[FM20] Language Overhaul 2.0 - Increase the Immersion (BIG UPDATE 1/15/20)

[majesticeternity]

Added 80 New languages, 62 NEW Dialects. Edited 100 Nations and 1,500 Regions. Experience the world's cultures.

 

**This file changes the way languages work. Please read below, so you understand what you are getting.**

 

Intro:

Languages in FM are very simple, and generally apply to an entire nation. This is very unrealistic, when language in real life is endlessly complex, and not all people of one nation speak the same language. The original database has less than 120 languages, while in real life there are over 6,000, not to mention each language's regional dialects.

It's also wildly inaccurate: FM has USA listed as 100% English and 100% Spanish, while in reality Spanish speakers(native or learned) totals only about 25%.  FM also has Germany only capable of speaking German. Yet, studies show 63% can speak English, 18% French, 9% Dutch, etc.

Players also pick up languages far too easily. Any national language is learned in one or two seasons to Fluent level. For example: A 20yr old from Georgia spends 2 years in Belgium and becomes FLUENT in 3 different languages at the same time. 

This file fixes those issues, and adds much more complexity to languages. It creates better immersion, more unique players, increased squad building and scouting strategy, and endless storytelling possibilities. 

The regions and cities your players come from and play in are now important.

 

New Feature: Dialects

The 46 new dialects were created to do multiple things:

1. Add a sense of culture. The idea that a player also has to fit in with the region's specific culture, their teammates' and clubs' way of life.  That a strong accent, a lack of full language understanding, and a different way of life may still divide a player from another, until they learn that area's culture, and adjust to it.

2. Add the idea that language/dialects/sounds are learned over time, with experience and exposure. A teenager is not a master of all language.  A 16yr old American may have a tough time understanding someone from the UK, but as he spends time with them, he's able to tune his ears, and easily understand them.

3. Languages and dialects are based on mutual intelligibility (if foreigners can understand it). So, someone speaking Czech can mostly understand a Slovakian, but someone speaking a Chinese dialect can hardly understand another Chinese dialect.

4. Adds the idea that players and staff have to adjust to the new club, new surroundings, the clubs' DNA and culture. 

There are endless dialects, but the ones chosen for FM were based on: how generally difficult they are for foreigners to understand, how different the culture is, if they have a distinct accent, and also if they have different words, meanings, grammar, or slang that would be unknown to others.

The New World of FM Languages:

Newgens:
Players from the SAME nation may not understand each other at first. You now have to pay attention to where they are from.  
                     (Example: In Italy, your players may speak Italian AND a dialect, or ONLY a dialect.)
Youth can be culture-shocked
                     (Example: A 16yr old from Sicily, an island in Southern Italy, may have a tough time leaving his home and adjusting to the busy city of Rome. Or a youth from the rural Tibetan area of western China would have to learn an entirely new culture and language if he moved to Beijing, the 3rd most populated city of the world.)
Regions are now very important. They have certain languages set according to their real life versions.
                     (Example: Liege region of Belgium speak mostly French, while East Cantons speak mostly German, and Vlaams-Brabant speak mostly Dutch and some French)
Multilingual people are also region-based
                    (Example: Originally USA was 100% English, 100% Spanish. Now, those who also speak Spanish are located primarily in the states that border Mexico.)
Regions bordering other nations have language overlap 
                    (Example: The Brazilian border areas have Spanish speakers. The Czech areas bordering Slovakia have Slovakian speakers, whereas those bordering Poland have Polish speakers)
Minor languages are minor, instead of encompassing the whole nation)
                    (Example: Peru was Spanish 100%, Aymara 50%, and Quechua 50%. Yet, Wiki says native speakers are Spanish 84.1%, Quechua 13%, and Aymara 1.7%. Also Quechua and Aymara are limited to their 15 real life regions, not all 25.)
Some people may not know the official national language
                    (Example: Some Spanish speakers living in the USA may not speak English)
Youth will likely know their regional dialects, and in big cities will also know the standard language
                   (Example: In the Shaanxi-sheng region of China, a 16yr old from the big city of Xi'an will know Mandarin Chinese, and may know the region's dialect. But  a youth from much smaller Huangling will probably only know the dialect.)
Large cities tend to have many more people who are bilingual/multilingual 
                   (Example: Brussels region of Belgium have those who speak French, Dutch, English, some German.)
Small cities and rural areas tend to stick more with their regional languages or dialects 
                   (Example: People in the Hainan province of China primarily speak Min Chinese, not the general Mandarin Chinese of the nation)         
Big cities teaching English from elementary school have many English speakers
                  (Example: Dakar, Senegal has many English speakers, while those more inland and rural only know their African language)
The amount of people in a nation who know English is more accurate
                  (Example: Originally Brazil was 50% English speaking, yet they are #59(Low) on the EPI, and Wiki says "Only 3 percent of Brazil’s population speaks English fluently". So while a decent percentage may speak English, it is at a basic level.
    

