Random Lower League Team Picker

[Brother Ben]

A few days ago I stumbled upon a lower league team picker for FM09 by @the--dud (website now gone ) that I hadn’t seen in years and it got me to thinking about making an up to date one myself

So using my (very) limited spreadsheet and coding skills I have made this

 

LLMPicker20 - Excel Based v4.0

LLMPicker20 - Excel Based v4.0 - Picks Country first

Hit F9 to reload

 

 

Essentially it randomly selects you a team to manage in the lowest league possible from one of the countries available “out of the box” in FM20.

It’s pretty basic but it does what it is supposed to, although it's not without it's quirks as you will see.  (when it first starts loading it shows a random team and then changes to the actual team)  If you give it a few seconds to load then your team will appear.  Also there is a chance that it will load on the wrong page, if this happens just click "Back to main page"

I may well add to it if the demand is there but to be honest it took an age to compile and as I suggested earlier my skills are rather limited.

Over the years there have been many other versions of the Lower League Team Picker not least the original and unrivalled Frank.  More recently there was Paco over at the recently shut down lowerleaguemanager.com (edit - resurrected here - https://lowerleaguemanager.xyz/forum/) which had many more features than my own but was last made for FM15.  And of course not forgetting the one made by The--Dudd I already mentioned (I had a rather good time in Slovakia - a country i'd not managed in before - off the back of using his so big thanks to him)

As the lower league community has slowed in recent years (the dedicated section on this very site was closed a few years back) I hope this team picker will bring back some happy memories for some of the old time LLaMa’s that still frequent this site and for others who have no idea what I’m talking about I hope you can build from a totally random starting point and enjoy an unusual save in a country/league/part of the world that you might not have managed in before whether you decide to follow the LLaMa ethos or not 

If anyone is interested in what the LLaMa way of playing is/was there is an explanation in the spoiler below.  These guidelines were written a long time ago and as such certain parts may no longer apply or be relevant.

 

Spoiler

LLM stands for Lower League Management.

The idea behind LLM is that players of the FM (and CM) series of games attempt to play in the most realistic way possible within the confines of the game.

 

What this means is that the player starts out with a team from the lowest playable league in a given country. Countries with just one league can be considered for LLM only if the standard is not too high (e.g. the Welsh Premier League). In one league countries it is important that the team you choose is not one of the top teams in that league (e.g. TNS in Wales from the previous example), as they are not considered suitably challenging. If in doubt you can always ask FRANK to choose a team for you.

 

Furthermore, the challenge of an LLM game is not to 'win everything', but simply to undertake a career with all the ups and downs that would be expected within the real football world. In fact, many LLMers (commonly called LLaMas) hold those who fail spectacularly in higher regard than those who succeed. If the worst happens and you get sacked, simply apply for another job with another club when one becomes available. Of course, if you do win stuff, that's all good, but it is not the 'point' of the game. You'll find the feeling of satisfaction if you finally do win some silverware or get a hard fought promotion all the greater if you play this way.

 

Advice & Tips

 

Further to this philosophy, real managers do not swap tactics, strategic tips, or give advice to other managers on what players to buy. Therefore it is expressly forbidden for LLMs to share their tactics with anyone else, or to use someone else's tactics, or even to give advice or tips to another manager. Training regimes also fall under this restriction too. Likewise, player naming of any kind is also forbidden (this rule extends to former players too, or even 'not real' players). The reason for this complete ban on naming is due to the 'floodgate' scenario. If a newbie sees a player name, regardless of whether the player is current or made up, they may think that it is ok to name their own players and we get a flood of player naming. The easiest way around this is to forbid any naming.

 

Finding Players

 

Real life managers do not have use of a 'Player Search' button, so this feature of the FM games is not allowed in a LLM game. Instead using scouts is the method you use to discover players. It is not the only way, however - if you play a team where a player kicks ass, then scout him. If you hear a media report about a player and like what you hear, scout him. Send your scouts on missions (using SWYCT - see below). Regardless of how the player came to your attention, no player can be purchased without first having had the once over by your scouts (of course, you do not have to listen to their advice however).

