Increase Youth Recruitment

[proudlock]

Was wondering what affect increasing the youth recruitment level for my team will have? 

I always prefer to bring through youth players who are local to the club I am managing and I suspect that increasing this will have the affect of giving me a youth intake from a wider range of places, albeit with a better standard of player? 

 

[KlaaZ]

It increases the chance of higher PA players.

[Bigpole]

1 hour ago, proudlock said:

Was wondering what affect increasing the youth recruitment level for my team will have? 

I always prefer to bring through youth players who are local to the club I am managing and I suspect that increasing this will have the affect of giving me a youth intake from a wider range of places, albeit with a better standard of player? 

 

it broadens your 'youth intake range'. You won't get players from your city only but from cities nearby as well (and this increase chances of getting quality youth)

[proudlock]

19 hours ago, Bigpole said:

it broadens your 'youth intake range'. You won't get players from your city only but from cities nearby as well (and this increase chances of getting quality youth)

Ok cheers, that is what I thought it might mean. I take it you would still recommend increasing it then?  Should still get some players local to my club and hopefully better standard ones too?

[Bigpole]

46 minutes ago, proudlock said:

Ok cheers, that is what I thought it might mean. I take it you would still recommend increasing it then?  Should still get some players local to my club and hopefully better standard ones too?

This is 3rd (after youth facilities and youth coaching) most influential thing when it comes to youth intake so yes, if these two are maxed out go for recruitment.

[herne79]

4 minutes ago, Bigpole said:

This is 3rd (after youth facilities and youth coaching) most influential thing when it comes to youth intake so yes, if these two are maxed out go for recruitment.

@Andrew James  Can you please confirm this?  In the work I did with Seb last year he didn't mention anything about Youth Recruitment, Youth Facilities or Youth Coaching being more or less influential than each other in terms of newgen quality.  Cheers.

[Bigpole]

1 hour ago, herne79 said:

@Andrew James  Can you please confirm this?  In the work I did with Seb last year he didn't mention anything about Youth Recruitment, Youth Facilities or Youth Coaching being more or less influential than each other in terms of newgen quality.  Cheers.

what I meant is that youth facilities and coaching are most important when it comes to newgen quality, youth recruitment is less important but it has an effect.

[Bigpole]

and of course if we exclude nation youth rating in this equation.

[DavyDepuydt1]

Btw, as far as I know it's like this:

Recruitment = Newgen PA
Junior Coaching = Newgen CA
Youth Facilities = Newgen Both CA & PA
Training facilities = Rate of CA improvement

So saying coaching is more important than recruitment would not make much sense since they impact different aspects of the young players.

Saying Youth Facilities are the most important one is certainly a valid point to defend since you can say 'it impacts both CA and PA, and the two others impact only CA or PA'
And possibly in code youth facilities impact CA or PA more then junior coaching impacts CA or recruitment impacts PA but that's something that only si can confirm or deny

[markyosullivan]

14 minutes ago, DavyDepuydt1 said:

Btw, as far as I know it's like this:

Recruitment = Newgen PA
Junior Coaching = Newgen CA
Youth Facilities = Newgen Both CA & PA
Training facilities = Rate of CA improvement

So saying coaching is more important than recruitment would not make much sense since they impact different aspects of the young players.

Saying Youth Facilities are the most important one is certainly a valid point to defend since you can say 'it impacts both CA and PA, and the two others impact only CA or PA'
And possibly in code youth facilities impact CA or PA more then junior coaching impacts CA or recruitment impacts PA but that's something that only si can confirm or deny

What affect does better coaches have on the youth players?

[herne79]

21 minutes ago, DavyDepuydt1 said:

Btw, as far as I know it's like this:

Recruitment = Newgen PA
Junior Coaching = Newgen CA
Youth Facilities = Newgen Both CA & PA
Training facilities = Rate of CA improvement

So saying coaching is more important than recruitment would not make much sense since they impact different aspects of the young players.

Saying Youth Facilities are the most important one is certainly a valid point to defend since you can say 'it impacts both CA and PA, and the two others impact only CA or PA'
And possibly in code youth facilities impact CA or PA more then junior coaching impacts CA or recruitment impacts PA but that's something that only si can confirm or deny

Youth Recruitment, Junior Coaching and Youth Facilities all impact newgen quality, both CA and PA.  Unless that was changed for FM19 without telling anyone (@Andrew James), this was confirmed by @Seb Wassell a while ago.

9 minutes ago, markyosullivan said:

What affect does better coaches have on the youth players?

 

Training and playing in matches at a relevant level is important for all players, however for under 18 players Training takes precedence.  The quality of coaches play a big part in training so employ the best coaches that you can.

If however you are asking about "Junior Coaching", that impacts newgen quality only and has nothing to do with training the actual young players in your squads.

[DavyDepuydt1]

@herne79 I'm basing what I said on something Neil Brock said in this post last year:

 

[Bigpole]

44 minutes ago, DavyDepuydt1 said:

Btw, as far as I know it's like this:

Recruitment = Newgen PA
Junior Coaching = Newgen CA
Youth Facilities = Newgen Both CA & PA
Training facilities = Rate of CA improvement 

So saying coaching is more important than recruitment would not make much sense since they impact different aspects of the young players.