Foreigners:
Age and experience makes it easier for a player to fit in a new squad
                (Example: An Italian player who has played in several clubs all over Italy would have no problem moving to Rome, as he has learned the slang/accents/culture of many Italian regions.)
Club careers shape more unique players, as they learn the language of their club's city, not nation
                (Example: 2 players move to Germany, then Belgium, then China. One learns High German, French, and Wu Chinese.  The other learns Central German, Dutch, and Hakka Chinese.)
Players that know a dialect will find it easier to pick up another dialect of the same language
                (Example: A player who knows Spanish and Italian, who spends 1 season in Liverpool, England, will only have a basic knowledge of Southern British English. But a player who is fluent in English, who spends 1 season in Liverpool, England, will have fluent knowledge of Southern British English.
Foreigners will generally learn the main, more national or global language in big cities.
                (Example: If playing in the big city of Xi'an, they will learn Mandarin Chinese, and not the dialect. )
Foreigners will be more attracted to the bigger cities of nations with many English speakers, where they can much more easily adapt, than choosing a small town where the local or national language is spoken
            (Example: In the Netherlands, a player moving to the large Amsterdam city can get by with English, and will likely learn English if they don't know it already. But in much smaller, rural cities they will need to speak/learn Dutch.)
If the nation has many English speakers, but the area mostly speaks their national language, the player won't pick English up enough
English speakers from the UK will have an easier time understanding other UK dialects than Americans will

Note on Dialects:
Every player/staff has a default language and additional known languages added in the database, and unfortunately these do not change unless edited specifically. So, you may join an English club, and find that your players and staff do not know the "language", which is now a local English dialect. Don't worry, no language courses are needed. They already know English, so by the end of the season, they should all know the dialect.

Manager Job Appointments:
This also changes the jobs you can receive, as clubs may prefer someone who speaks the language. Even if you speak English and have the correct qualifications, you may not be welcomed with open arms to Manchester City or Newcastle United. Remember, you have to know their culture too!

Example of the New Storytelling/Managing/Scouting/Squad Building Opportunities:

Let's say you're managing Stuttgart in Germany, so German speakers are preferred. You send your scouts the top countries, one of them being Spain, looking for a new first-team defender. A scout recommends a Spaniard who is just what you're looking for. You think, of course he doesn't speak German. So unfortunately, you either have to pass, or pay for an intensive language course and wait for him to adapt. Actually....looking at the Scout Report, you realize he speaks some German! How is this possible? Well, he's from the region along the Mediterranean coast that has many tourists, especially from Germany, and over time has picked up some German. 

Or maybe you're managing LOSC Lille in France, and some of your players are from a region near the Spanish border. One speaks some Catalan, and would be perfect to help you welcome that Spanish defender Stuttgart wants! Do you make a bid? Or do you stick to French speakers, and sign the USA wonderkid from Louisiana?

 

Conclusion:

This file opens up a world of possibilities! Endless storytelling, yes, but it also means that other features in FM are more important.

Scouting Reports matter more. Sending scouts to nations involves more strategy. Can you find the places outside your club's nation, that have players who speak the same language? Scouting nations like Belgium who can speak multiple languages may be a priority. Conversely, a club in the French region of Belgium may have to scout France and search for more French speakers. A player's Adaptability matters more, both in other nations and in the same nation.  Managing a club in a smaller town may mean a club in a big city will always have an easier time convincing a player to join than you do.  A big club may be able to build a squad of players all over the world, while a smaller town club may have to stick with players from the same region, until a proper squad is built. Squad Building has a whole new level of depth added to it. The languages your starting squad speaks may shape the rest of your squad building decisions, or you may heavily rely on shelling out money on language courses, or even put a priority on players with high Adaptability. You may need to more gradually bring a new player into the first team. A Club Vision to sign players from a certain nationality may determine the rest of the players you buy, as they need to speak the same language. A Club Vision to sign youth players may mean you must choose the clubs to loan them to more wisely, as you want them to learn the language of the team. 

