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[Sheriff7]

 

[decapitated]

I wonder what the reason for the delay is? I imagine its for boring reasons not to do with the content of the actual game, but you never know.

[Henryjnr]

How can I get the real player names for the mobile game

[clemo]

Probably licencing issues or some crap like that. I bet FM 20 is a glorified data update for FM 19

[Hovis Dexter]

It’s probably just PR to build up the hype for FM20

[decapitated]

At least the outcome of Brexit will be clearer on in FM2020. EPL wants 14 foreign player limit, the FA wants a 10 foreign player limit, so it will be between 10-14 and I've not heard any mention about wage limits on top of that in the press. 

[Carambau]

Really can´t wait to hear some more

Edited August 14, 2019 by Carambau

[RBKalle]

I've heard rumours about even more in-depth training modules... Please god, make it be false...

Seriously, I'm not holding my breath... We'll get some new features, interesting on paper but sadly half-baked and/or poorly implemented.

We all know what the priority should be... better AI for transfers and squad building. No more top-EPL players available on Free Transfer in the first/second summer transfer window, with no takers at all.
No more "let's splash 50M on a deeply flawed newgen with high PA or Rep while ignoring the league's topscorer because he plays for Bournemouth and has 140PA".

How long can the game rely on an ancient concept like the CA+PA+Reputation trifecta?

[metallimuse]

2 hours ago, decapitated said:

At least the outcome of Brexit will be clearer on in FM2020. EPL wants 14 foreign player limit, the FA wants a 10 foreign player limit, so it will be between 10-14 and I've not heard any mention about wage limits on top of that in the press. 

Oww I've not seen that. That's the way it's shaping up is it? So with a 25 man squad shaping up like minimum 10 players must be English? Or British?

[markyosullivan]

I hope FM isn't having an issue with Juventus like the way FIFA had

[metallimuse]

3 minutes ago, markyosullivan said:

I hope FM isn't having an issue with Juventus like the way FIFA had

From what I read it said console only and FM would be unaffected.

[decapitated]

1 hour ago, markyosullivan said:

I hope FM isn't having an issue with Juventus like the way FIFA had

What was the issue? If it's over the name of the club and the kit, thats similar to what's happening currently in FM in the Brazilian leagues. If it's the name of the players it might be a bit more difficult.

 

1 hour ago, metallimuse said:

Oww I've not seen that. That's the way it's shaping up is it? So with a 25 man squad shaping up like minimum 10 players must be English? Or British?

It's reported for some time in the Times but I no longer read it so I'm unsure of the latest. Theres an agreement about it being between 10 and 14 foreigners (with the implication for those foreign players there will be no restrictions based on international caps like currently, so a South American can move just as easily as an EU national) but the FA and EPL can't agree on the exact number. 

[markyosullivan]

14 minutes ago, decapitated said:

What was the issue? If it's over the name of the club and the kit, thats similar to what's happening currently in FM in the Brazilian leagues. If it's the name of the players it might be a bit more difficult.

 

It's reported for some time in the Times but I no longer read it so I'm unsure of the latest. Theres an agreement about it being between 10 and 14 foreigners (with the implication for those foreign players there will be no restrictions based on international caps like currently, so a South American can move just as easily as an EU national) but the FA and EPL can't agree on the exact number. 

FIFA weren't allowed to use their official name and official kits. The license was only granted to PES.

[armbi]

After playing about 60 hours of FM 19, I decided to quit until there is no significantly progress in the match engine Hope FM 2020 will surprise me.

[RBKalle]

18 minuti fa, armbi ha scritto:

After playing about 60 hours of FM 19, I decided to quit until there is no significantly progress in the match engine Hope FM 2020 will surprise me.

I wouldn't expect a revolution... The current ME isn't old enough for SEGA/SI to introduce a new one (although it'd be a good idea).

IMO it's not *that* bad once you've learnt to live with its many quirks. This year it's the forwards' lack of movement and initiative. They get beaten by both opponents and teammates for the ball inside the box... Especially when playing with the lone striker, he'll score little, while wingers and CMs will reach double-digits with ease.

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, armbi said:

After playing about 60 hours of FM 19, I decided to quit until there is no significantly progress in the match engine Hope FM 2020 will surprise me.

