Busog-Lusog Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 13 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said: I agree I was too harsh on Raider and I'd say it can be even better than Phoenix V4 So what combo do you recommend now in general? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicnut Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said: Guys, I just want to show you some stuff that will be useful to know Here's one of my sim test with Chelsea when I used Phoenix V4 tactic As you can I got 94 pts, scored 67 goals and conceded 22 goals Now here's my other sim test with Chelsea when I use the same Phoenix V4 tactic As you can see this time I got only 61 pts, scored only 45 goals and conceded 33 goals I sim in FM Touch so it means there no Team Talks, no Shouts, no Briefings which could add additional randomness when you play in the full game Also I use FMRTE that freezes the morale and condition for all players in the league which mean there's no random injuries, no random poor morale after bad run And still as you can the results varies about 30% Could you imagine what randomness you can get it real game? When you can have injuries, poor morale and you have to rotate you team? At the moment FM20 is very random and you need to be ready for it Im ready Edited February 9, 2020 by magicnut 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
njXuanX Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Totalfootballfan said: After some consideration I've decided to bring back Raider V4 tactic to the OP, it can be very useful tactic in times when you want to play very defensively So, which one for you much offensively, punisher v2 or phoenix v4 or stringer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, Ninodebest said: So what combo do you recommend now in general? It's hard to say for me at the moment, both tactics produce very similar results, the different between them is less than 15%, Raider is slightly more defensive and Phoenix is slightly more attacking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, njXuanX said: So, which one for you much offensively, punisher v2 or phoenix v4 or stringer? Obviously, Punisher and Stinger are more offensive tactics than Phoenix Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
njXuanX Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said: Obviously, Punisher and Stinger are more offensive tactics than Phoenix 2AF(Pyromancer) seems not so efficient than 1AF1SS(Punisher)? so should I choose Punisher and Stinger for scoring? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, njXuanX said: 2AF(Pyromancer) seems not so efficient than 1AF1SS(Punisher)? so should I choose Punisher and Stinger for scoring? Punisher, Pyromancer and Stinger tactics should be considered when you want to be more attacking, they all produce very similar results, the moment I can't rank them, I need to produce more testing for it, I hope I can rank them soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
njXuanX Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 20 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said: Punisher, Pyromancer and Stinger tactics should be considered when you want to be more attacking, they all produce very similar results, the moment I can't rank them, I need to produce more testing for it, I hope I can rank them soon thx for great job! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennedyBakircioglu Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 @Totalfootballfan Belated thanks for providing us with your tactics, I've been using them for years now. I have a quick question, I'm managing RB Leipzig, 9 seasons in and with a very good squad, at home I can use any of your tactics and do okay but I'm really struggling away against the so called bigger teams, i.e. Bayern and Dortmund, any advice on which tactic I should try and use for these matches? FYI I'm playing on FMT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, KennedyBakircioglu said: @Totalfootballfan Belated thanks for providing us with your tactics, I've been using them for years now. I have a quick question, I'm managing RB Leipzig, 9 seasons in and with a very good squad, at home I can use any of your tactics and do okay but I'm really struggling away against the so called bigger teams, i.e. Bayern and Dortmund, any advice on which tactic I should try and use for these matches? FYI I'm playing on FMT. Hi mate, Thanks for good words. About the away matches... I find that in home matches the home side gets some sort of a hidden buff to their abilities and it could be that the away side gets some sort of a hidden debuff to their abilities so away matches always will be harder than home matches in FM but it doesn't mean that you need any "special" tactic for away matches because with any tactic you'll be doing better in home matches than away matches but obviously, AI managers tend to be more attacking when they play home and they tend to be more defensive when they play away but it's usually hard to say how the AI will play because it depends on the difference between your team and his team reputation and his tactical attributes, also, AI managers might change their approaches during matches depends on the score and that's why your base/starting tactic should be well balanced and I find Phoenix V4 is well balanced tactic to start away and home matches and during them you can change to something different depends on the score 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk1979 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 I 'me verry happy with the Phoenix V4 tactic! I play now with Anderlecht (this is my 4th season in FM2020). Before i was coach of a small Belgium team. i have a lot of ball posision +-65% Ty verry much for this tactics 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennedyBakircioglu Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said: Hi mate, Thanks for good words. About the away matches... I find that in home matches the home side gets some sort of a hidden buff to their abilities and it could be that the away side gets some sort of a hidden debuff to their abilities so away matches always will be harder than home matches in FM but it doesn't mean that you need any "special" tactic for away matches because with any tactic you'll be doing better in home matches than away matches but obviously, AI managers tend to be more attacking when they play home and they tend to be more defensive when they play away but it's usually hard to say how the AI will play because it depends on the difference between your team and his team reputation and his tactical attributes, also, AI managers might change their approaches during matches depends on the score and that's why your base/starting tactic should be well balanced and I find Phoenix V4 is well balanced tactic to start away and home matches and during them you can change to something different depends on the score Thanks mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrows Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 I have to say I am struggling with the tactics. Playing with Phoenix v4 as the base starter tactic but finished 6th from bottom and now in 16th in second season. barely score a goal, 7 in 7 games and 4 were in 1 game!! I have tried the other tactics too but no better. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmjonek Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 after 1st season with Leicester i switched from Pyromancer to Phoenix and i have to say that Pyromancer was a lot more "stable" tactic for my team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinball_88 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 I do not know why, but i have very bad results. Create very few moments and score a little. My team Sparta Praha Used "PUNISHER V2" and "PHOENIX V4" 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrows Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, pinball_88 said: I do not know why, but i have very bad results. Create very few moments and score a little. My team Sparta Praha Used "PUNISHER V2" and "PHOENIX V4" Yep me too. I haven’t found a tactic that genuinely works in this new match engine. Think I would get relegated if I carried on using Phoenix v4. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaloooBear Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Hi TFF, Big fan and user of your tactics of the last few years - I'm completely dependent on you!! I've only just started struggling when switching to Phoenix V4, my free scoring team have completely dried up. Looking forward to your next release, thanks for your continued hard work. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rineegan Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Hello Tff,can u tell us please which tactic is the best around here.I didnt expect so many tactics from u In past managers it is always one but OP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriek Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, rineegan said: Hello Tff,can u tell us please which tactic is the best around here.I didnt expect so many tactics from u In past managers it is always one but OP He's still doing testing to rank the tactics. His advice currently is to start with Phoenix V4 and to switch to punisher if needed 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 18 minutes ago, BaloooBear said: Hi TFF, Big fan and user of your tactics of the last few years - I'm completely dependent on you!! I've only just started struggling when switching to Phoenix V4, my free scoring team have completely dried up. Looking forward to your next release, thanks for your continued hard work. Hi mate, I find the new patch is very difficult and if you play in top leagues such EPL or La Liga and you finish the season above your media prediction then it's already a good results but of course, I always try to improve the tactics 13 minutes ago, rineegan said: Hello Tff,can u tell us please which tactic is the best around here.I didnt expect so many tactics from u In past managers it is always one but OP Hi mate, At the moment I can't suggest just one tactic and suggest trying Phoenix V4 and Punisher V2/Stinger V1 combo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meraklija Vujevic Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 58 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said: Hi mate, I find the new patch is very difficult and if you play in top leagues such EPL or La Liga and you finish the season above your media prediction then it's already a good results but of course, I always try to improve the tactics Hi mate, At the moment I can't suggest just one tactic and suggest trying Phoenix V4 and Punisher V2/Stinger V1 combo I dont agree with your statements regarding difficulty with new patch,even if you have some bad luck set pieces can **** your game. On other side I dont agree with people who want instant success with plug and play style. This people need to learn how to play game properly, Later on I will show you my current campaign where you can see how small club wins title in Seria A in first season. Entire season is on you tube and I need to play few games more to complete season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olivercho Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Same here, not really getting any good results with Phoenix/Punisher combo. Played around 20 games and have 0-0 or 1-1 draws against teams like Bournemouth, Watford, Norwich (I'm playing Man Utd). Was getting better results on the previous patch with Destroyer and Conqueror. Will try Raider now. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusho79bv Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, pinball_88 said: I do not know why, but i have very bad results. Create very few moments and score a little. My team Sparta Praha Used "PUNISHER V2" and "PHOENIX V4" I don`t know what you guys are doing, but for me, Phoenix V4 with minor tweaks is a monster of a tactic. This is one ex. of tiki-taka goals scored by my team : Edited February 9, 2020 by Crusho79bv 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Olivercho said: Same here, not really getting any good results with Phoenix/Punisher combo. Played around 20 games and have 0-0 or 1-1 draws against teams like Bournemouth, Watford, Norwich (I'm playing Man Utd). Was getting better results on the previous patch with Destroyer and Conqueror. Will try Raider now. the previous patches were less difficult, mate... this patch is very difficult so there's nothing wrong from time to time having draws vs such teams like Bournemouth, Watford, Norwich even if you play with Man Utd 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adlyd90 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 The TFF was right, the engine didn't change much, it still sucks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olivercho Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 15 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said: the previous patches were less difficult, mate... this patch is very difficult so there's nothing wrong from time to time having draws vs such teams like Bournemouth, Watford, Norwich even if you play with Man Utd I get that but i wasnt really dominating the games. Had maybe 5-6 shots on target. They had me open more times than i had them. Also lost to Arsenal 0-3 and City 0-2. With Destroyer i beat liverpool 4-0. Let's see how it goes with reaver and ill try tweaking phoneix little bit since u say its the most well-rounded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Olivercho said: I get that but i wasnt really dominating the games. Had maybe 5-6 shots on target. They had me open more times than i had them. Also lost to Arsenal 0-3 and City 0-2. With Destroyer i beat liverpool 4-0. Let's see how it goes with reaver and ill try tweaking phoneix little bit since u say its the most