There are so many new aspects to this, that hopefully you enjoy the new challenges, and the fact that languages matter a bit more than they used to!

 

2.0 Update:

Added 60 More Languages and 16 More Dialects

Applied Realistic Languages to 46 More Nations:
Albania, Algeria, American Samoa, Angola, Armenia, Austria, 
Azerbaijan, Benin, Bosnia, Botswana, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, 
Congo, Costa Rica, Cyprus, Egypt, Estonia, Fiji, Finland, 
Gambia, Georgia, Ghana, Guinea-Bissau, Hungary, Iran, Kiribati, 
Kosovo, Latvia, Libya, Lithuania, Mali, Morocco, New Zealand, 
Paraguay, Philippines, Russia, Samoa, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, 
South Korea, Tahiti, Thailand, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Zambia

Enhanced Nations:
Italy - separated Trentino and Alto Adige regions, added South Tyrolean German 
Netherlands - added Frisian

Fixes for Nations:
Changed 100 city languages from English to their main languages, and increased number of newgens that speak English for those regions
Fixed Iceland's failed changes
Fixed England's dialect assignments:
        London & South-East = Southern British English
        North-West & North-East & Yorkshire = Northern British English
        South-West = West Country English
        East of England = East Anglian British English
        East & West Midlands = Midlands British English

*Note: I could not test all the minor nations, as they are not default playable. But I tried as best I could to get a realistic language composition for the nation*

Thanks for all the feedback, guys!

 

DOWNLOAD: DB - Language Overhaul 2.0 - majesticeternity.fmf

 

 

 

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Edited January 15, 2020 by majesticeternity

[Daveincid]

Well done!

[CrowBar]

This must have taken you an insane amount of work, I love it.

[Reiver]

This sounds lovely, and a lot more immersive than what I did - I'm doing a game in South Tyrol and took the time to change all the cities to have the correct languages set.

[sporadicsmiles]

I once had a girlfriend for several years from the black country. Her step dad had such a strong regional accent that I literally could not understand anything he said to me. I had to have him translated. Even after 3 years, I could not follow his topic of conversation! So this seems like an interesting idea!

Also kudos for this. It sounds like you put in a lot of effort, and it is a very different sort of mod. Very nice.

[Wolf_pd]

12 hours ago, majesticeternity said:

Foreigners:
Foreigners will generally learn the main, more national or global language in big cities.
                (Example: If playing in the big city of Xi'an, they will learn Mandarin Chinese, and not the dialect. In big cities of Germany, they will learn English instead of learning German. )
Foreigners will be more attracted to the bigger cities of nations with many English speakers, where they can much more easily adapt, than choosing a small town where the local or national language is spoken
            (Example: In Belgium, a player moving to the large Amsterdam city can get by with English, and will likely learn English if they don't know it already. But in much smaller, rural cities they will need to speak/learn Dutch.)

You mixed up your Belgium and Netherlands  Yeah, I am Dutch  Also, on the part of big cities in Germany, I would still suggest German instead of English, based on my personal experiences with the German colleagues in our company. Our company is half German and half Dutch. The German colleagues maintain their compatriots aren't half as good as English as is claimed, but this is basically discussing details.

I like the level of detail you put into this. Must have been quite the job, are you a language major or something? I will take a look at it and see if I can give some feedback/input.

[booble]

[frigo]

Amaizing and detailed job!  I am really surprised by your attention to detail and thoroughness. If you apply this working method to create lower leagues it would be really fantastic.  I imagine lower divisions with their own rules included, such as field size, division cups, real referee databases ...

I think I'm dreaming hahaha!  Here you have a follower!  

Cheers!

Edited December 5, 2019 by frigo
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[majesticeternity]

20 hours ago, Daveincid said:

Well done!

 

14 hours ago, CrowBar said:

This must have taken you an insane amount of work, I love it.

 

13 hours ago, Reiver said:

This sounds lovely, and a lot more immersive than what I did - I'm doing a game in South Tyrol and took the time to change all the cities to have the correct languages set.

Thanks guys!

12 hours ago, sporadicsmiles said:

I once had a girlfriend for several years from the black country. Her step dad had such a strong regional accent that I literally could not understand anything he said to me. I had to have him translated. Even after 3 years, I could not follow his topic of conversation! So this seems like an interesting idea!

Also kudos for this. It sounds like you put in a lot of effort, and it is a very different sort of mod. Very nice.

Yes, exactly the type of scenario I was trying to recreate! 

