give me a battering. I have tried my defensive line at normal (10) and balls get knocked over the top and i get exposed for pace. I have tried playing my defensive line at 15 and again i get exposed for pace. Have you got any tips please for quality defenders - Laursen, Cuellar and Davies - who are not blessed with pace. Help me enjoy FM 2009. Thanx in advance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Toye Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I have a question. I am developing my tactics based on the Rule of One theory. I am taking the mentality values based on those numbers. If I develop an attacking or defensive tactic, are the mentality values the same? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhroX Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I have a question. I am developing my tactics based on the Rule of One theory. I am taking the mentality values based on those numbers. If I develop an attacking or defensive tactic, are the mentality values the same? Generally, regardless of the theory you're using, you will shift all the mentalities up or down for attacking and defensive versions while keeping the gaps between mentalities the same. A good amount would be +/- 3-4 notches. So, for example, a RoO might look like this: Position Defence Balanced Attack GK 3 7 11 DC 4 8 12 MCD 5 9 13 DRL 6 10 14 MRL 7 11 15 MCA 8 12 16 ST 9 13 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Toye Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 that's great thanks. I'm sure I will have more questions later in the day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonbyrneno.4 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Just wondering who was the creator of the Quieroz tactic that comes with the pack guys? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwfan Posted January 9, 2009 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 Just wondering who was the creator of the Quieroz tactic that comes with the pack guys? Millie and I made all the accompanying tactics. As far as I recall, the Queiroz one was mine, but they were all from the same template, so it could well have been Millie's. @ Peterlav1980: One of the weaknesses of global mentality is its propensity for being squeezed and caught out by direct passing. It compensates by being good going forward. The split mentality systems will help defensively, but you might lose your cutting edge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsson1888 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Millie and I made all the accompanying tactics. As far as I recall, the Queiroz one was mine, but they were all from the same template, so it could well have been Millie's. @ Peterlav1980: One of the weaknesses of global mentality is its propensity for being squeezed and caught out by direct passing. It compensates by being good going forward. The split mentality systems will help defensively, but you might lose your cutting edge. How do you feel the 2-6-2 mentality fairs? I've not tried it properly but I'm testing it with a couple of tactics I've made. What mentality do you prefer to use? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterlav1980 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Millie and I made all the accompanying tactics. As far as I recall, the Queiroz one was mine, but they were all from the same template, so it could well have been Millie's. @ Peterlav1980: One of the weaknesses of global mentality is its propensity for being squeezed and caught out by direct passing. It compensates by being good going forward. The split mentality systems will help defensively, but you might lose your cutting edge. thanks pal. i thought you were die-hard global. can you enlighten me little bit on split mentalities? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Sam Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Aye. I avoid 'ME breaking' set pieces like the plague I'm sorry brother, but do you have a link to that because I can't seem to find it at the FM:B site Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Toye Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I'm a bit confused in the Passing Options section. It says: "check on the position setup of the players around the passer. (mentality and forward runs)" What does that mean? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Toye Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Anyone care to shed some light? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinGoodey Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I'm a bit confused in the Passing Options section. It says: "check on the position setup of the players around the passer. (mentality and forward runs)" What does that mean? At a very simple level - if you have a player on short passes and low mentality (eg a MCd), but you have the MCa, the nearest winger to him, and both strikers on high mentality, and lots of forward runs, then they will all be a long way away from the MCd when he gets the ball, so with no one close, he has no passing options, and is likely to either have only a choice to pass back to your DC's, or to hoof it aimlessly up field when he gets pressured by the opposition. It works the other way with long passing - you need someone offering each player that option for him to have targets available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Toye Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 At a very simple level - if you have a player on short passes and low mentality (eg a MCd), but you have the MCa, the nearest winger to him, and both strikers on high mentality, and lots of forward runs, then they will all be a long way away from the MCd when he gets the ball, so with no one close, he has no passing options, and is likely to either have only a choice to pass back to your DC's, or to hoof it aimlessly up field when he gets pressured by the opposition.It works the other way with long passing - you need someone offering each player that option for him to have targets available. Fair enough, that's pretty impressive by the game if that is actually reflected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondPirate Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 My work will be ****ed. I just copied pasted the whole thing into word and printed. 