Guest Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Like the title said, I want to know what is a progressive possesion style, and what is the difference between the progressive vs a normal possesion style. Also I would like ways to approach it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Experienced Defender Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Given that I coined the term, I feel obliged to explain it. Actually, it's pretty simple - the style combines elements of classic (patient) possession football with a bit faster attacking styles. So it basically uses possession-oriented football as its basis, but is more concrete and adventurous in the attacking phase. It also looks to dominate and control the play, but is not obsessed with possession for the sake of it. 6 hours ago, Vinay17 said: Also I would like ways to approach it I think the easiest way to help you understand it is to show you one example of a typical patient possession tactic and then one of a progressive possession tactic, so that you could immediate see where the key differences are. So if this is a patient possession setup of roles and duties: DLFsu IFat IWsu BBM DLPsu DMde WBsu CDde CDde FBat GK/SKde Then this can be a progressive possession setup of roles and duties: F9/TQ IFat Wsu DLPsu MEZat HB WBsu CDde BPDde IWBsu SKsu Let's now go to instructions... If these are instructions for a patient possession tactic: Mentality - Balanced (or Positive) in possession - play out of defence, shorter/much shorter passing and work ball into box In transition - counter-press, distribute to CBs Out of possession - higher/much higher DL, higher/much higher LOE, prevent short GKD and offside trap Then these are instructions for a progressive possession tactic (based on the related above setup of roles and duties): Mentality - Positive (exclusively) In possession - play out of defence, shorter passing, be more expressive, work ball into box, overlap left (and sometimes a bit higher tempo can be used as an option) In transition - nothing (occasional options: counter and/or counter-press) Out of possession - higher DL, standard LOE and offside trap (only if both CBs are on defend duty) And the split block via player instructions. If you have any additional questions, you are welcome 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzevedoVCD Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 what is split block? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Experienced Defender Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, AzevedoVCD said: what is split block? When you tell your 3-5 most advanced players to close down more in their player instructions, while leaving the team pressing urgency on default. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obaaa Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Experienced Defender said: Given that I coined the term You coined the term progressive possession? Is this not a philosophy used widely across real-life football? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Experienced Defender Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, Obaaa said: You coined the term progressive possession? Is this not a philosophy used widely across real-life football? I think I was first to mention it on this forum. Is it used in real-life football? It is, but I haven't heard anyone calling it thus. Of course, I might be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzevedoVCD Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 6 hours ago, Experienced Defender said: Then this can be a progressive possession setup of roles and duties: F9/TQ IFat Wsu DLPsu MEZat HB WBsu CDde BPDde IWBsu Then these are instructions for a progressive possession tactic (based on the related above setup of roles and duties): Mentality - Positive (exclusively) In possession - play out of defence, shorter passing, be more expressive, work ball into box, overlap left (and sometimes a bit higher tempo can be used as an option) In transition - nothing (occasional options: counter and/or counter-press) Out of possession - higher DL, standard LOE and offside trap (only if both CBs are on defend duty) And the split block via player instructions. If you have any additional questions, you are welcome What changes do you recommend in this tactic against stronger teams? Sorry for invade this post! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Experienced Defender Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, AzevedoVCD said: What changes do you recommend in this tactic against stronger teams? First off, you should not use a tactic like this (progressive possession) if you yourself are not a strong team already. Speaking specifically of the tactic above, what I would probably tweak when playing against another strong team is: - change the AML into IF on support (instead of attack) - change the striker's duty into attack (the role would depend on the type of the player) - and tone the split block down a bit (with only the striker and mezzala told to close down more) Other possible changes (if needed) would be only in-match tweaks (would depend on what I observe watching the match). 1 hour ago, AzevedoVCD said: Sorry for invade this post! It's okay, because you haven't gone off topic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzevedoVCD Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Experienced Defender said: First off, you should not use a tactic like this (progressive possession) if you yourself are not a strong team already. Speaking specifically of the tactic above, what I would probably tweak when playing against another strong team is: - change the AML into IF on support (instead of attack) - change the striker's duty into attack (the role would depend on the type of the player) - and tone the split block down a bit (with only the striker and mezzala told to close down more) Other possible changes (if needed) would be only in-match tweaks (would depend on what I observe watching the match). I am managing SL Benfica and i am one of the stronger teams on my championship. But i have a young squad and im using this training schedules - sometimes my players miss clear goals chances. i dominate most matches but my players miss too much EDIT: i open a new topic for my last question Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 15 hours ago, Experienced Defender said: Given that I coined the term, I feel obliged to explain it. Actually, it's pretty simple - the style combines elements of classic (patient) possession football with a bit faster attacking styles. So it basically uses possession-oriented football as its basis, but is more concrete and adventurous in the attacking phase. It also looks to dominate and control the play, but is not obsessed with possession for the sake of it. I think the easiest way to help you understand it is to show you one example of a typical patient possession tactic and then one of a progressive possession tactic, so that you could immediate see where the key differences are. So if this is a patient possession setup of roles and duties: DLFsu IFat IWsu BBM DLPsu DMde WBsu CDde CDde FBat GK/SKde Then this can be a progressive possession setup of roles and duties: F9/TQ IFat Wsu DLPsu MEZat HB WBsu CDde BPDde IWBsu SKsu Let's now go to instructions... If these are instructions for a patient possession tactic: Mentality - Balanced (or Positive) in