9 hours ago, Wolf_pd said:

You mixed up your Belgium and Netherlands  Yeah, I am Dutch  Also, on the part of big cities in Germany, I would still suggest German instead of English, based on my personal experiences with the German colleagues in our company. Our company is half German and half Dutch. The German colleagues maintain their compatriots aren't half as good as English as is claimed, but this is basically discussing details.

I like the level of detail you put into this. Must have been quite the job, are you a language major or something? I will take a look at it and see if I can give some feedback/input.

Haha, that's easy to do, after going through so many countries and so much info! Thank you very much for your feedback! It will be very helpful to increase the realism by people who live in those areas! I'll change the English to German. Any other feedback would be great. No, not a language major, but I love languages, and dabble in several. I'm around a lot of people of many cultures and languages, and found FM's "reality" sorely lacking and quite boring. It was a blast to do all the hours of research!

5 hours ago, frigo said:

Amaizing and detailed job!  I am really surprised by your attention to detail and thoroughness. If you apply this working method to create lower leagues it would be really fantastic.  I imagine lower divisions with their own rules included, such as field size, division cups, real referee databases ...

I think I'm dreaming hahaha!  Here you have a follower!  

Cheers!

Not quite sure what you mean..but there are many creators that put out great lower league addons!

[frigo]

hace 7 horas, majesticeternity dijo:

Not quite sure what you mean..but there are many creators that put out great lower league addons!

I mean that it's difficult to create a real system of divisions that has all its particular rules implemented.  I think you have a lot of potential for this because of your attention to detail

[Wolf_pd]

I have been digging through the file and have some feedback on it, but before I post all my remarks, I want to check something with you first.

In your database the language in City Antwerpen is English, the language in Local Region Antwerpen is 100% Dutch, 30% French and 40% English and the languages in Nation Belgium are empty.

I assume the Nation part is to make sure the Local Region take over.

If I have a city (say Antwerpen), which is located in Local Region Antwerpen and Nation Belgium, what are the language 'rules' exactly for a Newgen born in Antwerpen?

[Wolf_pd]

If only we knew how edit ethnicity on nation basis, this language work could open so much Worldbuilding.

[majesticeternity]

1 hour ago, Wolf_pd said:

I have been digging through the file and have some feedback on it, but before I post all my remarks, I want to check something with you first.

In your database the language in City Antwerpen is English, the language in Local Region Antwerpen is 100% Dutch, 30% French and 40% English and the languages in Nation Belgium are empty.

I assume the Nation part is to make sure the Local Region take over.

If I have a city (say Antwerpen), which is located in Local Region Antwerpen and Nation Belgium, what are the language 'rules' exactly for a Newgen born in Antwerpen?

I'll message you so we can discuss this more.

To answer your question, the DB rules seems to go like this: Regen > Takes any combo of Local Region languages(based on set probability) + Nation languages of all birth countries + City. Foreigners > Takes National + City languages. Thus why the Nation languages are often empty, to separate Regens and Foreigners learning every possible language they have any association with.

[Dallan]

I've been eyeing youth-focused games in the Languedoc and Breton regions of France and was really disappointed by the extent to which regional differences like that were reflected in the DB, so this is basically my dream edit (and I can see just how much work went into it). Excellent idea, looking forward to seeing it in practice!

Edited December 6, 2019 by Dallan

[Mars_Blackmon]

I haven’t checked the file yet but one thing that always bothered me playing a USA save is the amount of American newgens knowing Spanish...Half of the country don’t even understand Spanglish in reality lol

[majesticeternity]

1 hour ago, Dallan said:

I've been eyeing youth-focused games in the Languedoc and Breton regions of France and was really disappointed by the extent to which regional differences like that were reflected in the DB, so this is basically my dream edit (and I can see just how much work went into it). Excellent idea, looking forward to seeing it in practice!

Let me know if you have any feedback or something I missed.

42 minutes ago, Mars_Blackmon said:

I haven’t checked the file yet but one thing that always bothered me playing a USA save is the amount of American newgens knowing Spanish...Half of the country don’t even understand Spanglish in reality lol

Preach!

[winter]

Example: In Italy, your players may speak Italian AND a dialect, or ONLY a dialect.

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[majesticeternity]

Not sure what you mean to accomplish by that.

It's neither helpful, accurate, or logical.

If something needs to be changed, please inform me.

The decision was made due to research, then applying it to the FM world, and nothing else. Many nations have this principle added.

Edited December 7, 2019 by Wolf_pd
Removing quoted racism text

[Wolf_pd]

@winter no need to accuse anyone of racism. I have hidden your post because of that. 