23 pages!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Toye Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Here's the 3 templates for Rule of One theory. Intellectual property of both wwfan and millie (hope it's ok if I can put them up guys).Defensive Standard Attacking Hope that's ok. Ok, I am working on tactics based on the Rule of One theory, my formation though is at standard 4132. I have my defensive line + my dmc. Then I have my 2 wingers and 1 attacking midfielder, then my 2 forwards. Now my issue is, Team Instructions. For example, Mentality? Do I leave that as normal, because I am going to be issuing individual player instructions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinGoodey Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Ok, I am working on tactics based on the Rule of One theory, my formation though is at standard 4132. I have my defensive line + my dmc. Then I have my 2 wingers and 1 attacking midfielder, then my 2 forwards.Now my issue is, Team Instructions. For example, Mentality? Do I leave that as normal, because I am going to be issuing individual player instructions. Individual instructions overwrite team ones - so if every player has an individual instruction for something, then just leave the team one in the middle, cos it doesn't matter at all!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Toye Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Here's the 3 templates for Rule of One theory. Intellectual property of both wwfan and millie (hope it's ok if I can put them up guys).Defensive Standard Attacking Hope that's ok. Individual instructions overwrite team ones - so if every player has an individual instruction for something, then just leave the team one in the middle, cos it doesn't matter at all!! Ok, that sounds fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finknottle Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Individual instructions overwrite team ones - so if every player has an individual instruction for something, then just leave the team one in the middle, cos it doesn't matter at all!! Mentality. Individual instructions overide team instructions. This seems to be unanimously agreed upon. I seem to remember that the defensive line should be lined up with the team mentality. In order to ascertain where the team mentality is set, the procedure is thus. Using RoO, standard. GK mentality is 7, DC is 8, FB is 9, MCd is 10, MCa is 12, ML/R is 11, FCd is 11 and FCa is 15. These are added together [83]. They are then divided by the number of positions, [8]. This will give a team mentality of 10/11. This in turn gives the defensive line as 10/11, and therefore, the closing down as the same. Team mentality, closing down and defensive line should be linked together. Have I got it right, or more probably, wrong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonbyrneno.4 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Millie and I made all the accompanying tactics. As far as I recall, the Queiroz one was mine, but they were all from the same template, so it could well have been Millie's. wwfan, just wondering if you are going to making an "up-dated" version of this tactic or if you already have. I've been using this tactic with United, who obviously this tactic was more or less created for, but i'm struggling to get performances from my key players, ie Berbatov, Ronaldo and Rooney. Can you suggest any individual changes to their settings or any thing else. Besides from them not really performing everything else is working quite well. Defense is quite sturdy and my midfield are producing good performances Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slingerz Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Hey I'm also using the Queiroz tactic and just wondering if there are certain tweaks to be made regarding specific player instructions or should they be left to the global team instructions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Toye Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 if I wanted to build a team of good patient passing style - is it key to ensure my whole team possess good attributes in First Touch and Technique? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinGoodey Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Mentality. Individual instructions overide team instructions. This seems to be unanimously agreed upon. I seem to remember that the defensive line should be lined up with the team mentality. In order to ascertain where the team mentality is set, the procedure is thus. Using RoO, standard. GK mentality is 7, DC is 8, FB is 9, MCd is 10, MCa is 12, ML/R is 11, FCd is 11 and FCa is 15. These are added together [83]. They are then divided by the number of positions, [8]. This will give a team mentality of 10/11. This in turn gives the defensive line as 10/11, and therefore, the closing down as the same. Team mentality, closing down and defensive line should be linked together. Have I got it right, or more probably, wrong? In TT+F it says that D-Line should be similar to the mentality of the non-floating support role players - which in a 442 are usually the MCa and the FCd - so DL at 11/12 is about right. CLosing down - there is a formula for that in TT+F as well - and is for individual players based on their mentality and their position - defenders close down less than forwards. But don't forget that wwfan and millie have also said that TT+F is only a guide - it is NOT the only way to do things - so if you find that slightly different settings work - then stick with them! @Nick - you might want to add PASSING to that list As well as Off the Ball and Decisions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finknottle Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 RobinGoodey, Thanks for the information. I sorted out the closing down but was not sure of about the non floating support players. I'm still not sure exactly what the term means. Are all support players classed as non floating? Hellfire, if I was a bit more intelligent, I'd be thick! Kind regards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinGoodey Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 RobinGoodey, Thanks for the information. I sorted out the closing down but was not sure of about the non floating support players. I'm still not sure exactly what the term means. Are all support players classed as non floating? Hellfire, if I was a bit more intelligent, I'd be thick! Kind regards. The setup of your players' roles is as follows: 3 def, 2 support, 3 attack, plus 2 "floating" players The floating players are def in a def version of the tactic, are support in a standard version, and att in the attacknig version. These are (in a 442) normally your DR/DL. So the other two support players - who are support players in ALL the tactics, are the ones I was referring to as "non floating" support players. Hope this helps Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finknottle Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 The setup of your players' roles is as follows:3 def, 2 support, 3 attack, plus 2 "floating" players The floating players are def in a def version of the tactic, are support in a standard version, and att in the attacknig version. These are (in a 442) normally your DR/DL. So the other two support players - who are support players in ALL the tactics, are the ones I was referring to as "non floating" support players. Hope this helps So, in all three tactics the non floating support players are always the MCa and the FCd in a 4-4-2 formation? Please say "By George, I think he's got it!" Kind regards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Toye Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 @Nick - you might want to add PASSING to that list As well as Off the Ball and Decisions Sorry, Passing is something I have as a pre-requisite, almost as important as being able to walk without falling over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benedictus Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Hi, I always try to make a lower-league team a success...i think that is more fun than having a big team and just win matches with eyes closed...but in some way I can't manage to stay away from relegation...I tried several tactics and the problem seems that I can't score a lot of goals and if I score one than the opponent score immediately back... and can anyone help me with the fact that I have problems with harmony in my team...because of an unknown reason to me I always get this when my team plays bad...it's quite logical but how can I get rid of this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinGoodey Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 So, in all three tactics the non floating support players are always the MCa and the FCd in a 4-4-2 formation? Please say "By George, I think he's got it!" Kind regards. By George, I think he's got it! I should just add that that is TT+F's standard thoughts - just cos they say that these two players are set always as support, doesn't mean that you can't design a tactic where other players carry out that role eg You don't have any wingers that have great attacking attributes, but you do have 2 great strikers and a great MCa - nothing to stop you making the wingers permanently as your support players (ie more defensive duties than wingers normally have), and releasing the FCa, FCd and MCa as your permanent attacking players - in which case you would work from the mentality of the wingers to set your D-Line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
