bitzu_rock Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) Hi! I have a question.... Is there a certain amount of leagues that could be set as playable with all players loaded for those leagues, so that the game can run optimal ? (let's say you use processor i7 or i5). I tried some new saves..one with around 170k players loaded for 15 playable leagues and i am not sure where the game could go slow....when saving, when Continuing, both ? So what amount of leagues do you set as playable and which of them in general? I am asking because i do not want to start a save and later to get slower because of the amount of players loaded. Edited January 16, 2020 by bitzu_rock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrrelevantLion Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Going to need more information than "i7 or i5". Literally hundreds of different models spanning back 9 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 170k players is a whole lot of processing unless you have a great machine and as your save progresses, will inevitably lead to some slow down. I have always felt that loading leagues that are never going to provide you with any gems is a waste of processing power, so usually have about 30 leagues loaded with around 65-70k players and that will be sufficient for almost all save types ( particularly if you are playing as a a top team) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitzu_rock Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 Ok..so i am going to play only with York (6th English tier). Do not want to switch to other team in this save. So...considering this i selected England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Ireland as playable with all their leagues and all players loaded from custom database. Do you think that is good enough to get some good players in the future? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitzu_rock Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 16 hours ago, FrazT said: 170k players is a whole lot of processing unless you have a great machine and as your save progresses, will inevitably lead to some slow down. I have always felt that loading leagues that are never going to provide you with any gems is a waste of processing power, so usually have about 30 leagues loaded with around 65-70k players and that will be sufficient for almost all save types ( particularly if you are playing as a a top team) @FrazT When you say 30 leagues you mean 30 leagues including lower leagues just from some nations? Or 30 main leagues from 30 nations? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, bitzu_rock said: Ok..so i am going to play only with York (6th English tier). Do not want to switch to other team in this save. So...considering this i selected England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Ireland as playable with all their leagues and all players loaded from custom database. Do you think that is good enough to get some good players in the future? Those leagues are great for a lower league english game... I do not see why you would need 170k database for that though... As york you aren't going to be picking up many Brazilian wonderkids anytime soon i don't think.. But it really does come down to your pc specs... what do you have? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcp1417 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 I do wonder what the best thing I can upgrade that will improve speed. Does sim speed rely on the processor, graphics card, or memory? Sorry for my lack of knowledge on computer hardware Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
saihtam Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 I have found the sweet spot near 100k players. I have several big South-America countries as View only, this limits the player count to be too much from them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitzu_rock Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 22 minutes ago, Welshace said: Those leagues are great for a lower league english game... I do not see why you would need 170k database for that though... As york you aren't going to be picking up many Brazilian wonderkids anytime soon i don't think.. But it really does come down to your pc specs... what do you have? System Manufacturer: LENOVO System Model: 80WK BIOS: 4KCN27WW (type: UEFI) Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-7300HQ CPU @ 2.50GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.5GHz Memory: 8192MB RAM Available OS Memory: 8068MB RAM DirectX Version: DirectX 12 Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Manufacturer: NVIDIA Chip type: GeForce GTX 1050 SSD hard disk of 500GB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Ahh thats a fairly decent cpu... you'll find loading 25-30 leagues and a 100k database pretty easy i would have thought Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitzu_rock Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, Welshace said: Ahh thats a fairly decent cpu... you'll find loading 25-30 leagues and a 100k database pretty easy i would have thought 30 leagues or 30 nations? As playable i assume... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Leagues... the premier league down to league one is 3 leagues for example... At the end of the day, there is no right answer, its down to how you judge the game speed... test it out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitzu_rock Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 And if i want to play just in England should i set any other league as playable? Does it help? