Totalfootballfan Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, rlemos said: how would you use those tactics? I find that Phoenix - Attacking and Executioner tactics aren't suitable for the base/starting tactic because they are too attacking and they can be using during matches when you need a goal at any cost All other tactics from the OP can be used as the base/starting tactic, you can pick any formation you like or which suites your team... I don't see that any of them have significant advantage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bcfclee27 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 TFF, ive come back to this after a few weeks break from FM as was getting frustrated. Have started a new game and created my village team that will play in vanarama south. Was going to use Destroyer V3 (Beta). I now see you have added many new tactics. What would you recommend for me please mate ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DennisGr Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 TFF you ve done it again!!! I ve been following you and your tactics since FM 2015 and you are trully the best in business!! Greetings from a fan from Greece! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, Bcfclee27 said: TFF, ive come back to this after a few weeks break from FM as was getting frustrated. Have started a new game and created my village team that will play in vanarama south. Was going to use Destroyer V3 (Beta). I now see you have added many new tactics. What would you recommend for me please mate ? Pick Punisher/Pyromancer or Phoenix - Defense which better suite your team, both tactics offer a great overachieving level, especially, in low rep leagues 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGizMo Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Totalfootballfan said: ******** TWO NEW TACTICS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE OP PHOENIX - DEFENSE PHOENIX - ATTACK My new home and away tactic :P. Will try them both out for a couple of games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bcfclee27 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 18 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said: Pick Punisher/Pyromancer or Phoenix - Defense which better suite your team, both tactics offer a great overachieving level, especially, in low rep leagues Im gonna try Phoenix Defence as the base and Phoenix Attack if I need to score etc.. Quick question I changed over to beta a few weeks ago, do I need to manually update my game when there is a new patch or is it done automatically..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 Guys, I've added tactics ranking to the OP so far it looks like this: The tactics ranking: 1) Punisher V1/Pyromancer V1 2) Raider V1 3) Phoenix - Defense 4) Phoenix - Attack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BcfcRich Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Is the new patch the same as the beta? Do I need to manually install the latest update if I've been using the beta? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 minute ago, BcfcRich said: Is the new patch the same as the beta? Do I need to manually install the latest update if I've been using the beta? the new patch has different than the public beta ME Make sure that you are on the latest ME V2039 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pw75 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said: Guys, I've added tactics ranking to the OP so far it looks like this: The tactics ranking: 1) Punisher V1/Pyromancer V1 2) Raider V1 3) Phoenix - Defense 4) Phoenix - Attack TFF are you absolutely sure Punisher/Pyromancer are the best ranked? I've used your tactics for the last few years and although this FM version has been very up and down with consistency of tactics I've managed to overachieve with the teams I have managed. Destroyer v3 was a decent tactic and worked relatively well but as mentioned before Punisher v1 has been absolutely terrible for my Spurs team (W1, D7, L7). My team fits the tactics reasonably well and its not a bad squad but I find with Punisher v1 I might have 8 or 9 shots per game whereas with Destroyer v3 it was 15-25+. Maybe its just worked that way for me but it feels like these newer tactics are massively weaker. Not sure how others are finding them! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 minute ago, pw75 said: TFF are you absolutely sure Punisher/Pyromancer are the best ranked? I've used your tactics for the last few years and although this FM version has been very up and down with consistency of tactics I've managed to overachieve with the teams I have managed. Destroyer v3 was a decent tactic and worked relatively well but as mentioned before Punisher v1 has been absolutely terrible for my Spurs team (W1, D7, L7). My team fits the tactics reasonably well and its not a bad squad but I find with Punisher v1 I might have 8 or 9 shots per game whereas with Destroyer v3 it was 15-25+. Maybe its just worked that way for me but it feels like these newer tactics are massively weaker. Not sure how others are finding them! Mate, I can say that Destroyer V3 tactic was made for the ME V2031(public beta) which was less difficult/random than the current ME V2039 Also, I can say that with Punisher V1 my results are worse on ME V2039 than they were with Destroyer V3 on ME V2031 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busog-Lusog Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 19 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said: Guys, I've added tactics ranking to the OP so far it looks like this: The tactics ranking: 1) Punisher V1/Pyromancer V1 2) Raider V1 3) Phoenix - Defense 4) Phoenix - Attack So Punisher/Pyromancer is (for now) better than Phoenix? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ninodebest said: So Punisher/Pyromancer is (for now) better than Phoenix? Yes... I'd say Phoenix tactic for such top team as Liverpool, Barca, Man City, PSG because only with them you get more or less enjoyable result with this tactic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dzek Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 For top teams in EPL which is the better tactic? Punisher or Phoenix - Defence Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Theodoros Yiorkas said: For top teams in EPL which is the better tactic? Punisher or Phoenix - Defence Punisher/Pyromancer would work better with any team but there aren't many teams that fits the 442 formation by default So let's say if you are Liverpool, Man City, Barca or PSG which means you are the strongest team in the league and your team are builder for 433 formation then you might not rebuild the team to fit 4-4-2 formation and you can use Phoenix tactics, I find it gives acceptable result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 For those people who expect a miracle from Phoenix tactic, I want to show the result of my sim test with Southampton, predicted 12th Phoenix - Defense tactic was used for all matches, as you can see - no miracle at all... just got above the media prediction The Morale and Conditions were frozen for all teams in the league by FMRTE Punisher/Pyromancer tactic offer a better overachieving level than Phoenix Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ireliable Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 for the phoenix tactic, if I have one left footed and one right footed CM, any preference on what side to play them on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, Ireliable said: for the phoenix tactic, if I have one left footed and one right footed CM, any preference on what side to play them on? I find it's less important for CMs but if you can choose them I suggest a left footed on the left side and a right footed on the right side Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ireliable Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said: I find it's less important for CMs but if you can choose them I suggest a left footed on the left side and a right footed on the right side alright, thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk1979 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Hello, First, sorry for my englisch. Second: I play the touch version, is it normale that after the update patch 20.2.4 my tactic (4-4-2) sucks? I played 6 matches and i won 0 match and lost 3 matches.. Before the update i won all my matches. Also i have a lot of injury players. Thx for the information! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstam Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Can the Phoenix tactics be improved by having the AMR/AML man mark the opposition full backs? I’ve noticed this is a huge weakness of AMR/AML tactics in general. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruffer23 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 @Totalfootballfan which tactic would you use for Chelsea please bud Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 ********* Phoenix and RAIDER tactics have been updated to V2 Changes: - changes the role and PIs of DL position - tweaked the PIs and duties of MCL/MCR positions ********* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, Scruffer23 said: @Totalfootballfan which tactic would you use for Chelsea please bud I can suggest Punisher and Pyromancer tactics because these tactics have been well tested by me on this ME but you can also try the new tactics. for example, Raider V2 and Phoenix V2 I'm going to make few sim test with Chelsea using Raider V2 and Phoenix tactic if you want you can wait the results of my sim tests 16 minutes ago, danstam said: Can the Phoenix tactics be improved by having the AMR/AML man mark the opposition full backs? I’ve noticed this is a huge weakness of AMR/AML tactics in general. I really don't think it'll make any good 17 minutes ago, Dirk1979 said: Hello, First, sorry for my englisch. Second: I play the touch version, is it normale that after the update patch 20.2.4 my tactic (4-4-2) sucks? I played 6 matches and i won 0 match and lost 3 matches.. Before the update i won all my matches. Also i have a lot of injury players. Thx for the information! Hi, I can say that I find the M.E. has became more challenging with the new update so I think all tactics have became less efficient Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusho79bv Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 29 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said: I can say that I find the M.E. has became more challenging with the new update so I think all tactics have became less efficient Up to FM20, we could overachieve in the first season with all the teams played, but now ... it`s a different story! And to be honest, i like it like that, it`s more realistic, no more Champions in the first season with teams predicted to finish 12th or 15th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, Crusho79bv said: Up to FM20, we could overachieve in the first season with all the teams played, but now ... it`s a different story! And to be honest, i like it like that, it`s more realistic, no more Champions in the first season with teams predicted to finish 12th or 15th. I agree but sometimes it feel like you can do too little when it comes to your tactic because there are very limited set of tactical instructions and it feels like you depends on luck factor too much 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 Chelsea, predicted 3rd Raider V2 A sim test of the 1st season The Morale and Conditions were frozen by FMRTE for all teams in the league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FmLeeFm Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said: Chelsea, predicted 3rd Raider V2 A sim test of the 1st season The Morale and Conditions were frozen by FMRTE for all teams in the league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FmLeeFm Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Which filter set is best for Punisher/Pyromancer? FILTERSDOWNLOAD FILTERS ( RAPTOR & REAVER & DESTOYER ) --> https://www.mediafire.com/file/birc4vzw1s9mpiy/(FM20)_FILTERS_-_Raptor_and_Reaver_by_TFF.fmf/file DOWNLOAD FILTERS ( PREDATOR & CONQUEROR & STALKER ) --> https://www.mediafire.com/file/kdxty75vlpcy78k/(FM20)_FILTERS_-_Predator_and_Stalker_by_TFF.fmf/file Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, FmLeeFm said: Which filter set is best for Punisher/Pyromancer? Raptor and Reaver filters can be used with Punisher/Pyromancer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busog-Lusog Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 @Totalfootballfan What about the strikers? Left foot or right foot on left striker (and what on right striker)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvin0131 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Very good tactic for my 20.2.3 save. thank you TFF do you know how to not update to 20.2.4 in setting?