top man Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I have just sat here and read everything in this forum regarding the tactics and the theorems and frameworks. Have you not all realised what is going on ???? I have been playing footy manager since the dawn of the first one, i'm now on this great game 2009 and a great game it is ! But there is a flaw in just about every forum and every link you click on And here it is --- If your not Man Utd or Arsenal or one of the top side it aint going to work !!! i have used the theorems my tactics are correct i start well i even use the genie scout ( if i'm allowed to say that ) to get the best players posible for the club i am at, at the time. but i always do absolutly Rubbish and so is everybody in the forums there Crying out for a Tactic that Doesn't neccecarly wins everything, but lets them enjoy the game and give them the hope that they will be as big as the top guns one day... Everyone is complaining about the same thing ! THEY CAN'T WIN or even get close People create Tactics and say " here use my 10 trophy winning side tactic " and at the bottom who are they the manager off Man Utd or Arsenal Please for the love of god stop trying!!! this game is great in every way except one great BIG Flaw you can't F***ing Win The Box states 3+ i don't think my 7 year old could actually do it never mind enjoy seeing there favourite team do it wether it is Manutd at the top or Torquay utd at the bottom ( sorry torquay fans ) Al i want to do is enjoy the game get my tactics correct buy better player and enjoy a good cup run But you can't even beat the side that come up from the lower divisions.. Rant over Get somthing done about it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Toye Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I have just sat here and read everything in this forum regarding the tactics and the theorems and frameworks.Have you not all realised what is going on ???? I have been playing footy manager since the dawn of the first one, i'm now on this great game 2009 and a great game it is ! But there is a flaw in just about every forum and every link you click on And here it is --- If your not Man Utd or Arsenal or one of the top side it aint going to work !!! i have used the theorems my tactics are correct i start well i even use the genie scout ( if i'm allowed to say that ) to get the best players posible for the club i am at, at the time. but i always do absolutly Rubbish and so is everybody in the forums there Crying out for a Tactic that Doesn't neccecarly wins everything, but lets them enjoy the game and give them the hope that they will be as big as the top guns one day... Everyone is complaining about the same thing ! THEY CAN'T WIN or even get close People create Tactics and say " here use my 10 trophy winning side tactic " and at the bottom who are they the manager off Man Utd or Arsenal Please for the love of god stop trying!!! this game is great in every way except one great BIG Flaw you can't F***ing Win The Box states 3+ i don't think my 7 year old could actually do it never mind enjoy seeing there favourite team do it wether it is Manutd at the top or Torquay utd at the bottom ( sorry torquay fans ) Al i want to do is enjoy the game get my tactics correct buy better player and enjoy a good cup run But you can't even beat the side that come up from the lower divisions.. Rant over Get somthing done about it Oh deary me, a little less of the green eye monster and a little more of the composure is needed here. Be interested to hear other people's stories about how they have won trophies without being at one of those two clubs. Also in reality, how many other teams win trophies? Its all about relative success. For me at the moment, I am looking at cutting my teeth at Tranmere Rovers, and then maybe I will get a bigger and better job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finknottle Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 By George, I think he's got it! I should just add that that is TT+F's standard thoughts - just cos they say that these two players are set always as support, doesn't mean that you can't design a tactic where other players carry out that role eg You don't have any wingers that have great attacking attributes, but you do have 2 great strikers and a great MCa - nothing to stop you making the wingers permanently as your support players (ie more defensive duties than wingers normally have), and releasing the FCa, FCd and MCa as your permanent attacking players - in which case you would work from the mentality of the wingers to set your D-Line. Thanks muchly, RobinGoodey. You made an old miserable "git" smile. Now, how about helping me go the right way on this? After 15 minutes into a match, my ass. man. is happy. by half time our short passing is bad, our long passing is also bad. I have tried lowering/increasing the tempo and/or the width but to no avail. I have my "Nike" 4-4-2 system set up as per TT&F. As the team FWDs, RWBs, TTBs etc are in accordance also, I am assuming that I am going wrong somewhere with the players individual instructions. I have taken as a guide, the tactics graphics in this thread. Kind regards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonbyrneno.4 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 My current formation is based on the queiroz tactic in the pack. except i've change it to a 442 by pushing my AMC up to FWD. Rooney and berbatov are my prefered strike force but i'm not getting a great return from them. Their current individual settings are as follows:(i've also included my instructions for Ronaldo as he is doing really well for my United team) Rooney Mentality: 14 Creative Freedom: 14 Passing: 10 Closing Down: 18 Tackling: Mixed Forward Runs: Mixed Run with Ball: Mixed Long Shots: Mixed Through Ball: Mixed Cross Ball: Rarely Cross Ball From: Mixed Free Role: Yes Hold Up Ball: Yes Berbatov Mentality: 19 Creative Freedom: 14 Passing: 10 Closing Down: 11 Tackling: Mixed Forward Runs: Mixed Run with Ball: Mixed Long Shots: Mixed Through Ball: Mixed Cross Ball: Rarely Cross Ball From: Mixed Free Role: No Hold Up Ball: No Ronaldo (always AMR) Mentality: 20 Creative