 

Scouting

 

Because most lower league teams do not have the finances to send scouts all over the world, the Scout Where You Can Tour (SWYCT) rule is generally taken as the best way to decide where you can send your scouts. At the beginning of the season you can send your players on a friendly tour. The game restricts where you can go, depending on your level and finances. This is seen as the most realistic way of deciding where you can afford to send your scouts too. Don't worry about the future; as your club becomes bigger or should you get a job at a bigger club, then your touring options will expand to suit. If you are managing a club in Continental Europe, South America or Asia then it is also acceptable to scout countries which border yours.

 

Staff

 

A note on staff: Ideally, the only way to recruit staff would be through the job centre. However, this doesn't actually work at all well (some would say at all), so for staff it is ok to use the staff search feature. However, you should attempt to restrict your searches to staff with equal or lesser reputation than yourself (and again try to use the SWYCT rule when deciding how far afield you can extend your search, although for staff this rule can be relaxed in extremis).

 

The Spawn of Satan

 

Finally, in order to maintain fairness in our games, any use of editors, alterations to the database or third party updates are strictly forbidden. The game must be played as is out of the box, plus any official patches or updates only. I trust this rule needs no explanation as it is fairly obvious that use of such would/could seriously unbalance the game. Graphics or sound add-ons are acceptable as long as they don't change any data in the game itself.

 

Frequently Asked Questions:

 

Q: I've heard some say that you cannot be a part-time LLaMa. Does this mean I cannot play a LLM game if I manage Chelsea (for example) in another save?

 

A: Strictly speaking this is indeed the case - do real managers start at the top? While there are exceptions to this in real-life (e.g. Chris Coleman), it is usually the case that the manager in question was already a top-class professional before being offered a managerial post. Unknowns start at the bottom and thus, so do LLMers. Also, knowledge gained from managing a higher level team can be used to 'cheat' when playing a LLM game and is therefore frowned upon. However, this is a game, and is meant to be fun. Therefore if you feel like trying out the LLM style of play, then feel free to do so. Who knows, you may come to the conclusion, as many of us have, that this style of playing is the ONLY way to play.

 

Q: I can use the internet to look for out of contract players, as can real-life managers. Why can't I use the player search function to simulate this?

 

A: Real life managers use their scouting network. While the scouting system, at present, is not ideal, it is the closest we can get in the game to how it is done in real life. Therefore, in LLM games, this is how we find players. No internet search gives the kind of detail given in the player search, and it is easily open to abuse, therefore LLMs do not use it.

 

Q: It's impossible not to know about players in real-life from the media and such. How can we pretend not to know about them in the game?

 

A: Role play. In the game your manager doesn't know anything about the real world - all his information comes from the gameworld's media. It's perfectly acceptable for your manager to take an interest in a player mentioned by the in-game media. It will be a matter for your conscience if you decide to go for a player you know to be good in real-life that your scouts don't like the look of (plus there is no guarantee that the player will actually be any good in the game). If you truly embrace the LLM way of playing, the choice will be easy

 

Q: I have a third-party update which just contains the latest transfers. Can I use this?

 

A: Unfortunately, no. There is no way to check if the author didn't up the PA, for example, of a player in his favourite/local team, just to give one example. Because of this only official updates are allowed.

 

Q: I find these restrictions really stupid. Who's going to know if I don't actually follow the rules in my game?

 

A: Sometimes people will be able to tell, most times they won't. It doesn't really matter at the end of the day - it's your game. You don't have to play this way, but if you wish to play the LLM way, then you'll WANT to abide by these guidelines and rules. In fact, if you 'get it' you won't need anyone else telling you what the rules are, you'll just naturally play that way. Further, you won't find any LLMs giving you more than a mild pat on the back for getting promotion 3 successive seasons running and winning the FA CUP with Workington (if not outright ridicule for obviously cheating your little ass off). In fact you're more likely to get higher praise for getting knocked out in the first round of every cup you enter and being relegated two seasons running and being sacked. Such is LLM.

 

Q: I've played six seasons with my (crap LL team) and have had an offer from Everton/England/other to manage them. Can I?