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 Chelsea, predicted 3rd Pyromancer V1 A sim test of the 1st season The Morale and Conditions were frozen by FMRTE for all teams in the league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, Ninodebest said: @Totalfootballfan What about the strikers? Left foot or right foot on left striker (and what on right striker)? I suggest using inverted foot 9 minutes ago, kelvin0131 said: do you know how to not update to 20.2.4 in setting?? https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/prevent-steam-auto-update-games 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlemos Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 TFF, i would like to understand more about the way you choose your players? Because u have so many cases that they really have a nice PA, but let's say if you look at their atributes... u have pace 11, or accelaration 11 Can you plse expand your thoughts about this plse. thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 24 minutes ago, rlemos said: TFF, i would like to understand more about the way you choose your players? Because u have so many cases that they really have a nice PA, but let's say if you look at their atributes... u have pace 11, or accelaration 11 Can you plse expand your thoughts about this plse. thanks PA( Potential Ability) doesn't have any meaning for the current moment because it's the maximum number for CA and a player might never reach his PA. CA( Current Ability ) is a total amount of points that a player has to spend on his attributes at the current moment. Let's for this tactic you need a fast and agile striker so the higher Aceleration, Pace and Agility attributes, the better Also, he must have a good off the ball movement so the higher Anticipation, Off The Ball and Work Rate attributes, the better Also, he must be good at dribbling so the higher Dribbling and Flair, the better Also, he must be good at scoring goals so the higher Finishing, Long Shots, Decisions, Composure and Concentration attributes, the better Also, the higher his Technique attribute, the more stuff he can do with the ball so the higher Technique attribute, the better The algorithm above is how you pick strikers for the tactic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elari Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Not sure if it's because of the tactics or the ME update, but im acutally having fun with the game now, playing with the Phoenix defense tactics. So thanks for that, I guess, TFF. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FmLeeFm Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Totalfootballfan said: Raptor and Reaver filters can be used with Punisher/Pyromancer Struggling to find a good DM DLP - Could you upload a filter for the position? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 20 minutes ago, FmLeeFm said: Struggling to find a good DM DLP - Could you upload a filter for the position? You can tweak the MCL/MCR filter to find DM, just change the position requirements from CM to DM and that's all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKorr Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Just an update on Phoenix Defense V2: While not a "cheat" tactic, it massively over-performs and it is much better than Phoenix Defense V1. Thank you TFF! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGizMo Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Totalfootballfan said: ********* Phoenix and RAIDER tactics have been updated to V2 Changes: - changes the role and PIs of DL position - tweaked the PIs and duties of MCL/MCR positions ********* 6 hours ago, MrGizMo said: My new home and away tactic :P. Will try them both out for a couple of games lol, cant even test this quick :P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKorr Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Go for Phoenix Defense V2, it's really good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 36 minutes ago, GKorr said: Go for Phoenix Defense V2, it's really good I've got another improvements for Phoenix and Punisher/Pyromancer tactics... I'll upload them tomorrow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicnut Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Crusho79bv said: Up to FM20, we could overachieve in the first season with all the teams played, but now ... it`s a different story! And to be honest, i like it like that, it`s more realistic, no more Champions in the first season with teams predicted to finish 12th or 15th. Whats the point of playing this game with this current "level" of overachievement? I don't want to win a league about 8 seasons in on a team full of regens on 180+ ca.. See no point in that and have no time for it. Actually since 20.2 I spent literally 10 more times cutting to the chase on this forum than playing the game with this filthy "engine" as I see more point in that than playing it . I had about 1200 hours on 19 and on 20 I won't even hit 400 ( have 373 so far vast majority pre 20.2). 0 hours last 2 weeks^ Edited February 8, 2020 by magicnut 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
njXuanX Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) @Totalfootballfan Any chance to create some version of zero-top/strikeless tactics? In the past it works much more dominate and creative. Edited February 8, 2020 by njXuanX Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruffer23 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 @Totalfootballfan what filters do we use for Phoenix defense ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 ********* ALL TACTICS HAVE BEEN UPDATED CHANGES: There are a decent amount of tweaks including important set-pieces tweaks I'll add tactics ranking a bit later because at the moment some of them started to deliver surprisingly high results so it requires producing more test to be sure So my list of tactics for ME V2039 looks like this: PUNISHER V2 PYROMANCER V2 RAIDER V3 PHOENIX V3 STINGER V1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
petraxil Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 TFF You are awesome ! Thanks ! Keep up the good work ! I use the punisher for now ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, Scruffer23 said: @Totalfootballfan what filters do we use for Phoenix defense ?? The filters looks confusing at the moment so I bit later I'll updated them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocogumbo Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 I've got Haaland and Esposito as strikers so would you suggest Pyromancer as the base tactic? Or just use one of them and use Punisher? I've also got Rafael Leao as back up so would be a shame not to use 2 up front anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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