Dagenham_Dave Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 51 minutes ago, Prej said: I feel we're entering fanboy territory now. This is the point when you know someone has nothing left to offer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyDepuydt1 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) To me it doesn't matter if you believe competition for FM would make any difference or not, or if you think developers don't do their best. Personally I cannot believe that any of the devs is deliberately doing easy because "FM has no competition", I work for over 10 years in IT as programmer and do it with a lot of passion, those guys at FM won't be any different, and they can even work on two of their passions: Coding and football. Offcourse everyone's entitled to believe otherwise, and there's nothing wrong in expressing that opinion as well, so pointless to judge what people can think or say and wether it's insulting or not, not everyone should share the same opinion or decide what directly or indirectly is an insult. That said, I do believe that competition would make difference for FM, but not in the team working harder or better, but different accents or different choices would be made (some for the better, more investments maybe, a larger team, ... but it can be for the worse as well, more marketing budget, more eye candy, less content, so people choose your game over the competitions game) My main issue with FMT is, that it now seems it's an "easy way" for SI to sell extra copies (yes extra, I believe not everyone who buys FMT would by full fat if FMT didn't exist). I don't say that's what they want it to be, but it's what they make the community/FMT players believe now. It's not that I believe as an FMT player you should be considered as important as a full fat FM player, because Full fat is still the core business for SI and is still their flagship... all respect to that. But the difference in how FMT vs FM is being treated from SI towards the communtiy, in communication, feedback, transparency is very large. More concrete I talk about active feedback from SI members in topics in the touch forum, whenever someone from SI is here people jump in because it's a very very rare thing. Or they answer the easy topics where they should just point people towards the technical forums, but leave the other questions unanswered, which causes frustrations because you know "they've seen it". But also the feeling that they don't try to improve FMT a lot or limit the resources to work on them, there were apparantly no resources for more than 1 skin now... a lot of QoL improvements made in full fat have "touch" written all over it but are not implemented in touch... To me it is: FMT is the game for me, it fits my life so much more than FM, I love it, but everything said above makes me doubt every year if I shouldn't switch to full fat.... Edited December 11, 2019 by DavyDepuydt1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samelders Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Please give me the fagging update before friday 6pm already!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPaul Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 51 minutes ago, Samelders said: Please give me the fagging update before friday 6pm already!! I'd settle for Christmas eve at this point. I tried to start a save this afternoon, but gave up after being awarded 7 penalties during three pre season games. People are still asking the FM account on twitter for a rough estimate of when the update will be available, and they're being ignored Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
collindinho Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) My Touch just updated to 20.2.1 upon loading the game up now... EDIT: Viewing national squads (U19's etc.) has been fixed, as has viewing the B team/reserves. Edited December 11, 2019 by collindinho More info Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seqw Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) YES THERE IS THE PATCH SI HAVE DONE IT AGAIN NEVER LOST MY HOPE. For pc that is. Sorry for yelling, love you all, see you when the next episode of where's my patch airs. Edited December 11, 2019 by Seqw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPaul Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 I just checked Google play, and there's no update. I'm on a bus, and trying not to cry, but I'm losing the battle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPaul Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, collindinho said: My Touch just updated to 20.2.1 upon loading the game up now... EDIT: Viewing national squads (U19's etc.) has been fixed, as has viewing the B team/reserves. That update has been available for weeks, 21st November I think. Never mind, my mistake Edited December 11, 2019 by SaintPaul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Wandle Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Just loaded up the demo. The players' Nationalities/Place of Birth box has been restored. The Player Traits are viewable in the players' Development tab for one's own players, and in the players' Information tab for players from other teams. So these two particular issues appear to have been addressed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel777 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 I just updated my fmt on play store to 20.2.1. This update is dated 9th December so it is the latest one. Thanks SI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Alex Pitt Posted December 11, 2019 SI Staff Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Popular Post Alex Pitt Posted December 11, 2019 SI Staff Popular Post Share Posted December 11, 2019 Thanks for your patience in waiting for this update to arrive. As Miles stated in his tweets, getting updates out for FM Touch tends to be trickier than FM for a number of reasons. It is across more platforms so there is a higher chance of platform-specific issues, certain platforms have to go through a submission process which can take time and we need to keep all platforms in sync in order for Cross-Sync to work. I can promise you that the team here has been working extremely hard to get this update out as soon as possible and it is very much not a case of FM Touch being neglected or less important. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyzer Soze Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) @Alex Pitt Are all this changes save game compatible? In particulary for the Android version? Nervermind, already saw that some changes need a new save. Edited December 11, 2019 by Keyzer Soze Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samelders86 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 15 minutes ago, Alex Pitt said: Thanks for your patience in waiting for this update to arrive. As Miles stated in his tweets, getting updates out for FM Touch tends to be trickier than FM for a number of reasons. It is across more platforms so there is a higher chance of platform-specific issues, certain platforms have to go through a submission process which can take time and we need to keep all platforms in sync in order for Cross-Sync to work. I can promise you that the team here has been working extremely hard to get this update out as soon as possible and it is very much not a case of FM Touch being neglected or less important. It was a very tense time 😉 but a lot of good fixes, even more than expected. Thank you for your efforts and the explanation 🙏🏼 Lets hope everything works now! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Alex Pitt Posted December 11, 2019 SI Staff Share Posted December 11, 2019 22 minutes ago, Keyzer Soze said: Nervermind, already saw that some changes need a new save. There shouldn't be too many which need a new save, but the newgen managers issue is one which will do. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagenham_Dave Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 This update has hit just before I'm due to play a crucial European qualifier. If this has ruined my tactic.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss03 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Alex Pitt said: There shouldn't be too many which need a new save, but the newgen managers issue is one which will do. Thanks for all the hard work that's gone into the update 👍 In terms of the newgen managers, if I carry on my save will they eventually be phased out or are they established in the game now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Alex Pitt Posted December 11, 2019 SI Staff Share Posted December 11, 2019 They were generated at the start of new games, so they'll only be "phased out" when they start to retire which will obviously be quite a long time into a save. What was happening was we were still extracting staff from the main FM database who had roles we don't include in FMT (e.g. Data Analyst, Head of Player Development). They were then getting re-classified to the most suitable available role in FMT which was usually Manager, and since many of them had high ability in the database they were coming out with really good attributes. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagenham_Dave Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, Alex Pitt said: They were generated at the start of new games, so they'll only be "phased out" when they start to retire which will obviously be quite a long time into a save. What was happening was we were still extracting staff from the main FM database who had roles we don't include in FMT (e.g. Data Analyst, Head of Player Development). They were then getting re-classified to the most suitable available role in FMT which was usually Manager, and since many of them had high ability in the database they were coming out with really good attributes. As with most quirks or non-gamebreaking bugs in the game, I just build these things into the narrative of my save, so it's all good. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicates Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 25 minutes ago, Alex Pitt said: They were generated at the start of new games, so they'll only be "phased out" when they start to retire which will obviously be quite a long time into a save. What was happening was we were still extracting staff from the main FM database who had roles we don't include in FMT (e.g. Data Analyst, Head of Player Development). They were then getting re-classified to the most suitable available role in FMT which was usually Manager, and since many of them had high ability in the database they were coming out with really good attributes. Thanks for the update! I just ran a test save and there were no regen managers. Time to play FM Touch! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza8 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Is Mourinho at spurs?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPaul Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 38 minutes ago, gazza8 said: Is Mourinho at spurs?? No, still Pochettino Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lashley Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Dagenham_Dave said: This update has hit just before I'm due to play a crucial European qualifier. If this has ruined my tactic.... Did you win? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagenham_Dave Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 51 minutes ago, Lashley said: Did you win? Just. Updated match engine looks fantastic though, great effort. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza8 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 hours ago, SaintPaul said: No, still Pochettino Game still out of date already then 🙈 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagenham_Dave Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, gazza8 said: Game still out of date already then 🙈 The game starts in June/July when Pochettino was still there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichelleC Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Thanks for the patch...will give a go when back to home today. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samelders86 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 10 hours ago, Alex Pitt said: They were generated at the start of new games, so they'll only be "phased out" when they start to retire which will obviously be quite a long time into a save. What was happening was we were still extracting staff from the main FM database who had roles we don't include in FMT (e.g. Data Analyst, Head of Player Development). They were then getting re-classified to the most suitable available role in FMT which was usually Manager, and since many of them had high ability in the database they were coming out with really good attributes. Interesting to hear! I was really surprised this bug made it to the FMT game. Was the game braker for me in my longterm save 😔 Now up for a new one. Thank you SI🙏🏼 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza8 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) 23 hours ago, Dagenham_Dave said: The game starts in June/July when Pochettino was still there. Ah so it will change in November? And we wont be getting the January transfer update from SI this year then?? Since all games start in June/July? 🙈🙈 Edited December 12, 2019 by gazza8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagenham_Dave Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, gazza8 said: Ah so it will change in November? No, because by November (in game), it will be your gameworld, not real life. I don't know why people get so worked up about this, yet are absolutely fine with themselves being manager of a top club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza8 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Dagenham_Dave said: No, because by November (in game), it will be your gameworld, not real life. I don't know why people get so worked up about this, yet are absolutely fine with themselves being manager of a top club So there will be no January transfer update released by si? Since the game starts in june/july? People just want to play an uo to date game and be treated the same as players of the full version Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samelders Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 9 hours ago, gazza8 said: So there will be no January transfer update released by si? Since the game starts in june/july? People just want to play an uo to date game and be treated the same as players of the full version That's why we need the editor! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craiigman Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 10 hours ago, gazza8 said: So there will be no January transfer update released by si? Since the game starts in june/july? People just want to play an uo to date game and be treated the same as players of the full version There will be, usually out in March time. Jose will start as manager at start of new games then. SI only do 1 database update a year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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