 

A: If you feel it's realistic to do so. If you've had phenomenal success (relatively) with your team, then certainly. LLM isn't about solely managing lower-league teams, it's just a starting point and an ethos. Success, if deserved, is perfectly acceptable. Obviously, if you've barely staved off relegation for the third successive season, then it would be unrealistic to get these offers, so you should bite the bullet and turn them down. Remember, in the final analysis, you are the ultimate arbiter of what is fair and right in your game. Part of the LLM ethos is that you will not exploit quirks of the game engine, silly things the game throws up which would be unrealistic or other loopholes to gain an unfair advantage. You play LLM because you want as realistic a game experience as the game will allow and it is entirely down to you to maintain the integrity of your own game.

Many newbies to LLM often complain that the LLM rules are too strict, when they are actually referring to the guidelines. The guidelines are exactly that; a broad outline of what types of things are considered acceptable in an LLM game and used as a reference point for one's own game. Some of the guidelines are so integral to LLM however, that they should be considered 'rules', such as those on cheating, for example.

 

The most important thing about LLM is the ethos; the way one plays the game. If a player desires to play the game as realistically as possible, within the framework of the game, then the guidelines can be used to guide them in areas where the game allows more scope than real-life managers have. Further, in order to play in the spirit of LLM, the player makes a personal commitment not to take advantage of any quirks, bugs or loopholes in order to gain an advantage within the game. These personal ethical considerations apply to you, the player, and it is up to each individual to maintain their own game's integrity.

 

Some critics of LLM often try to undermine these 'ethical considerations' by stating that real-life managers often use underhand, unethical tactics in order to gain whatever advantage they can over other teams/managers. This is an entirely different thing. You, the player, are a different 'entity' to the 'character' you play within the game. Within the game world if SI have given us a means to replicate this 'unethical' behaviour then it is perfectly acceptable. However, as player tapping up (beyond 'Declaring an interest'), bungs and other such unethical behaviour is not modelled in the game at present then this cannot be used as a justification for players trying to get around the guidelines in order to give themselves an advantage.

 

It's important to remember though, most of these guidelines shouldn't be regarded as 'rules' - they are there to help you in areas where the game allows more scope than reality - YOU are the final judge of what is realistic in your game. Let your conscience be your guide.

 

No Cheating

Although technically a guideline, this is so integral to LLM that it can be considered an absolute hard-and-fast 'rule'. Think of these as guidelines to this rule.

 

There follows a list of some of the things considered 'cheating' in LLM, but the maxim "If you have to ask if you're cheating then you very probably are" is a pertinent one and should be borne in mind whenever there is confusion over what is and isn't considered cheating

Using other people's tactics or training schedules.
The tactics and training schedules you use should be entirely your own work. Real-life managers do not give tactical advice to each other. Further, the point of LLM is in doing things yourself and getting tactical or training advice from tactical forums (or downloading same) is considered unethical and against the spirit of LLM.

Getting advice on which players to buy from anywhere outside the gameworld.
Real-life managers use their scouts, who in turn use their network to discover players. No real-life manager has access to a higher dimensional all-knowing 'player forum' where every detail of every player can be revealed and passed down to them. It simply isn't realistic, ethical or justifiable. It's cheating, plain and simple. With the added bonus of being able to ask players for recommendations in FM'07, this negates the 'need' to use outside advice to find players even more.

Use of editors or any utility designed to display more information than that which the game provides.
If a real-life manager could create themselves a wonderkid with god-like tools or give themselves a mega-rich sugar daddy and millions of pounds, I'm sure they would. But they can't, so doing the same is also forbidden to LLM players. This is discussed elsewhere so it should go without saying that there is no justification for using any editor or 'god-like' viewing tool.

Quitting the game without saving.
A real life manager cannot quit the game, without saving, after losing a match and therefore neither should we.

Using quirks of the AI, loopholes, bugs and/or strange things the game throws up to gain an unfair advantage.
You play this way because you want to play the game realistically, without cheating - so you should be able to recognise when something doesn't look/feel right (e.g. being offered an International job when your reputation doesn't warrant it, or making use of some kind of 'bug' as an infallible way of winning games or getting goals...). As always, let your conscience be your guide.

Scouting and the Player Search function.

Despite the oft-used justification that managers use internet searches and the like in order to find out-of-contract or transfer listed players, none of these methods provide anywhere near as much information, flexibility or are as exhaustive as the Player Search function. It is so easily open to abuse that, after enormous amounts of debate, it has been concluded that this method is too easily used to 'cheat' and gain unfair advantage and therefore should not be used.