About 1000+ here. I will buy FM 2020 after April 2020. I am not doing the same mistake like FM 2019; which I bought it since day one.

[CFuller]

Every ME has its quirks, and FM19's is no different. In my view, it's not even remotely as bad as many users make out. I certainly wouldn't expect SI to just rip it up and start again just because there are a few too many long shots, or because a small percentage of users can't get strikers to score 20+ goals.

I'm interested to know what exactly would please some of the more cynical users on here in terms of new features for FM20. VR integration? FIFA-style graphics? The ability to unleash a lion onto the pitch when you're 1-0 down with 10 minutes to go?

My point is that FM is already so detailed that I honestly can't think of any more 'ground-breaking' features SI could realistically introduce. I'd actually be okay with SI just improving what they already have, even if it would of course lead to the usual cries of, "It's just a glorified data update." 

Edited August 14, 2019 by CFuller

[Deisler26]

29 minutes ago, CFuller said:

Every ME has its quirks, and FM19's is no different. In my view, it's not even remotely as bad as many users make out. I certainly wouldn't expect SI to just rip it up and start again just because there are a few too many long shots, or because a small percentage of users can't get strikers to score 20+ goals.

I'm interested to know what exactly would please some of the more cynical users on here in terms of new features for FM20. VR integration? FIFA-style graphics? The ability to unleash a lion onto the pitch when you're 1-0 down with 10 minutes to go?

My point is that FM is already so detailed that I honestly can't think of any more 'ground-breaking' features SI could realistically introduce. I'd actually be okay with SI just improving what they already have, even if it would of course lead to the usual cries of, "It's just a glorified data update." 

FIFA graphics and the ability to spend some of the wages you've accumulated

[CFuller]

5 minutes ago, Deisler26 said:

FIFA graphics and the ability to spend some of the wages you've accumulated

To fund any coaching badges, I could agree with that. Just bear in mind that most of a manager's wages would go on personal stuff rather than on football.

Edited August 14, 2019 by CFuller

[Deisler26]

21 minutes ago, CFuller said:

To fund any coaching badges, I could agree with that. Just bear in mind that most of a manager's wages would go on personal stuff rather than on football.

Oh, I don't want this. I'm saying what the peanut gallery want

[StevehFC]

Hopefully a number of issues that have been in the game for years without being fixed are fixed or toned down a bit. 

No doubt they won't. 

[YUK0N]

Fifa has come out with a manager mode. Not sure how big this is for FM players like us, But I have to say I will be defiminately checking it out for that reason. I said this a few months ago the big guys were coming after this game and want the people who play this to switch over and this years Fifa is the first sign of them really taken a turn towards that. And if and once they get it they'll ruin it like everything else. I'm still gonna check it out as I'm sure others will but will give SI one more year to see if the improvements are there... The engine needs fixing.

 

 

Edited August 14, 2019 by YUK0N

[Zek]

1 hour ago, CFuller said:

My point is that FM is already so detailed that I honestly can't think of any more 'ground-breaking' features SI could realistically introduce. I'd actually be okay with SI just improving what they already have, even if it would of course lead to the usual cries of, "It's just a glorified data update." 

I think better AI squad building and dynamic youth rating for countries would be two ground-breaking features. But I don't see those happen anytime soon, if at all.

[CFuller]

4 minutes ago, YUK0N said:

Fifa has come out with a manager mode. Not sure how big this is for FM players like us, But I have to say I will be definately checking it out for that reason. I said this a few months ago the big guys were coming after this game and want the people who play this to sswitch over and this years Fifa is the first sign of them really taken a turn towqards that. And if and once they get it they'll ruin it like everything else. I'm still gonna check it out as I'm suure others will but will give SI one more year to see if the improvements are there... The engine needs fixing.

FIFA Career Mode - now that's something which has hardly changed at all over the last five years. 

All I'm hearing about this is that more FIFA CM players are considering switching to FM (if they haven't done so already), rather than the other way round. That's a real sign of just how stagnant FIFA CM has become compared to FM.

Anyway, to stay on topic, please specify what you mean when you say "the engine needs fixing".

[YUK0N]

The FM engine it needs fixing and upgrading. And yes I know that the career mode has hardly been changed but from whats being said there really hoping this year that there have made bigger progress towards this. I doubt it will ever be as indept as FM but who knows.