Freedom: 10 Passing: 10 Closing Down: 10 Tackling: Mixed Forward Runs: Often Run with Ball: Often Long Shots: Often Through Ball: Mixed Cross Ball: Mixed Cross Ball From: Mixed Free Role: No Hold Up Ball: No I've adapted Ronaldo's individual instructions and have achieved great results from him. Has scored 15 goals in 21 appearence since the change. But i still cant get the others to perform yet. Should i be setting them up differently (ie Rooney as my FC(a) and Berbatov as my FC(D)?? Any input is welcome Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Through balls often and Cross ball mixed for Rooney would be something normal to have,IMO.Lower his closing down,too Try using him as a To Feet full target man.In this case,give FwR often to Berbatov(and Cross ball mixed;and RwB often PS:I use the 'To Feet' supply with fantastic succes(both in lone striker or 2 striker formations) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonbyrneno.4 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Through balls often and Cross ball mixed for Rooney would be something normal to have,IMO.Lower his closing down,tooTry using him as a To Feet full target man.In this case,give FwR often to Berbatov(and Cross ball mixed;and RwB often PS:I use the 'To Feet' supply with fantastic succes(both in lone striker or 2 striker formations) What would happen if I had both Rooney and Berbatov on the same mentality and cf? Would it end up with both of them moving into the same positions and same movements off the ball? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finknottle Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 If someone could read my post [ four posts up] please? I am really struggling to get the team to pass consistently. My ass.man. says we are missing too many short passes. I slow the tempo. He then says we are missing too many long passes. No matter how I set the tempo if never seems right. I am playing a 4-4-2 RoO set, based upon the TT&F guide. I have also used the tactics wizard as seen above. I have my CF on low for all players, again after reading the TT&F. If someone could point me almost in the right direction, I would be ooooh sooooo...... grateful, you wouldn't believe! Kind regards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinGoodey Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 If someone could read my post [ four posts up] please? I am really struggling to get the team to pass consistently. My ass.man. says we are missing too many short passes. I slow the tempo. He then says we are missing too many long passes. No matter how I set the tempo if never seems right.I am playing a 4-4-2 RoO set, based upon the TT&F guide. I have also used the tactics wizard as seen above. I have my CF on low for all players, again after reading the TT&F. If someone could point me almost in the right direction, I would be ooooh sooooo...... grateful, you wouldn't believe! Kind regards. Changing tempo is unlikely to have the effect of making a specific aspect of your passing better. Personally I don't actually look at the assman feedback too much (although since I don't do fantastically well at the game, perhaps I should) But from reading other people's corrections to this - if he says that your short passing is poor - then look at the players who are on short passing, and change it, similarly with those that are on long passing when he complains about that. Whether that does actually work - I don't know - but it does seem logical. Also - look at the individual (and team) stats - are they as you want them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finknottle Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Changing tempo is unlikely to have the effect of making a specific aspect of your passing better. Personally I don't actually look at the assman feedback too much (although since I don't do fantastically well at the game, perhaps I should)But from reading other people's corrections to this - if he says that your short passing is poor - then look at the players who are on short passing, and change it, similarly with those that are on long passing when he complains about that. Whether that does actually work - I don't know - but it does seem logical. Also - look at the individual (and team) stats - are they as you want them? Thanks for the help. My individual player instructions are as in TT&F, the generic settings for the players. Try to keep it simple. My latest team instructions are taken from the TT&F wizard and are similar to those in the post just above here. Though, I seem to remember that the individual instructions in those tactics sets are not altogether correct. I wish I could remember where I read it. That is why I have difficulty in correctly designating the passing and creative freedom, individual positions. Kind regards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 If someone could read my post [ four posts up] please? I am really struggling to get the team to pass consistently. My ass.man. says we are missing too many short passes. I slow the tempo. He then says we are missing too many long passes. No matter how I set the tempo if never seems right.I am playing a 4-4-2 RoO set, based upon the TT&F guide. I have also used the tactics wizard as seen above. I have my CF on low for all players, again after reading the TT&F. If someone could point me almost in the right direction, I would be ooooh sooooo...... grateful, you wouldn't believe! Kind regards. First of all,don't really take into account your Ass-man feedback.The thing with shorter/longer passing depends on his football culture.Look at pass completion.Also, little CF for your midfielders (supposing at least 1 is creative type) is likely to prevent him from making decisive passes and it only confuses him(IMO) I have the MCd with CF first notch of normal and the MCa last notch of normal.Both are having pass completion over 88%.