 

In the real footballing world, scouts are extremely important to any club and the guidelines on scouting are there in order to replicate this, including the difficulties with 'crap' scouts or not having any at all. There are a number of methods of finding players to scout and these and other issues relating to scouting are discussed in the FAQ thread. With the addition of being able to ask players and other staff for recommendations in FM'07, this is even more the case.

 

There are, however, more ways to discover players than solely from your scout's searches:

In-game media news items (including player of the month, top scorer charts, etc.) - if a player is mentioned in the in-game media you can send a scout to have a look at them. Players are advised to use their discretion when utilising in-game charts to highlight players to scout - while top-scorer charts are considered realistic, there are no such real-world analogues of the average-rating chart, for example (and no, the Sun's ratings don't count before you ask...).

When playing a team, if an opposition player plays well against you, then it would be acceptable to send a scout to find out more about them.

Recommendations from your own players and staff.

Some less zealous LLaMas may use the player search screen sparingly in emergencies to find transfer listed or 'available for loan' players, but generally, beyond the first season especially, the search screen should not be used - let your scouts do the job they are paid for. If, in a dire emergency, you feel you must use this screen, ensure that it is filtered realistically (e.g. no attribute searches).

In all cases the player should be given the once over by your scouts before making an offer, unless...

 

If a player has been released from his contract and you are unable to scout them, it is acceptable to invite them for a trial and have your Assistant Manager or coaches look them over.

 

3rd party updates

While the makers of these updates may intend to make them as accurate as possible, there is no way to ensure that this is the case. Therefore, in order to ensure that the integrity of our games is maintained only official SI updates are considered acceptable (with or without transfers).

 

Staff Search limitations

As per the SWYCT/SYB guideline, there are no in-game restrictions to replicate the realistic limitations real clubs have, financially or otherwise, in attracting staff to their club, so these guidelines are used to give us some idea of what would be within the bounds of realism.

 

The job centre should provide a reasonably realistic list of candidates, so these guidelines are now largely redundant.

Feel free to download and tinker with the Excel version, in fact it works better if you download it

Good luck and happy travels, let me know how you get on  

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Excel Version history

Spoiler

v1.1

Added suggested additional leagues

v2.2

Links to league info added 

moved to excel online for increased functionality

v2.3

Small formula error corrected

added offline copy link 

v3.3

Ability to pick via nation

v4.0

Massive update graphically

Added alternative version that finds random country first

 

 

 

Web-Based version history

Spoiler

v1.0

Added a Llama

v1.1

amended teams as some were changed by the latest patch

 

Ongoing Updates

 

FM20

LLMPicker20 - Web Based v1.0 

Now with Club Culture!

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FM21- I made an LLM website!

LLMPicker21 - Full Release

You can now pick via the following

- Straight up picker

- By Nation

- By club culture/vision

- Status (Pro/semi pro/amateur)

- Stadium Capacity

- And much, much more...... 

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FM22

LLMPicker22

Grey Llama - Random Picker - Done

Red Llama - Culture Picker -Done

Blue Llama - Criteria Picker - Done

 

FM23

LLMPicker23

Llamas updated

*New for FM23* - Supporter expectations

 

Edited February 2, 2023 by Brother Ben
Ongoing Updates

[JordanMilly]

Very nice, cheers!

[thehig2]

Just incase people arnt aware its an option starting unemployed is a good option which achieves the same goal more organically as you get your chance at a club once a manager has left or been sacked

[Brother Ben]

7 minutes ago, thehig2 said:

Just incase people arnt aware its an option starting unemployed is a good option which achieves the same goal more organically as you get your chance at a club once a manager has left or been sacked

I mean yeah, if you load all leagues that could work

you could also maybe use this to just pick the country to manage in and maybe use my suggestions for leagues to complement it

[Hovis Dexter]

This is really great and the suggested complementary leagues are the icing on the cake

[Welshace]

Does it not randomise a team everytime you click it? i'm only getting one team everytime i load it 

 

Nvm...  didn't read OP's whole post... ignore me.