[CFuller]

Well, I'm glad you've cleared that up. 

[YUK0N]

yea  um you asked, I really had thought you could have figured it out yourself but was giving you the benefit of the doubt

[CFuller]

"The ME needs fixing."

"What specifically needs fixing?"

"The ME needs fixing and upgrading."

 

[YUK0N]

Quote

"The ME needs fixing."

"What specifically needs fixing?"

"The ME needs fixing and upgrading."

You can't be serious right? Because if you are then I doubt you play in 3d as do others. When your seeing one thing and something else is what really happened. When you see graphics and animations glitch or just happen because the right animation isn't in there anyways. Its no where like what real soccer is like. And its outdated and it looks like its from 1990. If Fifa or Pes ever really did a Manager mode close to the depth of this game this game would be finished. I watch every game on faster speed even my friendly's. And after a while you notice other things to that you would not notice if you watch 2D and switch to 3D for highlights. Ive got almost 4000 hours in it and over ten straight seasons of watching every match. When you do that you realize the game is very unrealistic, you realize the engine is way outdated and and when you see it not being being fixed year after year and you see other games heading in the Manager mode way you realize that this game doesn't have a lot of time left and that's truly something I don't want to see happen.

[CFuller]

9 minutes ago, YUK0N said:

You can't be serious right? Because if you are then I doubt you play in 3d as do others. When your seeing one thing and something else is what really happened. When you see graphics and animations glitch or just happen because the right animation isn't in there anyways. Its no where like what real soccer is like. And its outdated and it looks like its from 1990. If Fifa or Pes ever really did a Manager mode close to the depth of this game this game would be finished. I watch every game on faster speed even my friendly's. And after a while you notice other things to that you would not notice if you watch 2D and switch to 3D for highlights. Ive got almost 4000 hours in it and over ten straight seasons of watching every match. When you do that you realize the game is very unrealistic, you realize the engine is way outdated and and when you see it not being being fixed year after year and you see other games heading in the Manager mode way you realize that this game doesn't have a lot of time left and that's truly something I don't want to see happen.

I have played FM in 3D since it was introduced. Yes, some of the animations are a bit wonky, but the match engine itself is still very solid. No other sports match engine can match it for realism (don't say FIFA is realistic, because it's not - it's basically an arcade game, and a FIFA match lasting 90 real minutes would probably finish 30-27).

And by the way, I was born in 1990. D'you know just how sophisticated a football video game from 1990 looked?

Now look at FM19's graphics and tell me truthfully that they aren't a marked improvement. And in future, please don't make up hyperbole about how FM's graphics look like they were designed nearly 30 years ago.

[YUK0N]

i was born in 1965 and playing PONG at 5 this isn't a pissing contest I was exaggerating on purpose. So instead of arguing  with you Im done with the post Ive seen twice as much gaming in my time to know when something is in trouble. Especially when people wait for the price comedown to even buy the game now and then wish they hadn't because of the let down. This game is in trouble. The players know it at least some, I know it and the SI knows it and if they don't then its really in trouble cause if you get a few more just patched versions it's  gonna be done. Its My Prediction that I truly would hate to see. Im done responding to this and I really hope SI take note, Better yet I'm praying they already have long ago and that's what the wait is for.

[RBKalle]

4 ore fa, CFuller ha scritto:

Every ME has its quirks, and FM19's is no different. In my view, it's not even remotely as bad as many users make out. I certainly wouldn't expect SI to just rip it up and start again just because there are a few too many long shots, or because a small percentage of users can't get strikers to score 20+ goals.

"A few too many long shots" is the understatement of the decade... It's like saying Man City got a "modest increase in funding" since the Sheik took over...

And about strikers not scoring 20+ goals, well, look no further than AI Messi and (pre-Juventus) Cristiano Ronaldo scoring half the goals of their real-life counterparts. No human manager there to be told "it's your tactics..." either.

Also, I have no issues with strikers having scoring droughts especially if the team underperforms or plays a defensive style. On the other hand, when your superteam (or your downloaded supertactic...) routinely bags you 4+ goals per match, it becomes perplexing to realize strikers STILL struggle to score while wingers and CMs easily reach double-digits.
Even more when half of the winger's goals come from situations where you'd expect a striker to be there to convert the chance. I've seen hundreds of "wing-to-wing" goals where one or two strikers (in all roles/duties) simply stand inside the box while the opposite wide player moves toward the ball. It was there in FM16 (or 17?). It's still there in 19...