(The MCd even higher sometimes) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stvndysn Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 personally i disagree with ignoring AssMan's advice. why? when he tells you that it would advisable to close down someone, if you dont do it, that player then has an edge over you, but if you close him down, he has less chance of beating you. if you follow his advise, then what he suggests goes away, but remember to go back to him every so often as he will give more advise on others players and success is more likely to happen. this is something ive tested with huddersfield in the premiership where every team makes me the underdog. working with the AssMan against chelsea i won 2-0 working without AssMan against blackburn i lost 4-2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leaderoftheshed Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Has anyone got any good settings for goal-scoring wingers in the AML/R positions in a 4-1-2-2-1 formation? My wingers perform ok but never have any shots. When I watch the matches they only ever try to take on the full back and cross. my settings are usually: forward runs often run with ball often cross ball often long shots rarely free role, mentality around the 13 mark I am wondering whether goal-scoring wingers should have a higher mentality than the Fc? effectively making them the FCas? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZdlR Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Take off cross ball often and tell them to cross from deep. Otherwise, they'll try to get to beat their man to get to the byline and cross from there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 personally i disagree with ignoring AssMan's advice.why? when he tells you that it would advisable to close down someone, if you dont do it, that player then has an edge over you, but if you close him down, he has less chance of beating you. if you follow his advise, then what he suggests goes away, but remember to go back to him every so often as he will give more advise on others players and success is more likely to happen. this is something ive tested with huddersfield in the premiership where every team makes me the underdog. working with the AssMan against chelsea i won 2-0 working without AssMan against blackburn i lost 4-2. I was reffering mostly to the passing advice('we should try Longer/shorter style of play'..'_ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stvndysn Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 that as well adrian, he's telling you that the passing your using isnt working that well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finchy^ Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Hi Chaps Ok thought I would post up as I am having some problems with my formations. I have read and re read TT&F and understand it and have adapted a 4-4-2 BoT style play for my Man City game. Before I adopted it I was struggling in 17th in the Prem and am now up to 13th with a 2-0 win over Borro, 1-0 over Wigan and 2-1 win over Villa so all good in the league. However I am having some problems, I recently played Valencia away from home and lost 4-2, I went defensive and had a whole bunch of AssMan things telling me that SWP plays a more direct stlye blah blah blah. I also found that my players got really easily turned or the strikers were getting in behind my defenders and so thus leaving me open, any suggestions? I figure that maybe a lower defensive line would help? Most of the defenders are set to Man Mark but I feel this leaves them exposed as they turn easily. Basically I dont think Dunne and Kompany are up to the job really. I had the same thing happen to me when I played Arsenal in the league cup, lost 4-2. I actually took the league but yes defenders were getting turned easily. But yes things are going fairly well which is good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alurny Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 I'm doing perfectly fine defensively, but my solidarity at the back has lead to a new problem, most goals I conceed are from range. I really don't know what I can do, if players like Senderos are scoring 30 yarders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stvndysn Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 I'm doing perfectly fine defensively, but my solidarity at the back has lead to a new problem, most goals I conceed are from range. I really don't know what I can do, if players like Senderos are scoring 30 yarders try closing the midfield down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alurny Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 try closing the midfield down Is there a balanced way to do this? Because I know, once I increase my closing down, then my defenders will get pulled out of position.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stvndysn Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 select close down in the OI (opposition instructions) during match for each midfield player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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