[Brother Ben]

On 18/01/2020 at 10:57, Hovis Dexter said:

This is really great and the suggested complementary leagues are the icing on the cake

Cheers Hovis

Yeah wanted to make it a little different to what's been done before and it's a question a lot of people ask when starting a new game

[anagain]

Fantastic work. I really like the extra little text below the team picked.

There used to be a great Llama website, but I can't find anything in Google now so I guess it disappeared.

[Hovis Dexter]

8 minutes ago, anagain said:

Fantastic work. I really like the extra little text below the team picked.

There used to be a great Llama website, but I can't find anything in Google now so I guess it disappeared.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was www.lowerleaguemanager.com but, as you say, it's no longer accessible.

[Brother Ben]

20 hours ago, anagain said:

Fantastic work. I really like the extra little text below the team picked.

There used to be a great Llama website, but I can't find anything in Google now so I guess it disappeared.

Cheers anagain, it's only a simple tool, hope it might get a save or two started for some people

20 hours ago, Hovis Dexter said:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was www.lowerleaguemanager.com but, as you say, it's no longer accessible.

Yeah that's the one, was really good.  They did some great write ups on the leagues and their team picker "Paco" was really good too

I've updated the OP to the latest version

v2.2

Links to league info added (you may need to allow popups for Microsoft sites for this to work)

moved to excel online for increased functionality

v2.3

Small formula error corrected

Offline copy link added

 

Edited January 21, 2020 by Brother Ben

[anagain]

54 minutes ago, Brother Ben said:

Cheers anagain, it's only a simple tool, hope it might get a save or two started for some people

If you haven't already post it over on the FottballManagerGames sub reddit. They might put it on the sidebar or sticky it.

At the least, it will open your tool up to a wider audience that might not visit these forums.

[Brother Ben]

10 minutes ago, anagain said:

If you haven't already post it over on the FottballManagerGames sub reddit. They might put it on the sidebar or sticky it.

At the least, it will open your tool up to a wider audience that might not visit these forums.

Good idea, it could disappear quite quickly on here.

What do you think of the additions?

Edited January 21, 2020 by Brother Ben

[Hovis Dexter]

When I downloaded the latest version it opened on the countries tab. I don't know if that was just me but I wonder if you would want to re-upload the file so that it defaults to to the picker tab so that people aren't confused

I do like the links on the countries tab.

[anagain]

29 minutes ago, Brother Ben said:

Good idea, it could disappear quite quickly on here.

What do you think of the additions?

Great. Like Hovis Dexter though, it opened the tool on the countries tab. Took me a moment to realise there was another tab with the random tool on it.

I like the links to league info and the idea to have a link to areas.

Might I suggest combining the two tabs in to one main tab. At the top of the screen have a link to the random picker for the whole of the simulated leagues, or just have the picker with a reload button. Below that have the individual area buttons, but maybe have the top half of a button link to wiki and the bottom half be a random picker for just that league. Is that possible?

Just an idea though. It's your hard work and you've done great.

 

Would definitely be good posted over in the Good Player and Team Guide sub forum. Whilst it might get buried in General Discussion it hopefully will be saved for the future over there.

Edited January 21, 2020 by anagain

[Brother Ben]

16 minutes ago, Hovis Dexter said:

When I downloaded the latest version it opened on the countries tab. I don't know if that was just me but I wonder if you would want to re-upload the file so that it defaults to to the picker tab so that people aren't confused

I do like the links on the countries tab.

Try it now

[Brother Ben]

21 minutes ago, anagain said:

Great. Like Hovis Dexter though, it opened the tool on the countries tab. Took me a moment to realise there was another tab with the random tool on it.

I like the links to league info and the idea to have a link to areas.

Might I suggest combining the two tabs in to one main tab. At the top of the screen have a link to the random picker for the whole of the simulated leagues, or just have the picker with a reload button. Below that have the individual area buttons, but maybe have the top half of a button link to wiki and the bottom half be a random picker for just that league. Is that possible?

Just an idea though. It's your hard work and you've done great.