possession - play out of defence, shorter/much shorter passing and work ball into box In transition - counter-press, distribute to CBs Out of possession - higher/much higher DL, higher/much higher LOE, prevent short GKD and offside trap Then these are instructions for a progressive possession tactic (based on the related above setup of roles and duties): Mentality - Positive (exclusively) In possession - play out of defence, shorter passing, be more expressive, work ball into box, overlap left (and sometimes a bit higher tempo can be used as an option) In transition - nothing (occasional options: counter and/or counter-press) Out of possession - higher DL, standard LOE and offside trap (only if both CBs are on defend duty) And the split block via player instructions. If you have any additional questions, you are welcome Thank you @Experienced Defender for the reply, I think I have been playing a progressive possesion without knowing what it was. Another question when you play a progressive possesion tactic you always look to finish the chance with a cross? because that is what is happening on my matches, all my chances end up with a pass to the flank, a cross and most of the times end with a corner, thats not what I am looking for, even that I am playing with a IF on the left and a IW on the right I dont see any through ball by my playmakers, my main assistant are my WB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Experienced Defender Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 7 hours ago, Vinay17 said: Another question when you play a progressive possesion tactic you always look to finish the chance with a cross? No. Crosses will normally happen, but they are not directly tied to progressive possession football. How a certain tactic will play out also depends on characteristics of players playing it as well as the opposition manner of defending. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuomo10 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 21 hours ago, Experienced Defender said: I think I was first to mention it on this forum. Is it used in real-life football? It is, but I haven't heard anyone calling it thus. Of course, I might be wrong. Wow, lol. You're joking, right? 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Experienced Defender Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Cuomo10 said: Wow, lol. You're joking, right? Okay, I am joking. So let's now stop derailing the thread, because what the OP asked about has nothing to with this trivial mind game. Otherwise I'll have to start removing this kind of irrelevant comments, including mine own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 8 hours ago, Experienced Defender said: No. Crosses will normally happen, but they are not directly tied to progressive possession football. How a certain tactic will play out also depends on characteristics of players playing it as well as the opposition manner of defending. Let me show you with some examples what I am trying to do and the football I want 1st Image: Clearly my DM (playing as a HB) has the ball but he have no intention to play the pass that I am pointing, instead he will move the ball to the other flank o play again with number 8. 2nd Image: In the second example I am expecting my MEZZat (32) to play a one-two with my F9su (99), even that both have one-two traits. But that didnt happen Maybe are my TI or my PI but I dont really see this plays on the ME, thats why I am asking how to achieve because maybe I am doing something wrong and I dont know how to create this chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Experienced Defender Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Vinay17 said: Let me show you with some examples what I am trying to do and the football I want 1st Image: Clearly my DM (playing as a HB) has the ball but he have no intention to play the pass that I am pointing, instead he will move the ball to the other flank o play again with number 8. 2nd Image: In the second example I am expecting my MEZZat (32) to play a one-two with my F9su (99), even that both have one-two traits. But that didnt happen Maybe are my TI or my PI but I dont really see this plays on the ME, thats why I am asking how to achieve because maybe I am doing something wrong and I dont know how to create this chances. I don't know what I am supposed to answer on that. Players do not necessarily do what you expect from them in any given situation. In real-life football, a manager can shout to a player "pass the ball to this or that teammate", but in FM such kind of micro-management is unfortunately not possible. Maybe your player has poor or insufficient vision, or decisions, or anticipation... maybe his passing is not good enough, so he opted for a safer option. I don't know, just guessing. You initially asked what is a progressive possession style, and I explained. I did not see your tactic, nor do I know your players. And on top of that, I did not say that you should play progressive possession with a team like Bologna. Maybe they are good enough to play such a style, but I cannot know that. By the way, I see that you had a good result in both matches from the screenshots - 1-0 against Athletic and 3-0 against Cagliari. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3LionsFM Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 On 23/03/2020 at 11:26, Experienced Defender said: Then these are instructions for a progressive possession tactic (based on the related above setup of roles and duties): Mentality - Positive (exclusively) In possession - play out of defence, shorter passing, be more expressive, work ball into box, overlap left (and sometimes a bit higher tempo can be used as an option) In transition - nothing (occasional options: counter and/or counter-press) Out of possession - higher DL, standard LOE and offside trap (only if both CBs are on defend duty) And the split block via player instructions. If you have any additional questions, you are welcome Hi @Experienced Defender. How would you look to utilise 2 IWB's? Here's my current setup. W(s) DLF(a) W(s) DLP(s) MEZ(a) HB(d) IWB(s) CD(d) BPD(d) IWB(s) SK(s) I'm using your suggested tactical instructions for the progressive possession. My idea is for the wingers to stay wide while the wing backs cut inside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Experienced Defender Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 5 hours ago, 3LionsFM said: Hi @Experienced Defender. How would you look to utilise 2 IWB's? Here's my current setup. W(s) DLF(a) W(s) DLP(s) MEZ(a) HB(d) IWB(s) CD(d) BPD(d) IWB(s) SK(s) I'm using your suggested tactical instructions for the progressive possession. My idea is for the wingers to stay wide while the wing backs cut inside. The problem is, if you want to play progressive possession - or any style of football, for that matter - you cannot just copy-paste the instructions. You also need to set up roles and duties properly and suitably for that particular style. And last but not least - to have suitable players. Anyway, if you want more specific advice on your tactic, please start a separate thread. You can also tag me in that new thread if you want to hear from me personally (although I regularly visit all threads in which people ask for tactical help). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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