 

[BadAss88]

Great files you make! Really helps for the immersion in FM!

But when I made a new manager (Kim Källström) he was fluent in the languages I chose (English, French and German) but only good at Swedish..that seems a bit weird to me..

[majesticeternity]

1 hour ago, BadAss88 said:

Great files you make! Really helps for the immersion in FM!

But when I made a new manager (Kim Källström) he was fluent in the languages I chose (English, French and German) but only good at Swedish..that seems a bit weird to me..

What city did you make the manager from?

[BadAss88]

4 minutes ago, majesticeternity said:

What city did you make the manager from?

Sandviken

[majesticeternity]

 

17 minutes ago, BadAss88 said:

Sandviken

Ok, so that area, Sandviken and nearby, has people who speak English well, from the research I found. They also have EF International Language Campuses, and many job ads require fluent English. So I assumed that a foreigner from another place, would generally use English rather than learn Swedish, as it is more globally used. Unfortunately, a city can only have one language! It would be great if it could be both English and Swedish on some level. So, I had to chose, and chose English.

If you have more knowledge, or that seems very off, please let me know!

Edited December 8, 2019 by majesticeternity

[BadAss88]

It seems off that a Swedish person can speak fluently English but only good Swedish..

[majesticeternity]

Just now, BadAss88 said:

It seems off that a Swedish person can speak fluently English but only good Swedish..

It must be that a created manager doesn't take the Local Region languages, like newgens do. As Sandviken has 100% Swedish for newgens. Bummer.

I can change the cities to Swedish, and that should be fixed.

Thanks for the feedback!

[BadAss88]

1 minute ago, majesticeternity said:

It must be that a created manager doesn't take the Local Region languages, like newgens do. As Sandviken has 100% Swedish for newgens. Bummer.

I can change the cities to Swedish, and that should be fixed.

Thanks for the feedback!

I fixed it by making my manager fluent in Swedish, English and French

 

[majesticeternity]

3 minutes ago, BadAss88 said:

I fixed it by making my manager fluent in Swedish, English and French

 

Good thinkin!

[CrowBar]

I noticed you didn't change much in the Netherlands, if I am correct. If I can make a suggestion, you could add the Frisian language. As it is the second official language besides Dutch (only spoken in Friesland nowadays) in the Netherlands. At some point in history long long ago, there was a larger connection between other Frisian people in Germany, but now the Frisian people living in some parts of Germany do not speak the Frisian language any longer. And this language is only spoken in Friesland/Frisian people in the Netherlands.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisian_languages

The majority of people born in Friesland speak Frisian due to growing up there and it being part of official education at school. In the majority of the cases the people who only speak Dutch (and/or maybe a dialect) aren't able to understand Frisian at all. There are exceptions of course. However, I  personally was born in Groningen (in province Groningen), which is the neighbor of Friesland, and there is a very big amount of people with a dialect here more related to German dialects/language (Dutch Low Saxon group). But I don't understand Frisian that well, certainly not good enough to have a conversation with someone speaking just Frisian. Of course, Frisians do speak Dutch too, however they tend to only speak Frisian in Frisian circles.  In every way it is a different culture.

Other than that, there are many dialects in the Netherlands, However in practically all cases everyone speaking those dialects are able to speak Dutch and able to communicate with others who speak in different dialect too. The only exception might be the dialect in Southern Limburg. There it is very thick dialect even when they speak Dutch and very different from other areas, where it is somewhat difficult to understand them as a person not from that area.

Edited December 8, 2019 by CrowBar

[majesticeternity]

7 minutes ago, CrowBar said:

I noticed you didn't change much in the Netherlands, if I am correct. If I can make a suggestion, you could add the Frisian language. As it is the second official language besides Dutch (only spoken in Friesland nowadays) in the Netherlands. At some point in history long long ago, there was a larger connectiom between other Frisian people in Germany, but now the Frisian people living in some parts of Germany do not speak the Frisian language any longer. And this language is only spoken in Friesland/Frisian people in the Netherlands.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisian_languages

The majority of people born in Friesland (although it depends slightly where in Friesland, the thickness of the language is a bit different in some areas) speak Frisian due to growing up there and it being part of official education at school. In most cases the people who only speak Dutch (and maybe a dialect) aren't able to understand Frisian. There are exceptions of course. I was born in Groningen (in province Groningen), which is the neighbor of Friesland, and there is a very big amount of people with a dialect here. But I don't understand Frisian that well. Of course, Frisians do speak Dutch too, however they tend to only speak Frisian in Frisian circles.  In every way it is a different culture.