Yeah ideally I wanted to be able to have it completely random and also to click a country and randomise within that country but the logistics of it has escaped me

Again the reload button is awkward to put in and F5 does the same thing really, maybe i'll write that in there somewhere

You've basically described exactly what i'm aiming to get to but the limitations of excel and my own knowledge have prevented it, I dare say the way I've chosen to set it up initially has hamstrung me moving forward

You never know though, i'm always trying to learn new stuff and having a better understanding of excel will actually help with my job

Also the link to the file is there so if anyone with a better knowledge than myself wants to take up the task, any help would be more than welcome, the hardest part is collating the data and the time it takes.  It's all there in the offline version so maybe someone can manipulate it a bit better or make a web based version like the--dud, I don't know

Edited January 21, 2020 by Brother Ben

[Hovis Dexter]

23 minutes ago, Brother Ben said:

Try it now

[Hovis Dexter]

26 minutes ago, Brother Ben said:

... Again the reload button is awkward to put in and F5 does the same thing really, maybe i'll write that in there somewhere ...

Isn't it F9 ?

[kingjericho]

Suggested leagues is a nice touch  

[Brother Ben]

8 minutes ago, Hovis Dexter said:

Isn't it F9 ?

Yep thats the one !

[anagain]

Great stuff. Look real polished now.

[ajt]

What a great idea will use it for my next save!

[XaW]

On 20/01/2020 at 19:19, anagain said:

Fantastic work. I really like the extra little text below the team picked.

There used to be a great Llama website, but I can't find anything in Google now so I guess it disappeared.

Wasn't it Frank the Llama?

[anagain]

3 minutes ago, XaW said:

Wasn't it Frank the Llama?

Ahh Frank. I recall the LLama bit. Shame the sub forum on here rather died.

Found a section on fminside. https://fminside.net/guide-lower-league-management/

Edited January 21, 2020 by anagain

[Brother Ben]

17 hours ago, anagain said:

Ahh Frank. I recall the LLama bit. Shame the sub forum on here rather died.

Found a section on fminside. https://fminside.net/guide-lower-league-management/

Lots of tipping in there which kind of goes against the ethos but at least it lays out the other guidelines fairly well

[Earnie is God!]

An excellent little tool, thanks!

[Brother Ben]

Working on a few things for this in FM21, planning to put in predicted league finish and links to directly pick a country and some general aesthetic changes

Hopefully this will evolve over time.  Thanks for the support

[LOVEFMyeah]

Hello friends,

 

Excellent, i agree with this topic !

I like to start my games like these !

[SWFC4eva]

LowerLeagueManager has been resurrected at a new address. It can now be found at lowerleaguemanager.xyz/forum

[Brother Ben]

Little update, added the ability to pick the nation you wish to manage in

 

Edited July 15, 2020 by Brother Ben

[Brother Ben]

Version 4 released

Major update to the UI and an alternative version added too, it's basically the same but it gives you the the nation first

Lower League Manager Random Team Picker 2020 - LLMPicker20 v4.0

Lower League Manager Random Team Picker 2020 - LLMPicker20 v4.0 - Alternative Version

[Brother Ben]

Version 1 of a brand new web based version that works okay(ish) on mobiles.

It's a work in progress so i'm constantly looking to update it and will do so for FM21

 

LLMPicker20 - Web Based v1.0

[XaW]

Great job, @Brother Ben! I gave it a whirl to see how it worked, and I got Chicago Fire in the MLS. Not sure if MLS is lower league....? I clicked it a bunch of other times and then I got various teams that are more suitable. Just thought I'd mention it!

[Brother Ben]

3 minutes ago, XaW said:

Great job, @Brother Ben! I gave it a whirl to see how it worked, and I got Chicago Fire in the MLS. Not sure if MLS is lower league....? I clicked it a bunch of other times and then I got various teams that are more suitable. Just thought I'd mention it!

It's just the lowest possible league in all the available countries. 

I know what you mean though, a lot of Llamas would avoid USA and Australia really but I didn't want to leave them out.  I think the smaller teams in those leagues might be fair game but it's up to the individual I guess.

I'm working on a version that tells you the media prediction and/or board expectation for each team so you can make your own judgement and it can act as a difficulty level of sorts

Cheers for the feedback  

[Brother Ben]

The web based version now has a Llama as a mascot but he/she doesn't yet have a name, I wonder if any of you good people can think of one? Maybe based around LLM or Something like that.  I may even just use the picker and call him by whichever team comes up first.