What should be changed/fixed?

Easy: a decent and straighforward input-output ratio.  A ME where a Narrow 4-1-2-1-2 Diamond with "underlap" instruction doesn't end up with one of my strikers playing like an AML with the FB overlapping on an even wider position!
A ME where "shoot less often" doesn't still yield double-digits long shots in situations where a backpass or a sideways pass could keep the attack going. A ME where wide players don't wait for the out-of-position FB to come back and block a cross that should have been made 5 seconds earlier.
A ME where professional top fullbacks or central defenders don't get caught napping by a long, loopy balls behind the defensive line as if they were Sanmarinese amateurs...

And so on...

In short: I'd like a ME that plays my tactics (no matter how wrong or silly), not a ME that gets played by my tactics (and one where only specific tactics work fine and gets replicated to an acceptable degree of realism and fidelity, while others are either not working at all or are atrocious approximations).

Again, it's stuff you can't simply chalk up as "it's your tactic" because it's all there to watch in AI v AI matches.

1 ora fa, YUK0N ha scritto:

And its outdated and it looks like its from 1990. If Fifa or Pes ever really did a Manager mode close to the depth of this game this game would be finished.

And if FM did a "Player Manager mode" comparable to FIFA or PES, both EA Sports and Konami would shut down their football division tomorrow...

It's impossible for either situation to happen with the current technology. FM is a monumental endeavour and, as critical as I've been, nobody has ever come remotely close to presenting something worth mentioning in the same sentence, let alone as being regarded as actual competition.

Championship Manager tried and despite having a decade of experience and shared know-how, it quickly fizzled out.
The old On the Ball series (a fun and quirky franchise in the 90s) got the EA Sports blessing and backing, but FIFA Club Manager was just a shiny coat of sparky paint over the old and outdated OTB formula, with a repetitive FIFA-derived, stripped down ME.

And those are more or less the only competitors deserving a mention. Anything else stopped being even a viable, lightweight, alternative even before CM4 introduced the proper 2d engine.

Edited August 14, 2019 by RBKalle

[GOODNAME]

I dont want anything elese just better ME,new animations and better AI transefres and in match game better chancges to the AI teams

[CFuller]

9 minutes ago, RBKalle said:

"A few too many long shots" is the understatement of the decade... It's like saying Man City got a "modest increase in funding" since the Sheik took over...

A typical example of somebody taking a minor problem with the game and then blowing it completely out of proportion.

From my experience, about 20% of the goals I've seen on FM19 (across 12 seasons in three different saves) have come from outside the penalty area (if that's how you'd define a long shot). I don't know how that compares to real-life but I don't think it's too far off.

[RBKalle]

2 minuti fa, CFuller ha scritto:

From my experience, about 20% of the goals I've seen on FM19 (across 12 seasons in three different saves) have come from outside the penalty area (if that's how you'd define a long shot). I don't know how that compares to real-life but I don't think it's too far off.

I was more referring to those that DON'T end up on target...

"Too many long shots" and "too many goals from long shots" are two different, albeit related, issues...

[Andros]

I would personally love future versions to have a way of explaining to me how I lost (or won!).  A way of me understanding my tactical choices better and how the opposition's choices affected my tactics and the result.  This alone would radically change the game for me and make it more enjoyable.  I am not good enough at the game to notice ME flaws as I just assume everything is my fault!

[Footix]

The graphics (3D) really need some work. Granted it's not completely 1990 style, but if you look up older games such as PES 5 and Fifa 2004 the graphics on those still blow FM 19 out of the water. 

I play 2D simply because I think the 3D looks rubbish.

[YouReds]

Would the delay in the announcement have anything to do with Stadia?  

[Guest]

14 hours ago, CFuller said:

"The ME needs fixing."

"What specifically needs fixing?"

"The ME needs fixing and upgrading."

 

Just an example. 2 v 1 in attack phase. 2 strikers vs 1 defender. I have never see the striker to pass the ball to the other striker which will score easily in front of GK.

 

[RBKalle]

5 ore fa, Footix ha scritto:

The graphics (3D) really need some work. Granted it's not completely 1990 style, but if you look up older games such as PES 5 and Fifa 2004 the graphics on those still blow FM 19 out of the water. 

