srvngrc Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 saat önce, enigmatic said: I mean, they did... Sorry but where is it? I didn't see any solution for shots from narrow angles. Wide players are still waiting for opponents to come and touch the ball. Transfer issues still there. AI tactics are still far from having any intellegence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppicat Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 On 12/10/2020 at 23:45, ChelseaSince86 said: Actually liked the video but I hope to christ the "you opened your arms widely and improved body language" bit is not something we have to choose, before then having to choose conversation responses. Choose how to welcome the player etc. Not keen on that, at all Will buy it ahead of release no doubt, as I do every year. Better take up those yoga classes if you want to succeed in the next version of FM. :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juego de Posicion Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 I won’t be buying the game. It looks like there has been no changes to tactics. Saw a screenshot of the FM21 tactics creator on the Football Manager official Twitter account and apart from an updated description of Defensive Width, there is nothing new. Really POOR effort by SI if this is the case. Disgusting for such an important part of the game. Stuck in last century when it comes to tactics and struggling big time to keep up with modern tactical innovations and particularly a really big ignorance on the complexity of modern defensive schemes. Sadly, FM is now largely seen by many tactical enthusiasts as a “backwards” game when it comes to tactics, essentially the football management game equivalent of being a “climate change denier” or “anti-vaxxer”. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prej Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 20 minutes ago, Juego de Posicion said: Sadly, FM is now largely seen by many tactical enthusiasts as a “backwards” game when it comes to tactics, essentially the football management game equivalent of being a “climate change denier” or “anti-vaxxer”. Care to quote someone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Jef- Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Anyway, does anyone know if I can buy the game from Shopto and activate it in EU(Croatia)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freakiie Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 10 hours ago, rosque said: Anyway, does anyone know if I can buy the game from Shopto and activate it in EU(Croatia)? Couldn't resist the 30€ offer and snatched it up, activated just fine for me in the Netherlands so you should be good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dagenham_Dave Posted October 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2020 11 hours ago, Juego de Posicion said: Really POOR effort by SI if this is the case. Disgusting for such an important part of the game. Stuck in last century when it comes to tactics and struggling big time to keep up with modern tactical innovations and particularly a really big ignorance on the complexity of modern defensive schemes. Please name me a football management sim with more tactical depth than what FM gives you. I'll wait. The AI needs to be improved exponentially before tactics can go as in-depth as some people seem to crave. 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Jef- Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 46 minutes ago, Freakiie said: Couldn't resist the 30€ offer and snatched it up, activated just fine for me in the Netherlands so you should be good. Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseaSince86 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 14 hours ago, coppicat said: Better take up those yoga classes if you want to succeed in the next version of FM. :-) Once i start playing i think the body language stuff will grow on me, i just hope on Miles' twitter the vote ends with traditional handshakes winning and not changing the language to covid conditions "elbow bump" etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Guys, please just stick to the topic and lets not have another discussion about this mod. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagenham_Dave Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, FrazT said: Guys, please just stick to the topic and lets not have another discussion about this mod. Apologies chief, I'll delete my last post on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButchertheBaker Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 Longtime lurker first time poster here (been playing since FM15.) In regards to buying FM21, I will. Despite my frustrations with some of the aspects of the game, I still get immense joy and replayibility out of it. Some, rather lengthy, thoughts about the new features: - I'm a huge fan of RPG games so I'm looking forward to the new focus on interviews, meetings, and interactions and having them feel more "real". It seems this will help a lot with immersion; I don't mind doing interviews so having it more of an engaging process will help the matchday and club atmosphere. - I love the little details like when you talk to a player about a new contract the agent and director of football are now in the room as well. I also appreciate that the background is now a boardroom backdrop rather than a static text box. I love talking to players (priasing them for training, warning about form, etc.) so this will, again, help with immersion and make it feel like I'm running a team. - The UI has seen some immense improvements in the last couple years. The tactic screen especially is much more intuitive. Looking forward to seeing how '21 has improved off of '19 and '20. -I'm a sucker for advanced stats and the new xG stat has me super excited. I think this will help a lot to find out what isn't working with a tactic (a point I'll get to later.) Also, I believe I saw something where when you have a scouting meeting you can send out your scouts to find players with specific analyst reports, like key passes, key tackles, chances created, etc.. This is such a welcome addition; I'd love to see