Other than that, there are many dialects in the Netherlands, however in the practically all cases everyone speaking those dialects are able to speak Dutch and able to communicate with others who speak in different dialect too. The only exception might be the dialect in Southern Limburg. There it is very thick dialect and very different from other areas, where it is somewhat difficult to understand them as a person not from that area.

Thank you very much for the info!

I did come across the Frisian language, but when only 500,000 people speak it out of 17.3 million in all Netherlands, and there is West/North/Saterland which are "mutually unintelligible", but may be influenced by Dutch or Low German, also is under threat, and other issues, I wasn't sure how to go about it correctly. I didn't want to get it wrong, so avoided it. 

So thank you for the valuable information! I will add it.

If you have any other suggestions, please let me know!

[azmundo]

Top effort on the file.

 

However noticed a few things wrong in England, the northern cites seem to have the language set as east Anglia rather than northern British  ? same with northern cities such as Manchester are set as southern British and London as Midlands 

[majesticeternity]

1 hour ago, azmundo said:

Top effort on the file.

 

However noticed a few things wrong in England, the northern cites seem to have the language set as east Anglia rather than northern British  ? same with northern cities such as Manchester are set as southern British and London as Midlands 

Ok, I'll take a look. Thanks!

[pingjockey]

On 04/12/2019 at 23:24, majesticeternity said:

Players that know a dialect will find it easier to pick up another dialect of the same language
                (Example: A player who knows Spanish and Italian, who spends 1 season in Liverpool, England, will only have a basic knowledge of Southern British English. But a player who is fluent in English, who spends 1 season in Liverpool, England, will have fluent knowledge of Southern British English.

Actually, in Liverpool and the surrounding Merseyside area they speak Scouse, which is a dialect all of its own. I suppose you could consider it Northern British English (Liverpool is in the north), but it has strong Irish and other influences to make it considerably different from the surrounding area.

[WynnZeroOne]

4 hours ago, pingjockey said:

Actually, in Liverpool and the surrounding Merseyside area they speak Scouse, which is a dialect all of its own. I suppose you could consider it Northern British English (Liverpool is in the north), but it has strong Irish and other influences to make it considerably different from the surrounding area.

Yeah, Liverpool as a result of being a major portcame about as part of a strong influence of Scottish, Irish and Welsh migrants, combined with European accents of sailors. The 'dialect proper' was originally born of the slums (before clearance) and explains why it has never propagated into Lancashire which retains a different dialect.

So it probably requires it's own local lingo, albeit there are no influences any more, it simply exists though it's nasal twang is gradually fading as youngsters pick up a more estuary accent across the uk.

 

[majesticeternity]

10 hours ago, pingjockey said:

Actually, in Liverpool and the surrounding Merseyside area they speak Scouse, which is a dialect all of its own. I suppose you could consider it Northern British English (Liverpool is in the north), but it has strong Irish and other influences to make it considerably different from the surrounding area.

 

5 hours ago, WynnZeroOne said:

Yeah, Liverpool as a result of being a major portcame about as part of a strong influence of Scottish, Irish and Welsh migrants, combined with European accents of sailors. The 'dialect proper' was originally born of the slums (before clearance) and explains why it has never propagated into Lancashire which retains a different dialect.

So it probably requires it's own local lingo, albeit there are no influences any more, it simply exists though it's nasal twang is gradually fading as youngsters pick up a more estuary accent across the uk.

 

Yea, I found quite a few dialects, also Geordie, Cockney, Yorkshire, etc, but it just became too many, so I decided to assign them by regions, so that players weren't learning 15 different dialects from one country. 

[Vault-Tec]

Hi, it seems to be an outstanding update, can't wait to try it and to see the impact in game.

I have just several and basic questions, just to be sure :

- where does the file need to be installed ?

- will it work even if i don't start a new save ?

- did you test it and did you notice any bug (i don't see how it can create any, but I'd just like to be sure).

Thank you again !

[kandersson]

This is amazing. Hire this guy SI! 

[majesticeternity]

1 hour ago, Vault-Tec said:

Hi, it seems to be an outstanding update, can't wait to try it and to see the impact in game.

I have just several and basic questions, just to be sure :

- where does the file need to be installed ?

- will it work even if i don't start a new save ?

- did you test it and did you notice any bug (i don't see how it can create any, but I'd just like to be sure).