I play 2D simply because I think the 3D looks rubbish.

But again, in FIFA/PES the 3D match was the CORE of the game, so graphics had to be as good as possible, and so was the gameplay, in order to sell the game.

FM is mostly about managing a football club also between matches. The 3D engine is a visual rendition of our tactical choices, so having 30 different animations for a volley or for a save isn't really as important as devising an engine able to lead to those moves making sense in context.
I don't really care about how fluid and pleasing the animation of my striker trapping the ball for a cross from the right-wing, if I'm playing a narrow wingless formation where game is expected to go through the middle... I really care about the players doing what I've instructed them to do and said instructions to be followed closely and to yield what their names suggest.

 

Bascially this whole "the 3D ME looks awful, why can't it look like FIFA" complaints are out of place. It's like complaining about a top-of-the-line keyboard not sounding like a grand piano or like a Hammond organ. If you really NEED that sound, use the real thing. A keyboard though is much more versatile and "sounding like _____" is one of its many functions.

[Guest]

For GUI: I would love to see graphics like ANNO 1800, but it's not the selling point of this game. I am not hold my breath to see improvements at FM20 for this case; but dear SI if this not your selling point stop or remove some angles (like close-up or so much zoom in 3D). 

[Neil Brock]

On 14/08/2019 at 11:21, RBKalle said:

I've heard rumours about even more in-depth training modules... Please god, make it be false...

Seriously, I'm not holding my breath... We'll get some new features, interesting on paper but sadly half-baked and/or poorly implemented.

We all know what the priority should be... better AI for transfers and squad building. No more top-EPL players available on Free Transfer in the first/second summer transfer window, with no takers at all.
No more "let's splash 50M on a deeply flawed newgen with high PA or Rep while ignoring the league's topscorer because he plays for Bournemouth and has 140PA".

How long can the game rely on an ancient concept like the CA+PA+Reputation trifecta?

Just to clarify, every single year I've worked at SI (this year is my 13th) there's been tweaks and improvements to AI transfers/squad building. 

Also just to clarify, the game doesn't use CA+PA+Reputation. It actually uses Estimated CA+PPA+Rep+Form+Performance. Also tied into the squad needs of course. 

Everyone has different priorities. In this thread alone we've had some saying transfers, some saying the match engine. We work on all of it because we want the whole game to be better with each iteration. 

[RBKalle]

16 minuti fa, Neil Brock ha scritto:

Just to clarify, every single year I've worked at SI (this year is my 13th) there's been tweaks and improvements to AI transfers/squad building. 

I know and I've never said otherwise... Transfers have become more realistic, but some areas are still way too exploitable by human players, without even needing to actively "cheat" the AI:

16 minuti fa, Neil Brock ha scritto:

Also just to clarify, the game doesn't use CA+PA+Reputation. It actually uses Estimated CA+PPA+Rep+Form+Performance. Also tied into the squad needs of course. 

Of course I can't say I know more than you about how the game works under the hood, but I maintain Reputation and whichever "version" of CA/PA play too big of a factor compared to Form+Performance.

Otherwise we wouldn't still have the typical "why aren't Top Clubs offering more than 5M for my 40-goals-per-season striker while I can sell all sort of unproven wonderkids for 10M?" scenario many who manage in smaller nations have been lamenting for years.
Again, it's not AS prevalent as it used to be, but ECA+PPA+Rep still play a huge role especially as far as young players are concerned.

I'll give you that at a higher level, say EPL or any other Big Five league, it's probably much easier and more common to get great money for a "mediocre" player who has been performing above his ability, but that's, again tied to Reputation. Accurate, yes. But it doesn't apply to players of similar quality but smashing it in a second-tier nation.

 

16 minuti fa, Neil Brock ha scritto:

Everyone has different priorities. In this thread alone we've had some saying transfers, some saying the match engine. We work on all of it because we want the whole game to be better with each iteration. 

And I respect that, otherwise I'd have stopped purchasing the game year after year.

Still, the key factors that dictate AI activities do feel a bit "outdated" to me. I understand it's a tall order to come up with a working alternative (and with one that won't turn the entire gameworld into a mess), I understand the current system is time-tested and we've reached a reasonable balance. But there will be a point when it won't cut it anymore and no amount of tweaks will salvage it.