more recruiting teasers as we get closer and when the game comes out I hope we get even more advanced stats to browse through. (Fair warning that I saw this feature in one of the teasers and it was only on screen for a moment so I may be mis-interpreting what I saw.) -Now on to tactics. One thing I would love so see SI do more of is help with understanding tactics. My tactical knowledge is limited, which can lead to a lot of frustrations, but I would love to study more and find out why my tactic isn't working. Like many, I have had frustrations with the FM20 match engine, but in my case it's with my own ignorance when it comes to more advanced tactical strategies. I'd love to have a huge positional guide that I can read through and really get a handle on a duties and roles; the game now only has a little blurb and doesn't really explain how positions interact with each other. The game (specifically FM20) can get boring because it feels like I have to default to the 4-3-3 wide gegenpress with elite teams because that's the only way I can get results. For example, I'd like to try out a style where I sit back patiently but hit back hard on the counter (not dissimilar from the Leicester teams with Vardy) but it can be difficult for me to descern what exactly the tactic creator is doing and how to recreate what I have in my head. I want to play patient defensively but high tempo offensively and I have no idea how to achieve that because I'm not sure how the tactic/position instructions work and engage with each other. I would love to learn and discover how I can create more intriciate systems, rathern than picking a preset tactic or simply downloading a tactic and playing with Barcelona or Liverpool. -On that note, it would be awesome to see SI become more engaged with their YouTube channel about tactics and positions and how the game works. I've been to their channel but there is only game trailers and teasers. What if we got in-depth tactical analysis* videos like ("how to build a team using a 3-5-2" or "how to develop your youth team" or "breaking down the difference between a roaming playmaker and an advanced playmaker"). I think this would help a lot with people who aren't necessarily beginners, but they're not advanced technicians either (like myself.) *I know there are a lot of really helpfull YouTube channels for Football Manager; this is just regarding SI and their channel. -As it is now, watching a match isn't that fun (I play matches on 'full match' but the fastest speed.) I can't tell you how many games I've had where we've had 30 shots, 18 on target, 3 CCC, 2 woodworks and the other team has 1 shot on goal and I lose 1-0. It's like at the start of the match the game decided that no matter what I do I'm not winning this game... and to be clear, I'm not saying the match engine does do this, I'm just saying it feels like it does this and it's incredibly frustrating. Admittedly, this point can be traced back to not understanding tactics, but that's kind of the point? I'm getting feedback that my team (appears) to be playing well and the game is keeping me from winning. tldr; I'm looking forward to the game but would like to see strides made in understanding tactics 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 3 hours ago, ButchertheBaker said: tldr; I'm looking forward to the game but would like to see strides made in understanding tactics Well said, you're not wrong It must be an AI thing, but your Ass Man is next to useless. You're keeping possession, he tells you to play more direct. Prematch he'll tell you change player roles & focus play down the left/left/centre, if you applied anything he's telling you, you'd end up in a right mess 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagenham_Dave Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 3 hours ago, ButchertheBaker said: I can't tell you how many games I've had where we've had 30 shots, 18 on target, 3 CCC, 2 woodworks and the other team has 1 shot on goal and I lose 1-0. This is where I hope XG can be beneficial to help with these types of matches. Although these games create a sort of confirmation bias, as these are the ones that stick in the memory longer. I'd wager over 90% of your matches where you dominate possession and chances, you'll win. Those 'unfair' losses stand out more. But yeah, the hope is these new tools should give more info in what has gone wrong in those games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phd_angel Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 As I've been saying every year for the last 15 years: Yes, I'll buy the new FM21 edition. Even if it's only a bit more than a refresh with update, FM is excellent fun worth for my money, and I now see myself more as a loyal patron of the franchise, so I could kinda glance over a few bugs or issues if these are temporary. So, yeah, hell yeah... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
latrell Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 every now again i feel like going of grid and sticking with the fm20 i have done it before with previous versions and i might do it again, i am feeling like making a donation to my local food bank tbh instead of paying for something i do not really need. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xturqz Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 11/10/2020 at 17:00, Federico said: When there's a free demo allowing you to play for half a season, much more than 2 hours so to say, that doesn't sound like "simple" move. Considering last year the match engine was so different during the demo compared to how it is now, yes it is a simple move. If it's good enough in the demo then maybe I'll have no need to, but either way I'm still going to do it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallimuse Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Purchased it and waiting for BETA like... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hh123 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 ill wait for feedback on the ME. If its not an improvement on this years then ill wait to see if it improves before buying 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solstad1069 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 I must wonder if they are improving the ME and copy paste the sounds from, ye where are they from? 2010? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Jef- Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Who actually plays fm with sounds tho? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright 747 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, rosque said: Who actually plays fm with sounds tho? I wonder why that is 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Jef- Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Ços I can listen to podcasts or music on spotify and actually chill whilst playing FM and not listen to the same noise for 15 mins and then silence and then 15 mins of noise while the game is going on. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyro Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 I read somewhere a while ago that it would be too much to add the sound for everything. Probably a low priority at this point. I guess some additional sound/fans cheering/background music when they score a goal, etc. would be a nice touch but not really a priority. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Won't be buying this year. Despite being a Liverpool fan, my love of football has dropped significantly since covid and this has a knock on effect of my desire to play fifa or FM. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Pre ordered Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isignedupfornorealreason Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 I won't buy it on launch. Might look in at the January/March time period, when I can grab it for a tenner maybe. I want to see the teething problems and so on first, once I sift through the usual fanboy 10/10 reviews and the useless "OMG IT SUX" reviews. I have bought the game for my nephew though. His birthday is in November, so he always asks for Football Manager and so he always gets it. But, he's admitted he won't play it immediately as he's on a pretty decent lower league save in FM20 atm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripeyfox2015 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 I’ll be buying it as I have every year going way back to the CM days on my Amiga. I spent more on last night’s take away than FM will cost so I’m comfortable with the value it offers. I know it’s not perfect nor do I expect it to me. I’m not looking for every detail of the ME , but for me the match is a computer generated approximation of a football match. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard boy Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 I think timing isn’t great with PS5 coming out at the same time. That’s surely gonna have a big impact on sales. I might get this around January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solstad1069 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 On 28/10/2020 at 15:44, rosque said: Ços I can listen to podcasts or music on spotify and actually chill whilst playing FM and not listen to the same noise for 15 mins and then silence and then 15 mins of noise while the game is going on. It doesnt have to be noise, or do you watch real football listening to podcast or Spotify? Sound is part of the experience like any other entertainment. Overall its a lot more important than answering repititive questions from a journalist. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Jef- Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Solstad1069 said: It doesnt have to be noise, or do you watch real football listening to podcast or Spotify? Sound is part of the experience like any other entertainment. Overall its a lot more important than answering repititive questions from a journalist. I listen to pundits and talk to my family whilst watching the game irl. Except the game IRL is 90 mins + like 25 more mins cos of extra time and half time. Game in-game is 10-20 mins depending how you watch it. If you can get me good punditry in the game I might watch it. Otherwise I don't care about the sound that is just a dumb white noise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxi7 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Yes because for the £26 I paid for it I see as great value for money. It will burn a lot of time whilst restrictions are in place and I didn't get a Xbox order in on time :( 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrrelevantLion Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 On 29/10/2020 at 11:40, Wizard boy said: I think timing isn’t great with PS5 coming out at the same time. That’s surely gonna have a big impact on sales. I might get this around January. I don't think the target audience cross over much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 45 minutes ago, maxi7 said: Yes because for the £26 I paid for it I see as great value for money. It will burn a lot of time whilst restrictions are in place and I didn't get a Xbox order in on time If the beta does drop on the 10th it should give us plenty to do during the lockdown lite, we'll get our monies worth in November no problem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skrew Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 FM21 will be the first FM I won't buy. I felt let down with FM19 a bit, and FM20 was...just a disaster. SI's approach was even more so. "majority of players are happy with it so we won't fix". "reflects real life statistics, so we won't fix"). "You can expect it to be fixed in FM21" (but I've paid for FM20!!!), you name it. I'll wait until january/february, monitor other players feedback and SI's approach and if it's really improved (I mean the core of it, not gestures, sounds, graphical stuff and other meaningless things to me) I'll buy it. "Lost trust in management" in general, sadly. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etebaer Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 I have decided not to. I played quite some hours and even on low intensity it was pretty much and i am bored of it by now. I will take a break of some years. If anyone did or did not not notice there where changes to the ME lately which make quite sense and it will probably be a good experience but i am overfed and need a diet. Til another time then PS: Probably my very displeasure with the very recent development in real world football plays a major role in that too...football has long left the realms if sanity and i am no longer with it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkobets Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Already bought (pre order). Awaiting now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephanie McMahon's Secret Lover Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 I have been with FM/CM since CM2. That is at least a 5 figure sum of total hours devoted to this game. However, I have no interest in purchasing it this time around. To me FM 21 is a data update with some features rehashed (Almost to the point of a FIFA new game). Especially as it is stuff I don't want in the game and usually hand over those duties to the staff. It's now become a cross between "Media Manager" & "Psychology Manager". Sadly it just doesn't interest me at all enough to pay the money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruntonpasty Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 I've actually changed my mind on looking through the pre-release footage, mainly the smoother, improved ME but some of the additional content appeals to how I play the game. Looking forward to taking Torquay up into the professional leagues continuing the end of my FM20 save where after 3 seasons with Cefyn Druids, the nod came from Plainmoor to rescue The Gulls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaulDuke30 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 (edited) Aint missed a year since championship manager season 01/02 (the first year I could afford my first PC!). For the 500+ hours I can easily put into this game, its the best value out there. Now with young kids its the perfect pickup and putdown game i can jump into when I have a spare hour or so. Edited November 8, 2020 by RaulDuke30 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bielsadidnothingwrong Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 As someone with plenty of complaints about FM20, I'm definitely buying FM21. Far too often the arguments on this forum surround what FM ought to be which bend people's perspectives on what FM is, a great management sim, not a perfect one. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Tigh Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Just bought it there on shopto. Just had a look at my playtime hours for FM 20. 1888 hours. Previous years were always between 150-400 hours. Stay at home for me was basically 'play FM' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotKettleBlack Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 I am probably not getting it. As a major feature of: "With my hands wide open, I tell the players that they're playing badly in an aggressive way" Just doesn't appeal to me. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solstad1069 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Looking at it from a business perspective and with no real competition in mind, why would SI ever make the perfect football manager. Its more than enough with a few babysteps every year. Its like those old soap operas, if you skip 5 episodes you really havent missed much. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR866Gunner Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Since I can remember I have bought the boxed version of FM and as a kind of ritual I find a store and collect the boxed copy to add to my collection.. This year for the first time I am considering digital download and feel somewhat torn. I like to keep the boxes and look back quite fondly on them but I do feel that maybe now is the time to move to digital fully.. am I being daft in resisting and preferring the boxed copies? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright 747 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 39 minutes ago, JR866Gunner said: Since I can remember I have bought the boxed version of FM and as a kind of ritual I find a store and collect the boxed copy to add to my collection.. This year for the first time I am considering digital download and feel somewhat torn. I like to keep the boxes and look back quite fondly on them but I do feel that maybe now is the time to move to digital fully.. am I being daft in resisting and preferring the boxed copies? I prefer the boxed copies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
f.zaarour Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Depends. Going to w8 for the Demo. But if i see the ME in the Beta is suprising positive in reviews, i might think about to get it. For me its important that when i play with extended highlights the ME is abit realistic, seeing nice plays and tactic changes making sense. Not what FM20 was about, mostly set piece goals, clueless changes etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Beckham Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 I pre-ordered FM21 a few weeks a go from Steam. Do I get the Beta if I buy direct from Steam and also how will I know it is ready to download when they release it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grade Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 6 hours ago, Ronaldo Beckham said: I pre-ordered FM21 a few weeks a go from Steam. Do I get the Beta if I buy direct from Steam and also how will I know it is ready to download when they release it? I think Beta you get through Steam or any of SI partners. No one knows when the beta is going to be release, just keep an eye on these forums. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Beckham Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 19 minutes ago, grade said: I think Beta you get through Steam or any of SI partners. No one knows when the beta is going to be release, just keep an eye on these forums. No I mean on the day of release how will I know it will be ready to download on Steam. At the moment its on my games library but not giving me an option to install it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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