SI Staff Freddie Sands Posted November 9, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted November 9, 2020 Please post any specific issues for Belgium competitions here. This is for any issue which does not relate to data and is for areas such as: - Competition Rules (Leagues and Cups) - Disciplinary Rules - Transfer Rules We would request you all to adhere to the following three point plan when posting in here: - State what you think is specifically wrong in your league. - State how you think it should be working. - State reasons/proof for your corrections/improvements. Please note that specific data issues for Belgium should be posted in the Database and Research Issues forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
negatedspace Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Not a huge issue to report. However, under the Belgian Pro League A rules "Under-21 players are automatically eligible to play all matches." is listed twice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Freddie Sands Posted November 10, 2020 Author SI Staff Share Posted November 10, 2020 27 minutes ago, negatedspace said: Not a huge issue to report. However, under the Belgian Pro League A rules "Under-21 players are automatically eligible to play all matches." is listed twice No worries, a bug is a bug! I have logged this internally now, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Sir Matthew Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Although we don't know what season 2021-2022 will bring, I think the most realistic approach would be to have the team "Club Brugge NXT" cease to exist at the end of the 2020-21 season. Now they stay in the game but this way an extra team is given to "Club Brugge" for better youth development and an competitive advantage vs all other 1A clubs with no similar team. Also the "Pro League rules" stipulate that for 2021-2022 1B should consist out of 8 professional teams again (basically an extra promotion spot from 1e nationale to 1B). Also 1e nationale should be extended back to the normal 16 teams from 2021-22 season onwards. I made the same post on Data Specific thread as this might be an issue tackling both Data & Leagues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanKers86 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I agree with what DJ Sir Matthew said. Also, in season 2021-2022 the Pro League A will still operate as season 2020-2021 concerning play off systems, but there will be 3 teams that drop from Pro League A to Pro League B. Starting from season 2022-2023 there will be 16 teams in Pro League A and the play-offs will go back to the systems that used to exist (2019-2020), with the top 6 teams competing for the title. I'm not sure if this is correctly implemented into the rules? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadAss88 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 The values in Belgium should be corrected! Most values are totally urealistic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConFM Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I have played the Belgian first league now for 1 season. I've finished 1st in Belgian Pro League A European Places Playoff (playoff 2). Altough the league setup has changed since last year, i'm pretty sure that i should play the 4th place of the Champions Group (playoff 1). This fixture never happend and i did not get the European Ticket but Cercle who finished 3rd in playoff 2 got it? Can someone explain if this is a bug or is this meant to happen? Note: Charleroi (who finished 4th in the Championship group) won the cup, this might change the way the European Ticket is given but i still don't get why Cercle got it. Thanks for answering. Greetings Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartijnStinissen Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) The transfer period in the jupiler pro league runs till 31st of august but this season it ran till the 5th of october. Second image is from transfermarkt for reference Edited November 12, 2020 by MartijnStinissen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Glennon Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 13 hours ago, ConFM said: I have played the Belgian first league now for 1 season. I've finished 1st in Belgian Pro League A European Places Playoff (playoff 2). Altough the league setup has changed since last year, i'm pretty sure that i should play the 4th place of the Champions Group (playoff 1). This fixture never happend and i did not get the European Ticket but Cercle who finished 3rd in playoff 2 got it? Can someone explain if this is a bug or is this meant to happen? Note: Charleroi (who finished 4th in the Championship group) won the cup, this might change the way the European Ticket is given but i still don't get why Cercle got it. Thanks for answering. Greetings Any chance the winner of the cup took your place? If not, could you upload a save game so we can take a look at this? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djaanzie Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 (edited) - State what you think is specifically wrong in your league. -> Belgische pro League B -> Club NXT rules for players that are eligible to play for CLUB NXT is not fully correct. - Players born after 31 december 1997 (under the age of 23) can play for Club NXT (Would mean that players like Diatta, De Ketelaere and Badji would be able to play for Club NXT). - A player younger then 23 (born after 31 1997) that has played 5 games as a starter for Club Brugge in the first division is not eligible for selection for Club NXT. - and/or if a player younger then 23 (born after 31 december 1997) plays 15 games for Club Brugge in the first division with a minimum of 45 minutes played he is also not longer eligible for selection for Club Nxt. - Players under 23 that have played for the first team are not available for the next (1game) match of Club NXT if they started the game or if they have played more then 45 minutes for the first team. + CLUB BRUGGE KV UNDER 21 schedules friendly games but because all players are in club NXT my u18 team needs to play these games. There should be no U21 team -> this team plays in second Belgian division this season (CLUB NXT). As stated above it's not clear what the future holds for that team, so I would follow the suggestion posted earlier. (Other possibility would be that more u21 teams of clubs in the highest division get to play in the second or third league in Belgium). - State how you think it should be working. In short - Add rules for eligibility of players for Club Nxt (U23 of age, no more then 5 starts in first division or 15 games of 45 in first division. Not able to be