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitzu_rock Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) Yes i know it is not an exact answer, but i am more curious to see others opinion on how they set the amount of leagues depending in what nation they play and what other nations do they decide to select as playable to get the optimal experience as game speed and number o players... Edited January 17, 2020 by bitzu_rock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 I have a good laptop, and i tend to play with 30 odd leagues and a 180k database and don't see any slow down at all.. but that's my basic standard setup... If i'm playing a lower league english save, say tier 10 ... i will not load up my usual database, as there is no need to include all players from south american, all players from eastern europe etc... so i load up all english leagues, all welsh leagues, all irish leagues and all scottish leagues and then maybe add in a few close neighbours.. say france.. maybe a few scandanavian countries, but they are luxury really, not really needed... If i'm doing a journeyman save, I might load up 60 leagues and a 250k database so i can get jobs in Iceland, Romania etc.... So basically, depending on your preference and pc specs, you find a database size and number of players you are comfortable with and then cater that to the type of save you want... I Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitzu_rock Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 For example does it make sense to upload all the players in a nation form advanced database but set it to View only? Do we benefit from that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Have a look here.., Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitzu_rock Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Welshace said: Have a look here.., Yes red it...but i am not sure if i got my answer...when setting a nation as view only....does it make sense to load all those players from that nation or not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 The reason to put leagues on view only is to help with the game processing .. that league won't be simulated fully... adding players won't slow down the game much at all.. so if you want to add players.. sure go ahead... What it can do in the long run though is create an inbalance in the game over time.. if you have a massive amount of brazilians loaded, your game world will be populated with a massive amount of brazilians etc.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUBI Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 It all depends in the end what kind of speed you expect. A good i5 or i7 processor with 8/16GB RAM can run all leagues (plus custom ones) and up to the full db (about 35k). The saved game will become huge and processing depends on how many leagues are on full detail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitzu_rock Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 I am thinking....if i will play only in England to set other nations as view only but load all players from the UK-Ireland region, Denmark, Sweden, Norway and maybe France...if so...do i get the chance to find more players, even those nations are set as view only? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitzu_rock Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 I mean..that is want i want...optimal game speed, that means all other nations on view only, but also the chance to be presented with more players when searching... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUBI Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 You only need to load all players from a nation if you plan to manage in the lower leagues. If not load all the players with national reputation, but for more nations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitzu_rock Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, KUBI said: You only need to load all players from a nation if you plan to manage in the lower leagues. If not load all the players with national reputation, but for more nations. But if i will progress to upper leagues in time, wouldn't help to have players from other nations loaded? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUBI Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Gerade eben schrieb bitzu_rock: But if i will progress to upper leagues in time, wouldn't help to have players from other nations loaded? If you chose medium or large db most of the players who are interesting are already loaded. So yes, you can load additional by choosing all players from other nations, say from neighborhood countries or for example Brazil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee_Simpson Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Welshace said: I have a good laptop, and i tend to play with 30 odd leagues and a 180k database Doesn't that create an inbalance in your save? With that league vs database size I'm assuming you load lots of extra players? I've read that loading players negatively affects the balance of the game and just loading more leagues keeps things balanced despite the longer processing times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Just now, Gee_Simpson said: Doesn't that create an inbalance in your save? With that league vs database size I'm assuming you load lots of extra players? I've read that loading players negatively affects the balance of the game and just loading more leagues keeps things balanced despite the longer processing times. Yeah it can, but i barely make it past 5 years in a save anyway so I never get affected by it really... the only saves i stay long term are lower league saves so i tend to have smaller databases anyway 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUBI Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 vor 2 Minuten schrieb Gee_Simpson: Doesn't that create an inbalance in your save? With that league vs database size I'm assuming you load lots of extra players? I've read that loading players negatively affects the balance of the game and just loading more leagues keeps things balanced despite the longer processing times. It all depends on how many leagues are active in the game, as view only leagues have a quieter transfer market. The more players the more leagues should be loaded as active. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 3 hours ago, bitzu_rock said: @FrazT When you say 30 leagues you mean 30 leagues including lower leagues just from some nations? Or 30 main leagues from 30 nations? Normally 30 leagues from about 22 nations- I dont load the lower leagues from many countries as I have found that even if you find a real prospect, you cant get a WP for them, if you are playing in the UK 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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