[Kingstontom88]

Be intrigued to see what's new this year.

Eventually, you feel, FM will hit a wall when it comes to new features. The game of football itself has only developed so much in recent years; at least in such a way that FM can portray/allow users to interact with from a manager's perspective.

A big challenge ahead that's for sure - ME/graphical updates will be key to its longevity.

[Footix]

Re: graphics, while the graphical representation is always less important than the engine behind it, I've seen enough threads on here where people raise things they believe are bugs with the ME only to realise its likely the graphics not being able to render a particular situation properly. 

Never settle. When so many people people use the 3D engine I think it makes sense to focus on that too. For immersion. For a better game experience overall. 

[Crispypaul]

AI squad building and some ludicrous transfer fee demands I've seen could be worked on.

I kept trying to sign a good young English CM from Man City whom wasn't playing at all and with 6 months of his contract left and a valuation of £15m they were demanding £70m+.  I then lost him as Sporting Lisbon signed him up on a bosman....

Other than that a couple more official leagues would be nice although I appreciate that's research dependent.  I am still surprised Cyprus (the 15th best league in Europe) isn't included in the base game considering nearly every other league in the top 30 or so is.  Africa could do with leagues other than South Africa too (particularly one of the North African leagues) and there is still nothing official at all in Western Asia.  Crazy we can manage in Singapore and Hong Kong but not Saudi Arabia or Iran.

[Crispypaul]

21 hours ago, Deisler26 said:

FIFA graphics and the ability to spend some of the wages you've accumulated

Why can't I build burger bars, eh?????

SORTITOUTSI!!!

[Alerion]

So much negativity in this thread, holy moly.

Since I started playing FM, which was FM15 I guess, I got around 1000 hours each year out of the game, for what, 50 Euro or so ? Which is AMAZING value for money. And that alone lets me shrug off all the smaller bugs or details that do not fit because come FM20 beta, and I look back at the FM19 year, I know It was worth.

So instead of complaining about all the things maybe take a look at the positive things about FM, its a one-time purchase without any shady DLC´s, microtransactions (bar the few things, e.G ingame editor) or "momentum" crap. 

[RBKalle]

3 ore fa, Alerion ha scritto:

So much negativity in this thread, holy moly.

Since I started playing FM, which was FM15 I guess, I got around 1000 hours each year out of the game, for what, 50 Euro or so ? Which is AMAZING value for money. And that alone lets me shrug off all the smaller bugs or details that do not fit because come FM20 beta, and I look back at the FM19 year, I know It was worth.

So instead of complaining about all the things maybe take a look at the positive things about FM, its a one-time purchase without any shady DLC´s, microtransactions (bar the few things, e.G ingame editor) or "momentum" crap. 

Nobody's denying FM is the best value-for-money game on the market...

Nobody's ignoring the positives... They're the reasone we're all here and, also, the reasons some of us are very demanding and have maybe unreasonable expectations about the game.

However it's inevitable that long-time players tend to have a different opinion on what, at first glance, are forgivable bugs, quirks or minor annoyances. Some of us here have probably ammassed enough hours to have reached an entire YEAR of their life in front of a screen playing CM/FM... And when you've seen stuff happening year in and year out, with relatively little improvement, you start noticing it immediately in the new beta and it gets deflating.

Make no mistake, most of us will even preorder, play the beta and then report the same(ish) bugs some have reported back in FM2012. Hoping it'll be the last time we have to write about broken crossing, AI free transfers or unproven FInnish youngsters breaking the league's highest transfer fee several times a season...
And even if they won't, we'll still clock in three or four-digits hours on it, ready to start it over again for FM21

Edited August 15, 2019 by RBKalle

[armbi]

I don't expect FIFA graphic, but when I hear every year about magic "1000+ animations" and then barley can see it in ME it is pretty disappointing. I asked Miles on twitter about dribbling animations before FM 17 releasing, he said there would be "some". We have FM19 on board never seen any. Ok ME is quite good, but I think not enough time is devoted to really improve it, we are given only casual info about 1000+ NEW animations.

Summarizing - I don't want to complain but I have a feeling that there are part of the game not that important yet announced as new features (just to say - look every year we give you some new staff) and the heart of the game is actually neglected.