selected for next game of Club NXT if they have started for the first team or have played at least 45 minutes in the first team. - Remove the u21 team (has been replaced by Club NXT in the second belgian division. (And add them back in after the first season). - Club NXT can't promote to first division (2nd place will promote) Club NXT can't be demoted to third division (second last team will be relegated to third division). - State reasons/proof for your corrections/improvements. Added pictures to my post. Edited November 13, 2020 by Djaanzie Layout/readability Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanKers86 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Double listing of champion after Play-off 1 ended. I've put this here instead of in User Interface issues since I think it has to do with winning the regular season aswel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolopola Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 (edited) (not sure if this should go in league specific or elsewhere) Ahead of my cup final, my message from the board mentioned that the season had ended. I'm not sure if this it the game getting confused about the regular season having ended, but not the play-offs or if this is just a standard message ahead of a cup final, with the game assuming the cup final takes place at the end of the season. Later on the message does mention our league position in a way that indicates that the season hasn't finished (which is true). Edited November 14, 2020 by Nolopola Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Laderman Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Save with Royal Antwerp. They are in the Europa League this season and I was asked to confirm expectations to my players regarding the Europa League but I haven’t been entered in to the competition for some reason? Not sure if this is an Antwerp thing or a general bug? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DylaanAG Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) The games are not played with the right TV schedule. Games must be organised like this: Friday : 20h45 Saturday : 16h45, 18h30, 20h45 Sunday : 13h30, 16h, 18h15 , 20h45 Monday : 20h45 Eleven Sports did this so that there are not two matches being played at the same time. (But when a game can't be played on friday for some reason, the game is postponed on saturday 18h30) Edited November 15, 2020 by DylaanAG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSCA4Ever Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Anderlecht should have a Grass/Synthetic Mix Surface (newly installed this summer) and the Pitch Dimensions should be 105m x 64m, not 105m x 62m as maximum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cryptail Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Hi there. I just finished my first season in the Belgian Jupiler Pro league, which I won, but I noted that there was no prize money for the championship. I did get like 13K for finishing in the cup league , but there was no prize money whatsoever for the competition. Assume this is a bug.. :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister_Marcassin Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Bonjour, Petit Problème concernant le championnat Belge, Premiers année les Play off 1 sont à 4 (équipe) ce qui est normal, mais en deuxième année il reste à 4 hors que il devrais repassé à 6 comme dans les années précédente Merci à vous Je suis un grand fan du Championnat Belge, et quand on doit atteindre le top 4 en deuxième année avec Eupen c'est un peu fort compliqué du coup, hors que sa devrait être à 6 donc 2 place qui se libère VIVE FM21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolopola Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 The Manager of the Year award gets voted on at the end of the season (together with stuff like Manager of the Season) when it should be voted on at the end of the year (together with stuff like Golden Booth). It gets awarded correctly at the end of the year, but the voting is wrong. I reported this last year as well and was told it would be looked at, but it seems to still be broken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DivineOne Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Second season should have 3 relegations and 1 promotion, And then the third season should be back to normal with 16 teams. https://sporza.be/nl/matches/voetbal/2020-07/mf-algemene-vergadering-pro-league-31-juli/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie2323 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Squad selection, for selecting the 18 players for match day it´s needed in the game to select 6 players that has a home grown status Belgium, but this not longer needed, you only need to select 8 players in squad registration of 25 in the beginning of the season. In the picture you can see an extract of the current belgian book of rules regarding squad selection and registration Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gg4 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Le 21/11/2020 à 21:07, DivineOne a dit : Second season should have 3 relegations and 1 promotion, And then the third season should be back to normal with 16 teams. https://sporza.be/nl/matches/voetbal/2020-07/mf-algemene-vergadering-pro-league-31-juli/ Exactly! In 2022/2023, it should be back with the old format. 2020/21: 18 clubs - the 18th is relegated - the 17th plays against the 2 in D1B 2021/22: 18 clubs - the 16th, 17th and 18th are relegated and only one club is promoted 2022/23: we go back to the format with 16 clubs. But in D1B there is no longer the final, the first of the general is promoted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilltheWolf92 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Hi guys, About: Newgens with second nationalities How it should be better: There should be more newgens with a second nationality cause I barely saw in 5 different saves at the most clubs in Belgium, while mostly 30-40% in real life has a second nationality and it would also represent the population in Belgium. Proof: As one proof you can see the difference between the current youth squads (not newgens) and their second nationality. I remember this was a problem last year but it was fixed than, but now it's again as in FM20 first, I hope this can be fixed again cause it make it a bit unrealistic in time. Thanks for the great work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilltheWolf92 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Still no news about this? Previous edition this was fixed in one of the updates but still nog changes... Would be nice to see an