well-rounded. Mate, as I said I also did much better with Destroyer on the public beta but new patch and new rules I can say that I agree with everyone who thinks that the tactics at OP aren't efficient enough and I'm also frustrated and I'm trying to improve the efficiency but it isn't that easy on the new patch 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruffer23 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 @Totalfootballfanis coming deep to get ball still bad ppm for mc on phoenix tactic coz one of my players has picked this up through mentoring Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Scruffer23 said: @Totalfootballfanis coming deep to get ball still bad ppm for mc on phoenix tactic coz one of my players has picked this up through mentoring Yes, I find it's a negative PPMs for the MCs in Phoenix but I don't think it would be tragic if they have it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruffer23 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said: Yes, I find it's a negative PPMs for the MCs in Phoenix but I don't think it would be tragic if they have it Both of them have it !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 Just now, Scruffer23 said: Both of them have it !! If you play in a low rep league then I think it doesn't matter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruffer23 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said: If you play in a low rep league then I think it doesn't matter I’m in the championship!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossGib900 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Tff - Phoneix doesn't seem to be working well at all for me. Conceding a lot of goals and when I do win its narrow 1-0 wins Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, Scruffer23 said: I’m in the championship!! Still I think it'll be fine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 ******* Two new tactics have been added to the OP SLAYER V1 CRUSHER V1 Guys, I've cleaned up the OP and left only 3 tactics that worth attention at the moment 1) Slayer V1 2) Crusher V1 3) Phoenix V4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busog-Lusog Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Just now, Totalfootballfan said: ******* Two new tactics have been added to the OP SLAYER V1 CRUSHER V1 Guys, I've cleaned up the OP and left only 3 tactics that worth attention at the moment 1) Slayer V1 2) Crusher V1 3) Phoenix V4 Any tips for the best combo? Or is there a ranking? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pw75 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) Got to say for me Raider v4 from the start, Phoenix v4 if behind, and time wasting tactic if ahead was just starting to give me good results. Think I'm gong to stay with the above as before that my results were pants! Be interesting to see the new tactics and how they fare though. Edited February 9, 2020 by pw75 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazycfc Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said: ******* Two new tactics have been added to the OP SLAYER V1 CRUSHER V1 Guys, I've cleaned up the OP and left only 3 tactics that worth attention at the moment 1) Slayer V1 2) Crusher V1 3) Phoenix V4 Is the individual training for Slayer the same as Phoenix Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ninodebest said: Any tips for the best combo? Or is there a ranking? I prefer Slayer V1 / Crusher V1 combo but at the moment there's no much choice... only 3 tactics has left so it could be Slayer V1 / Crusher V1 or Phoenix V4 / Crusher V1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, dazycfc said: Is the individual training for Slayer the same as Phoenix It's slight different, I've added it There are changes for DL/DR positons Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 Guys, soon I'll add an universal time wasting tactic for Slayer, Crusher and Phoenix tactic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGizMo Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 11 hours ago, Totalfootballfan said: Yes, but it's less important now I'm putting them under a spoiler at the bottom of the OP... I see point only in sharing really "special" tactic and I don't see point in sharing average tactics Attack version of Phoenix is gone. and believe me its a great tactic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, MrGizMo said: Attack version of Phoenix is gone. and believe me its a great tactic I just renamed it to Stinger, it still can be found at the bottom of the OP Btw, if it happens you need some old tactic just tell me and I always can attach them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossGib900 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Really like having AP and DLP - hope these work out great - thanks TFF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGizMo Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 11 hours ago, Totalfootballfan said: Yes, but it's less important now I'm putting them under a spoiler at the bottom of the OP... I see point only in sharing really "special" tactic and I don't see point in sharing average tactics Attack version of Phoenix is gone. and believe me its a great tactic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrows Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 23 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said: ******* Two new tactics have been added to the OP SLAYER V1 CRUSHER V1 Guys, I've cleaned up the OP and left only 3 tactics that worth attention at the moment 1) Slayer V1 2) Crusher V1 3) Phoenix V4 Thank you. will give both the new ones a go and report back 👍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGizMo Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 27 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said: ******* Two new tactics have been added to the OP SLAYER V1 CRUSHER V1 Guys, I've cleaned up the OP and left only 3 tactics that worth attention at the moment 1) Slayer V1 2) Crusher V1 3) Phoenix V4 lol you are changing them fast Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busog-Lusog Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 32 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said: I prefer Slayer V1 / Crusher V1 combo but at the moment there's no much choice... only 3 tactics has left so it could be Slayer V1 / Crusher V1 or Phoenix V4 / Crusher V1 So Slayer/Phoenix as standard, and Crusher as attacking option I suppose? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazycfc Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 How do you train the amc on crusher,as the set up is same as the other 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, dazycfc said: How do you train the amc on crusher,as the set up is same as the other 2 I forgot to add it... Advanced Playmaker ( Attack ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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