Thank you again !

- where does the file need to be installed ? 

Place in Documents\Sports Interactive\Football Manager 2020\editor data folder. Start a new save. When selecting the database(before Advanced Setup), be sure to select the checkbox to enable this file.
 

- will it work even if i don't start a new save ?

No.

- did you test it and did you notice any bug (i don't see how it can create any, but I'd just like to be sure).

I tested several times, with different setups, and there are no crashes or bugs I could find. But if you want to be sure, setup a save how you want to play, and run it overnight while you sleep. Check it in the morning, if everything is ok. 

[joe5p]

This is amazing work, are there different Scottish dialects, for example, Doric in Aberdeen is exceptionally different to a Glaswegian? I apologise for not having checked, but if Northern British covers Scotland, there aren't very many similarities between for example a Dundonian or a Glaswegian and the Scouse or Geordie accents. The three examples given, Doric, Dundonian and Glaswegian can be very difficult for even people from Carlisle and Newcastle to pick up (particularly if any of the three listed are speaking to others from their area). Just curious around the distinction between northern english and Scottish. Thanks for all you do.

Edited December 11, 2019 by joe5p

[majesticeternity]

4 hours ago, joe5p said:

This is amazing work, are there different Scottish dialects, for example, Doric in Aberdeen is exceptionally different to a Glaswegian? I apologise for not having checked, but if Northern British covers Scotland, there aren't very many similarities between for example a Dundonian or a Glaswegian and the Scouse or Geordie accents. The three examples given, Doric, Dundonian and Glaswegian can be very difficult for even people from Carlisle and Newcastle to pick up (particularly if any of the three listed are speaking to others from their area). Just curious around the distinction between northern english and Scottish. Thanks for all you do.

I didn't really delve into Scottish dialects as there was a lot of conflicting information.

For example, Wiki says Scots and Gaelic are largely "dying out" or "going extinct". But a Scots language website says "Scots is the collective name for Scottish dialects.  Central Scots, which is a main dialect, has a sub dialect called West Central Scots, and within West Central Scots the city of Glasgow has long had a distinct city dialect. This means that people who speak Glasgow city dialect are speaking a form of West Central Scots and also belong to the wider Central Scots region because they share many features in common with other speakers in that larger dialect region. We can then take this one step further, to a national scale, and say that people speaking Glasgow city dialect are Scots speakers because Central Scots is one of the main dialects of the Scots language as a whole."

Needless to say...It was confusing to me.

What I ended up doing was having the nation speak Scottish English, as in almost everyone from there has an accent or different culture to foreigners. And in some Regions, such as Glasgow, the large majority of young people born there will speak "Scots".

If you know more, and can explain a proper language setup for Scotland, I'd be happy to adjust and add the dialects!

[BruceyNTFC]

16 hours ago, majesticeternity said:

I didn't really delve into Scottish dialects as there was a lot of conflicting information.

For example, Wiki says Scots and Gaelic are largely "dying out" or "going extinct". But a Scots language website says "Scots is the collective name for Scottish dialects.  Central Scots, which is a main dialect, has a sub dialect called West Central Scots, and within West Central Scots the city of Glasgow has long had a distinct city dialect. This means that people who speak Glasgow city dialect are speaking a form of West Central Scots and also belong to the wider Central Scots region because they share many features in common with other speakers in that larger dialect region. We can then take this one step further, to a national scale, and say that people speaking Glasgow city dialect are Scots speakers because Central Scots is one of the main dialects of the Scots language as a whole."

Needless to say...It was confusing to me.

What I ended up doing was having the nation speak Scottish English, as in almost everyone from there has an accent or different culture to foreigners. And in some Regions, such as Glasgow, the large majority of young people born there will speak "Scots".

If you know more, and can explain a proper language setup for Scotland, I'd be happy to adjust and add the dialects!

I think tackling the absolute range of dialects in the UK and making it stick in a way that reflects all the diferences would be a job that would take years. There's so many and they're all so varied, and in some cases (especially the aforementioned Doric) are almost unintelligible to non-natives. 

[avto]

Have You edited also Oceanian countries? It seems after the game's loaded, all of them have only English language set, while almost all of them also speak fluent their own languages...

And, maybe I haven't spotted it yet, if so - sorry, but you could consider also adding for the Polish Silesia region cities the Silesian language/dialect. Although not officially recognized by the state, there are still some places, where this is the local people mother tongue, not Polish language

[majesticeternity]

2 hours ago, avto said:

Have You edited also Oceanian countries? It seems after the game's loaded, all of them have only English language set, while almost all of them also speak fluent their own languages...