answer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akasha Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Hi, In this french thread the user explain that players are on holidays at the end of the season until the 1st of july. IRL he explain that they are on holidays until 15th june. So in game he only has 3 preparation week. Are you aware about this issue ? Do you need more information ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveincid Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 I am pretty sure there was a decimal-point mistake? Otherwise I am going to work as a player-agent in Belgium, seems lucrative^^ This would explain why Belgium teams are spending so much money on transfers and salarys in the future Looks like this in the editor: Cheers Daveincid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iGoldenBen Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) Noticed that lower league teams don't get added to the preliminary/1st round of the croky cup and instead it starts from the third round, with only a random handful of lower league teams being entered. For instance all provincial teams (Tier 6 divisions) should be entered into the 1st round of the cup. 2020–21 Belgian Cup - Wikipedia Edited January 17, 2021 by iGoldenBen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilles.Maheur Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 On 15/11/2020 at 19:12, RSCA4Ever said: Anderlecht should have a Grass/Synthetic Mix Surface (newly installed this summer) and the Pitch Dimensions should be 105m x 64m, not 105m x 62m as maximum. Noted and changed! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akasha Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Le 19/12/2020 à 17:56, Akasha a dit : Hi, In this french thread the user explain that players are on holidays at the end of the season until the 1st of july. IRL he explain that they are on holidays until 15th june. So in game he only has 3 preparation week. Are you aware about this issue ? Do you need more information ? Hi, Do you have news about this issue ? The same french user says he always have the issue ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verminator0112 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 (edited) It seems like the records for the Belgian Pro League A aren't working. I've got a player on 43 goals for the season (1st screenshot) and a player with 18 assists for the season (also 1st screenshot), both breaking the record. I broke the record for the assists multiple times with different players, but it never registered and I kept getting weird inbox items. There was a season were it registered, but after that non of the goal/assist records registered. I know there is still 1 game to go in the season, but it happened multiple times already and other records like my win streak already registered. Look at the 2nd screenshot to see that the records didn't register. Edited March 5, 2021 by Verminator0112 Just got another weird inbox item about the records Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verminator0112 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Just a small fix (I think): the expected points should be changed, points get halved by the play off system so the expectation shoulod be halved too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verminator0112 Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 The record transfer fees in Belgium also seem to be bugged, forked out 100 mil and more on 1 player multiple times and it never seems to be correct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
domingues23 Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 Hi I started a save with Thes Sport (1st Amateur Division). When I got promoted to the 2nd division, my U18 & U21 team had no leagues anymore. Currently in season 23-24 my U18 team is back in the U18 elite 2 league, but my U21 team still has no fixtures planned except for friendlies. I'm also still entering the cup in the 5th round, where other Pro League 1 teams are only added from round 6. Is there a way to fix this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wietje Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 I have the same issue, promoted to 2nd division. My reserves and u18 team have no league games anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Sebastian Szlenkier Posted May 4, 2021 SI Staff Share Posted May 4, 2021 On 11/04/2021 at 17:37, domingues23 said: Hi I started a save with Thes Sport (1st Amateur Division). When I got promoted to the 2nd division, my U18 & U21 team had no leagues anymore. Currently in season 23-24 my U18 team is back in the U18 elite 2 league, but my U21 team still has no fixtures planned except for friendlies. I'm also still entering the cup in the 5th round, where other Pro League 1 teams are only added from round 6. Is there a way to fix this? 12 hours ago, wietje said: I have the same issue, promoted to 2nd division. My reserves and u18 team have no league games anymore. Do you have a save file just before the team gets promoted to the 2nd division? If so, please upload it to the SI Cloud Server using the instructions below. We can then take a look into this. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steffenwolff Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 I have an issue concerning the U19 and U21 national teams. One of the things I like most about FM is the fact that you can train youngsters to become the stars of tomorrow. I managed to get Standard de Liége unto the level of Ajax regarding their youth, but then an issue arose... At one point I was playing the best game I ever played, reaching the UEFA cup finals with eleven 19, 21 and 21 year old club grown players. All Belgian, all from my own youth academy. I knocked the likes of Chelsea, Tottenham and Spartak Moscou out of the tournament and was ready to face Arsenal in the finals. And then it happened.. at match day almost my ENTIRE team was called up for the Belgian U21, where most of them didn't even play!! I ended up having to play the finals of the EURO cup with players from my B-team and lost 4 to 0. Biggest disappointement ever. I worked so hard to get there and then, having it taking away like this is pretty sour. Can something be done about this? In real life those players wouldn't have ever been called up to play useless friendlies with the U21 where they didn't even make an appearance. They would have been allowed to play the European cup finales. Thank you :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilltheWolf92 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Someone an idea about this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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