Warszawa Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 cerber doing very well in My QPR test save. For away matches VS teams 1-10 im droping left winger in to CD cover with same PI's as other two CD, and left WB on Attack 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 5 hours ago, darkhell26 said: Hi TFF, Thank you for the amazing tactics. I'm currently using the Executioner and Ashbringer combo. 1 question. I have Haaland and Mayoral. Haaland will play on the left side and Mayoral on the right as strikers when using the Executioner tactic. Thing is AF is not Haaland's preferred role. If I were to change his role to pressing forward, which is Haaland's preferred role, would it affect the tactics much? Hi, I would suggest ignoring the roles rating and play him as AF 4 hours ago, Theodoros Yiorkas said: For Cerber V2 MR/L have to trained in Inverted Winger (Support)? Because they have Winger role in the tactic. @Totalfootballfan Thank you! that was for V1, I just forgot to edit it for V2 8 hours ago, manidaro7 said: TFF, is the best combo still ashbringer v4 and executioner v4? Obviously, Ashbringer V4 is the best choice when you want to play defensive, I don't say that Ashbringer V4 is the most effective tactic, I just say that Ashbringer is the best defensive tactic which means it concedes less than other tactics but it isn't the most effective tactic When you want to play attacking then Executioner V4 / Cerber V2 are tactics to go with, both tactics show great attacking potential at the moment so it's hard for me to say which of them is better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manidaro7 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 19 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said: Hi, I would suggest ignoring the roles rating and play him as AF that was for V1, I just forgot to edit it for V2 Obviously, Ashbringer V4 is the best choice when you want to play defensive, I don't say that Ashbringer V4 is the most effective tactic, I just say that Ashbringer is the best defensive tactic which means it concedes less than other tactics but it isn't the most effective tactic When you want to play attacking then Executioner V4 / Cerber V2 are tactics to go with, both tactics show great attacking potential at the moment so it's hard for me to say which of them is better I finished the season and at the moment I am stopped because I would like to know first which combo to use so that I can start to market by going to get those players with ke characteristics suitable for the form Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warszawa Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 great for mid/underdog teams 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvin0131 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, White Europe said: great for mid/underdog teams which tactic ??? thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warszawa Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 minute ago, kelvin0131 said: which tactic ??? thanks cerber + away version from 5 posts above Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mama14 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 White europe.. can you post your away tactic of cerber? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warszawa Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, mama14 said: White europe.. can you post your away tactic of cerber? well all changes are in few post above, but i will if thats not a problem with TFF. original is much better, this is only to defend. 361 Cerber V2 by TFF.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mama14 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 thanks white europe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senz Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 I've got mixed results with Cerber v2.. I lose at home against noob teams. So used Raptor V4 instead and it still works fine for me :P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas91 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 in my case in VNL North with Boston, Executioner v4 has been more consistent at the back ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas91 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 November and December were with cerber, january with executioner v4! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robhall1 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 This is first season using Cerber V2. No signings, Holiday all season. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robhall1 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, robhall1 said: This is first season using Cerber V2. No signings, Holiday all season. forgot to mention, my media prediction was 20th! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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manidaro7 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 5 hours ago, Totalfootballfan said: Hi, I would suggest ignoring the roles rating and play him as AF that was for V1, I just forgot to edit it for V2 Obviously, Ashbringer V4 is the best choice when you want to play defensive, I don't say that Ashbringer V4 is the most effective tactic, I just say that Ashbringer is the best defensive tactic which means it concedes less than other tactics but it isn't the most effective tactic When you want to play attacking then Executioner V4 / Cerber V2 are tactics to go with, both tactics show great attacking potential at the moment so it's hard for me to say which of them is better I finished the season and at the moment I am stopped because I would like to know first which combo to use so that I can start to market by going to get those players with ke characteristics suitable for the form Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) Gave Cerber a go with Norwich, same as what I've done with others came 9th which isn't that bad. No transfers/no freezing just going on holiday. Cerber Norwich 9th Save File (Tactic is familar and been used all season just not position/role/duty due to players but you can see that in the save itself) Edited February 23, 2020 by Guest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, manidaro7 said: I finished the season and at the moment I am stopped because I would like to know first which combo to use so that I can start to market by going to get those players with ke characteristics suitable for the form Mate, at the moment I'm producing extensive testing of Cerber tactic, I'm trying some things that can further improve the tactic, at the same time, I'm gathering data to make a conclusion about which tactic is more efficient Cerber or Executioner... I can't give exact ETA when I'm done but I think in the next few days I'll clear this question Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lipebtavares Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Do you have a 4-2-3-1 tactic with 3 MOCs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, lipebtavares said: Do you have a 4-2-3-1 tactic with 3 MOCs? I find that 4-2-3-1 formation offers a very low efficiency so I don't see a point in sharing 4-2-3-1 tactics Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 56 minutes ago, Danwolf said: Gave Cerber a go with Norwich, same as what I've done with others came 9th which isn't that bad. No transfers/no freezing just going on holiday. If you have interest in tactic testing then I can give you some useful information Here some highlights of my tactic testing environment: The conditions and morale of all players in the testing league are frozen which means: - no injuries can happen so you can use the same starting eleven for all matches and the AI teams the same starting eleven for all matches which greatly reduces randomness - no problem with the conditions so you don't have to rotate the team and you can use the same starting eleven for all matches and that greatly reduces randomness - no problem with the morale due to unlucky defeats or poor team talks or players complains and that greatly reduces randomness Having all that after playing 114 matches (3 seasons = 38 x 3 ) and using the same tactic I usually see that the point can varies about 30%, the goals can varies 30% and goals against can varies 30% So... let's say I'm testing Tactic "A" and after 114 matches I can have these results: 1st run (114 matches) 100 points, 100 goals scored, 100 goals conceded 2nd run(114 matches) 70 points, 70 goals scored. 130 goals conceded Now could you imagine how random your result can be when you test in real game and only for 38 matches? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said: If you have interest in tactic testing then I can give you some useful information Here some highlights of my tactic testing environment: The conditions and morale of all players in the testing league are frozen which means: - no injuries can happen so you can use the same starting eleven for all matches and the AI teams the same starting eleven for all matches which greatly reduces randomness - no problem with the conditions so you don't have to rotate the team and you can use the same starting eleven for all matches and that greatly reduces randomness - no problem with the morale due to unlucky defeats or poor team talks or players complains and that greatly reduces randomness Having all that after playing 114 matches (3 seasons = 38 x 3 ) and using the same tactic I usually see that the point can varies about 30%, the goals can varies 30% and goals against can varies 30% So... let's say I'm testing Tactic "A" and after 114 matches I can have these results: 1st run (114 matches) 100 points, 100 goals scored, 100 goals conceded 2nd run(114 matches) 70 points, 70 goals scored. 130 goals conceded Now could you imagine how random your result can be when you test in real game and only for 38 matches? As you're very well aware I've got a good understanding of testing leagues along with environments. As with every test environment there are downsides, none are perfect. It was a quick test with Norwich City leaving the AssMan in charge as I stated in my post. Gives that realistic RNG approach and it's a team a lot of people use in FM since they have very good core of players. Though if you want to talk testing in more depth we should probably take it to this thread - Edited February 23, 2020 by Guest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 23 minutes ago, Danwolf said: It was a quick test with Norwich City leaving the AssMan in charge as I stated in my post. I don't have nothing against any tests and I replied you only because there were conclusions in your post which you removed but I already made my post. Btw, when I tested Executioner tactic with Bournemouth, predicted 15th in real game I got such result: 1st run - I got 80 points 2nd run - I got 55 points 3rd run I got 65 points I must add that I tested with FMRTE which means I froze the morale and conditions for all teams in the league so all teams were able to use the same starting eleven for all matches and still the randomness was huge... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUBI Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 This thread is about TFF tactics, so there is no need to compare it (especially without adding evidence). All tactic creators have their own way to test their tactics and they usually explain it in the threads. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Totalfootballfan said: I'm producing extensive testing of Cerber tactic, I'm trying some things that can further improve the tactic, at the same time Just one more testing run is left, guys... it looks monstrous 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Khan Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Have beeing playing around with Cerber v2 since yesterday and I like it a lot! I particularly like the adjustments you made over v1 by shifting it to positive mentality and also the CAM to SS specifically as it feels SS is slightly more useful or so it appears in my playthroughs. Very wel done TFF! At this point it feels like a more consistent corner scoring tacting is missing and it is the perfect setup (for me at least). Quick question: You mentioned above some of the settings you use for your personal testing. I wanted to ask what sample do you usually take during these personal tests? Do you think 10x seasons is a good enough sample when there are big fluctuation/discrepancies from test to test? I'm simply asking to learn what would be a good sample for my testing too when I'm tweaking small stuff and trying to see their effects. Once again, cheers for great tactics as always! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, Don_Khan said: Have beeing playing around with Cerber v2 since yesterday and I like it a lot! I particularly like the adjustments you made over v1 by shifting it to positive mentality and also the CAM to SS specifically as it feels SS is slightly more useful or so it appears in my playthroughs. Very wel done TFF! At this point it feels like a more consistent corner scoring tacting is missing and it is the perfect setup (for me at least). If V3 doesn't fail in the last testing run then it'll be the most efficient tactic that I managed to get so far... we should know in 15 min 10 minutes ago, Don_Khan said: Quick question: You mentioned above some of the settings you use for your personal testing. I wanted to ask what sample do you usually take during these personal tests? Do you think 10x seasons is a good enough sample when there are big fluctuation/discrepancies from test to test? I'm simply asking to learn what would be a good sample for my testing too when I'm tweaking small stuff and trying to see their effects. Once again, cheers for great tactics as always! Mate, I can only say that in my tactic testing league where I eliminated as much as possible random factors I get an accurate result only after 760 matches played and anything less than that is just too random Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 ********* CERBER tactic has been updated to V3 Changes: - chenged the D-Line to "Standart" Guys, I find CERBER V3 is the most efficient tactic at the moment (that's with the long throw-in included) CERBER V3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas91 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) done all pre-season and built the team for executioner, changed to this right the day before the first game of VNL and this happened! Lets see if we can maintain this! Note that the team dinamics are still very low and tatic bars are not even close to fluid because of the change! Nice job TFF! Edited February 23, 2020 by Jonas91 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 ********* A new tactic FURY V1 has been added to the OP FURRY V1 is a tweak of CERBER V3 tactic. The only difference: Mentality, D-Line and Passing Also, I renamed the time wasting tactic into SHIELD WALL V1 Guys, at the moment I find the best combo to play is CERBER V3 and FURY V1. I suggest starting all matches with Cerber V3 and if at some point during matches it requires to put more pressure on the opposition and play more attacking way then you can change for Fury V1. Also use Shield Wall V1 tactic when you need to "kill" the game and waste time. ********* 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaJaTotalFoot Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Gr8 tactic won bundesliga with werder bremen in the first season! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rencamboot Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 hi tff Red card in shield wall? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 27 minutes ago, rencamboot said: hi tff Red card in shield wall? Thanks Hi, I suggest removing one of the MCs and moving other to the center Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manidaro7 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Red card in cerber at fury? will you update the filters? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 14 minutes ago, manidaro7 said: Red card in cerber at fury? If I was winning then I would removed AMC and If I was losing then I would MCR 14 minutes ago, manidaro7 said: will you update the filters? The filters are ok, no need any update Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warszawa Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 cerber v2 plus away tweak only against teams 1-6 away... should i change to v3 if this is doing so well 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warszawa Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 ok ok just launch v3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warszawa Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 second part of the season our defenders went on holidays, still good 2nd place 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mwandila Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Is there any filters for the wingbacks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, Mwandila said: Is there any filters for the wingbacks? just use the filters for DL/DR positions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busog-Lusog Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 How many % would you say Cerber and Fury are better than Excecutioner? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor76 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Hi @Totalfootballfan, do you think you can create a solid 3-5-2 in FM20? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 52 minutes ago, Ninodebest said: How many % would you say Cerber and Fury are better than Excecutioner? mate, I can't give exact numbers but the updated Cerber is better, of course, it's true with the new long throw-in setup 26 minutes ago, tractor76 said: Hi @Totalfootballfan, do you think you can create a solid 3-5-2 in FM20? Hi mate, I've tried many times but didn't manage to get anything decent from 3-5-2 formation, I find this formation doesn't offer any high efficiency Bump 13 hours ago, Totalfootballfan said: ********* CERBER tactic has been updated to V3 Changes: - chenged the D-Line to "Standart" Guys, I find CERBER V3 is the most efficient tactic at the moment (that's with the long throw-in included) CERBER V3 11 hours ago, Totalfootballfan said: ********* A new tactic FURY V1 has been added to the OP FURRY V1 is a tweak of CERBER V3 tactic. The only difference: Mentality, D-Line and Passing Also, I renamed the time wasting tactic into SHIELD WALL V1 Guys, at the moment I find the best combo to play is CERBER V3 and FURY V1. I suggest starting all matches with Cerber V3 and if at some point during matches it requires to put more pressure on the opposition and play more attacking way then you can change for Fury V1. Also use Shield Wall V1 tactic when you need to "kill" the game and waste time. ********* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeutd Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 I really like these tactics but is there anyway i can stop the fouls? Every game im getting well over 5 yellows minimum and reds too. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 14 minutes ago, leeutd said: I really like these tactics but is there anyway i can stop the fouls? Every game im getting well over 5 yellows minimum and reds too. Thanks If you see some of your players gets booked during a match then add "Easy Of Tackles" PI to this player, it'll greatly reduces the chances of him getting 2nd yellow / red cad if your player gets a straight red card then it's just a random case, the higher hidden "Dirtiness" attribute, the higher chances of getting a straight red card Obviously, "Hard Tackles" PI gives more fouls and yellows cards but the same times it's improves your result, for example, let's say there's a dangerous count-attack against you that has a very high chances to lead to a goal and if your defender doesn't have "Hard Tackles" PI then he highly likely let it happen but with "Hard Tackles" PI he will stop that dangerous counter-attack in cost of foul / yellow card but it prevent the goal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Bickle Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Your tactics never work for me. The only time they work is exploiting throw ins or corners. If that doesn't work they are so bad I get sacked. Yet they always end up topping tactic testing tables. So either you're doing what got you banned at FMBase or I'm doing something seriously wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
topyoyo Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 any players recommended for amc like other positions you posted it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 11 minutes ago, topyoyo said: any players recommended for amc like other positions you posted it I'll add recommended attributes for AMC position a bit latter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeutd Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 18 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said: If you see some of your players gets booked during a match then add "Easy Of Tackles" PI to this player, it'll greatly reduces the chances of him getting 2nd yellow / red cad if your player gets a straight red card then it's just a random case, the higher hidden "Dirtiness" attribute, the higher chances of getting a straight red card Obviously, "Hard Tackles" PI gives more fouls and yellows cards but the same times it's improves your result, for example, let's say there's a dangerous count-attack against you that has a very high chances to lead to a goal and if your defender doesn't have "Hard Tackles" PI then he highly likely let it happen but with "Hard Tackles" PI he will stop that dangerous counter-attack in cost of foul / yellow card but it prevent the goal Thank you for the quick reply. I will try adding the ease tackle if yellows are picked up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totalfootballfan Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, leeutd said: Thank you for the quick reply. I will try adding the ease tackle if yellows are picked up No problem, mate. Btw, the info about how to manage "Hard tackles" can be found at the OP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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