Saying Youth Facilities are the most important one is certainly a valid point to defend since you can say 'it impacts both CA and PA, and the two others impact only CA or PA'
And possibly in code youth facilities impact CA or PA more then junior coaching impacts CA or recruitment impacts PA but that's something that only si can confirm or deny

training facilities is for current squad players, not for newgens so it affects only when players are already in the club, not when there's a youth intake.

Coaching is more important when newgens are coming to your club. Youth recruitment is 'scouting range' so it affects the area of youth players your club is choosing from.

[DavyDepuydt1]

3 minutes ago, Bigpole said:

training facilities is for current squad players, not for newgens so it affects only when players are already in the club, not when there's a youth intake.

Coaching is more important when newgens are coming to your club. Youth recruitment is 'scouting range' so it affects the area of youth players your club is choosing from.

I'm not saying training facilities is for newgens... I say it's the rate/speed at which CA improves (so obviously this is squad players, since the starting point is the newgen's original CA when he comes into your squad)

And I'm just trying to give an explanation CA/PA wise to the concept of junoir coaching, youth recruitment and youth facilities... 

[herne79]

5 minutes ago, DavyDepuydt1 said:

I'm just trying to give an explanation CA/PA wise to the concept of junoir coaching, youth recruitment and youth facilities...

I know, that's why I've pinged the guys at SI who were and now are directly responsible for this area of the game for their confirmation .

[proudlock]

Well, I increased my youth recruitment range and have had my first batch of youth players since, and I have to say I'm pretty disapointed.  I'm managing Stockport County and previously a large chunk of my intake was from Stockport, with the rest from nearby (Manchester etc).  This time my stand out player was Croatian (although he has dual nationality English) and the rest seem to be from all over the UK.  To make matters worse first impressions are its not an especially strong intake with only the Croatian bloke looking like he might end up good enough to break through.

I've asked the board to cut back youth recruitment a couple of times since but they just say no, so looks like I am stuck at this level now.  Hopefully I will get more lucky with future intakes.

[KlaaZ]

4 hours ago, proudlock said:

Well, I increased my youth recruitment range and have had my first batch of youth players since, and I have to say I'm pretty disapointed.  I'm managing Stockport County and previously a large chunk of my intake was from Stockport, with the rest from nearby (Manchester etc).  This time my stand out player was Croatian (although he has dual nationality English) and the rest seem to be from all over the UK.  To make matters worse first impressions are its not an especially strong intake with only the Croatian bloke looking like he might end up good enough to break through.

I've asked the board to cut back youth recruitment a couple of times since but they just say no, so looks like I am stuck at this level now.  Hopefully I will get more lucky with future intakes.

Upgrading your youth recruitment is no guarantee for a better youth intake but it will improve your chances of getting better youngsters, so asking to downgrade it makes absolutely no sense. 

[Andrew James]

On 09/05/2019 at 12:57, herne79 said:

Youth Recruitment, Junior Coaching and Youth Facilities all impact newgen quality, both CA and PA.

This is correct. They each affect Youth Intakes in different ways (eg. Youth Recruitment will mean you're more likely to have better youngsters at the club, even though it doesn't affect individual players' progression), but it is true to say that all three will have an impact on the CA and PA of your Youth Candidates.

Just to clarify - once your Youth Candidates have been revealed, Youth Recruitment, Junior Coaching and Youth Facilities will no longer have an affect on their progress. At this point it is down to training facilities, coaches and match experience.

Cheers,

Andrew

[Seb Wassell]

Training Facilities
The training facilities available for all visible players at the Club, senior and youth. The quality directly impacts upon player progression and training injuries.
Youth Recruitment
The Club’s recruiting of Juniors, those of home and foreign origin. Impacts Newgen quality.
Youth Facilities
The facilities available for Juniors only. Impacts Newgen quality.
Junior Coaching
The quality and quantity of Junior Coaches at the Club. Impacts Newgen quality.

"Impact upon Newgen quality" = both CA and PA.

"Juniors" = invisible pre-Newgen aged players.

[ExeChris]

Is it worth trying to find the "best" Head of Youth Development you can find?  I always assumed he had a role in the quality of the Youth Intake?

[herne79]

2 hours ago, ExeChris said:

Is it worth trying to find the "best" Head of Youth Development you can find?  I always assumed he had a role in the quality of the Youth Intake?

He can play a part in influencing newgen personalities, so yes it can be worthwhile.  The "quality" of youth intake being discussed above is to do with the ability and potential of newgens, not personality.

[KlaaZ]

45 minutes ago, herne79 said:

He can play a part in influencing newgen personalities, so yes it can be worthwhile.  The "quality" of youth intake being discussed above is to do with the ability and potential of newgens, not personality.

If I remember correctly, he can also influence the occasional freak newgen coming through the ranks. He also influences positions afaik, depending on his favourite playstyle and such.

Does anyone know what effect the quality of your youth coaches has on your intake? That's one area which is still pretty vague. 

[Bigpole]

13 hours ago, yaniskaty said:

I always prefer to bring through youth players who are local to the club I am managing and I suspect that increasing this will have the affect of giving me a youth intake from a wider range of places, albeit with a better standard of player? 

yes, you can have local players in your club, but some of them are just born in other parts of the region, especially if you have high number of cities in that region.