And, maybe I haven't spotted it yet, if so - sorry, but you could consider also adding for the Polish Silesia region cities the Silesian language/dialect. Although not officially recognized by the state, there are still some places, where this is the local people mother tongue, not Polish language

I have only really done the more major/important nations in FM, but am working on adding more. 

Yes, I can add the Silesian!

Are there any particular Oceanic countries you would like first?

[avto]

13 minutes ago, majesticeternity said:

I have only really done the more major/important nations in FM, but am working on adding more. 

Yes, I can add the Silesian!

Are there any particular Oceanic countries you would like first?

First, I'd like to express my respect for the work You've done! I haven't yet started playing, at the moment just collecting the league addons and files as Yours, checking which ones will work together, and which ones won't - so I hadn't an opportunity to discover all the richesse of Your add-on - but I really value it, as a linguist!

Of course, I understand, that the Oceanic nations and languages are not so important, and that this is not urgent in any way - that's obvious  But anyway, in the future editions it would be great to have included the national languages: Fijian (although this one might already be present), Gilbertese (for Kiribati), Samoan (for both Samoa and American Samoa), Tahitian, Tongan, Bislama for Vanuatu, Tuvaluan and, maybe Tok Pisin and Hiri Motu for Papua New Guinea. Maybe also something for Micronesia and New Caledonia, but here I have no idea yet. 

There could be also a lot of languages added at the Russian and ex-USSR territory, but I guess this could be harder to implement - anyway, if You're be willing to do it, for, let's say - the Russian republics nations' languages - I will be ready to help with any information translations from Russian and so on.

For Silesian - also, if You need any info available in Polish and Silesian - I'll translate it

KUTGW!

 

[majesticeternity]

54 minutes ago, avto said:

First, I'd like to express my respect for the work You've done! I haven't yet started playing, at the moment just collecting the league addons and files as Yours, checking which ones will work together, and which ones won't - so I hadn't an opportunity to discover all the richesse of Your add-on - but I really value it, as a linguist!

....

For Silesian - also, if You need any info available in Polish and Silesian - I'll translate it

KUTGW!

 

Thank you for the kind words!

I'll try to add them when I can.

[Uwe Seeler]

This is excellent work.

@majesticeternity Will you also create your "More Injuries" file like for FM19? I played all my saves with it. 

 

[zanchin]

This is actually incredible, lol

Props to you, @majesticeternity

Will this affect the name pool in some way? Managing in Brazil makes the regens get all the same names, I have like 4 Pipoca, 3 Xuxa and 5 Ricardo! 

Just a question, don't know if it's hardcoded

[Wolf_pd]

20 minutes ago, zanchin said:

This is actually incredible, lol

Props to you, @majesticeternity

Will this affect the name pool in some way? Managing in Brazil makes the regens get all the same names, I have like 4 Pipoca, 3 Xuxa and 5 Ricardo! 

Just a question, don't know if it's hardcoded

You might want to run a little test without this file, just to be sure.

[zanchin]

2 ore fa, Wolf_pd ha scritto:

You might want to run a little test without this file, just to be sure.

Sorry, I didn't explain myself properly.. I already started a career without this file and that's the situation I had.. I asked if this file could maybe correct that since during this period I can't test it myself.. 

[majesticeternity]

On 14/12/2019 at 01:22, Uwe Seeler said:

This is excellent work.

@majesticeternity Will you also create your "More Injuries" file like for FM19? I played all my saves with it. 

 

Yes, it is coming soon!

On 14/12/2019 at 03:38, zanchin said:

This is actually incredible, lol

Props to you, @majesticeternity

Will this affect the name pool in some way? Managing in Brazil makes the regens get all the same names, I have like 4 Pipoca, 3 Xuxa and 5 Ricardo! 

Just a question, don't know if it's hardcoded

Multiple people have tested if language affect newgen names, and it doesn't.

The only thing this file changes are languages for nations, cities, and regions. It doesn't change nationalities created per nation or names or anything else.

Edited December 15, 2019 by majesticeternity

[Wolf_pd]

7 hours ago, zanchin said:

Sorry, I didn't explain myself properly.. I already started a career without this file and that's the situation I had.. I asked if this file could maybe correct that since during this period I can't test it myself.. 

Ah ok, slight misunderstanding. The file will make it (slightly) better, but that depends on the precise changes made to the Brazilian cities and local regions.