The "Picker" itself will be renamed to this as well so get your thinking caps on

[XaW]

53 minutes ago, Brother Ben said:

It's just the lowest possible league in all the available countries. 

I know what you mean though, a lot of Llamas would avoid USA and Australia really but I didn't want to leave them out.  I think the smaller teams in those leagues might be fair game but it's up to the individual I guess.

I'm working on a version that tells you the media prediction and/or board expectation for each team so you can make your own judgement and it can act as a difficulty level of sorts

Cheers for the feedback  

Yeah, I assumed as much. Just a thought I wanted to share. Looking forward to seeing the newer versions. Let me know if I can help out in any way.

24 minutes ago, Brother Ben said:

The web based version now has a Llama as a mascot but he/she doesn't yet have a name, I wonder if any of you good people can think of one? Maybe based around LLM or Something like that.  I may even just use the picker and call him by whichever team comes up first.

The "Picker" itself will be renamed to this as well so get your thinking caps on

Ohh, is Frank back? The old one, back in the day, used to be called that. So perhaps something that calls back to it?

[Brother Ben]

@XaW I'm just seeing what I can do with coding at the minute, this is the first time I've ever tried it.  Pretty heavy going to be fair but interesting stuff.  I've got some ideas for it but I think i'll wait till FM21 for a lot of it.  Cheers for the offer 

Nah this guy ain't Frank, nobody can rival Frank.  This will be a tribute of sorts

[XaW]

3 minutes ago, Brother Ben said:

@XaW I'm just seeing what I can do with coding at the minute, this is the first time I've ever tried it.  Pretty heavy going to be fair but interesting stuff.  I've got some ideas for it but I think i'll wait till FM21 for a lot of it.  Cheers for the offer 

Nah this guy ain't Frank, nobody can rival Frank.  This will be a tribute of sorts

No worries!

So no Frank jr?

[Brother Ben]

58 minutes ago, XaW said:

No worries!

So no Frank jr?

Tell you what, click the button and we’ll call it some variation of what comes out 

[XaW]

6 minutes ago, Brother Ben said:

Tell you what, click the button and we’ll call it some variation of what comes out 

Not the easiest one!

[Brother Ben]

Siena - the first female llama picker?

[Earnie is God!]

Is there a significance with the two Llama options?

[Brother Ben]

56 minutes ago, Earnie is God! said:

Is there a significance with the two Llama options?

Good question, I couldn't possibly tell you though as it adds to the mystique 

To be fair i'm hoping they will become a theme, i'm looking to turn it into a proper website where they will both have personalities.

The long term goals will be to expand on what the excel version does, whereby you get your team and then you go to another page that explains the rules for that league (number of foreign players, league structure etc) and the recommended complementary leagues to run alongside it.  

Maybe in future one of the Llamas will give you teams predicted top half and the other bottom half, a difficulty level of sorts.

[Earnie is God!]

Or maybe East and West, like a Llama Iron Curtain or something

[Brother Ben]

Club Vision/Culture Picker added to the web based version.

It's a little long winded and there's quite a lot of options but it is cool to have a tinker with

When researching this i've noticed there are some nations where this is empty, my guess is that it's because its a new feature and not all researchers have fully explored it, hopefully it will be more fleshed out for FM21

Edited September 5, 2020 by Brother Ben

[Earnie is God!]

Thought I'd give this another go and I've given myself a few different options. Mostly ended up with Czech 2nd division sides: Vlasim, Brno, Lisen or Viktoria Zizkov.
Although also have Taftea in Sweden, Real Union in Spain or Kaiserslautern in the German 3rd division.

The Germans probably interest me the most due to their history. Hmm, plenty to ponder.

Thanks again for this wonderful site

[Earnie is God!]

[Brother Ben]

Good challenge, plenty of history there

Good luck!

[Brother Ben]

FM21 Picker added.  Very basic for the moment but plans are afoot!

Edited November 21, 2020 by Brother Ben

[Brother Ben]

Coming soon

Ability to pick a team by

• Reputation
• Stadium Size
• Club Culture

And more...

No ETA yet but i'm working on it at the moment so watch this space