j_t_87 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Hi, I have noticed in the editor theres a new component called peak PA? Any insight into this? As i noticed as well that Peak PA is higher than the PA 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenmfssrox Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 i have a player whose potential ability is 168 in the database, and peak pa is 155. In current game, his current ability has risen to 158 and in coach reports it says "he doesnt think he will improve in the future". So I'm guessing peak potential ability is the natural peak by playing regularly, while actual potential ability can only be achieved with good form after they reached this peak pa maybe? I'm not sure but just a hunch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratio1618 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, kenmfssrox said: i have a player whose potential ability is 168 in the database, and peak pa is 155. In current game, his current ability has risen to 158 and in coach reports it says "he doesnt think he will improve in the future". So I'm guessing peak potential ability is the natural peak by playing regularly, while actual potential ability can only be achieved with good form after they reached this peak pa maybe? I'm not sure but just a hunch Pretty sure you are spot on with that one. I might do some tests cause technically thats pretty huge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piksi#10 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Just came in to start a topic about this subject. I see a Serbian striker who has 150 PA, but a peak potential ability of 165. So my theory is it can go both ways. If you get him to his usual PA and he keeps improving and playing on a high level, eventually he can reach 165? If so, that would mean a more dynamic PA, which is obviously fantastic! This happens in real life as well. I'll do some testing soon and I'll report back, but I'm interested to see what you guys find out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_t_87 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 It will be good if we can get any feedback from the SI team instead of us half guessing it 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piksi#10 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Yeah, the peak current ability confuses me. Found a player with 135 CA, 150 PEAK CA, 154 PA and 168 PEAK PA. Now you tell me what'll happen to him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piksi#10 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) First test I did was load up my BETA save and see what impact these things might have. I checked the -9 players in the database and most of them have 165 PEAK PA. Now while checking the players in game, I've noticed that nearly all of them are on or below their Peak PA and those who aren't, are just one point above it. So the whole -9 IMO becomes rather pointless as it seems to be capped at 166, while -9 could potentially lead up to a PA of 180. As for the peak CA and PA numbers for regular players (without negative PA's), I'm starting to think that those numbers were the highest these players have seen in one of the FM databases of the past. But I could of course be wrong. Edited November 24, 2020 by Piksi#10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveincid Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 I am not 100% sure but I think this should show, how likely he will reach his PA according to age, CA, hidden attributes and so.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewS17 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Last night, on a confusing note, I noticed a player with a PA of 165 or so. His CA was 130 and his peak PA was 135 or something similar I believe. They were very marginal, which does make the idea of peak PA's inclusion rather confusing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveincid Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 vor 1 Minute schrieb MatthewS17: Last night, on a confusing note, I noticed a player with a PA of 165 or so. His CA was 130 and his peak PA was 135 or something similar I believe. They were very marginal, which does make the idea of peak PA's inclusion rather confusing. Not at all. Was he already over 24? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewS17 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, Daveincid said: Not at all. Was he already over 24? Nope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveincid Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) What's his age? If he play's in a weaker league, has some bad mental stats the chance is small, tha he will reach his PA. I think this is shown by this info Edited November 24, 2020 by Daveincid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gum Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 56 minutes ago, Piksi#10 said: As for the peak CA and PA numbers for regular players (without negative PA's), I'm starting to think that those numbers were the highest these players have seen in one of the FM databases of the past. But I could of course be wrong. I checked peak CA and PA numbers for some older players and I believe this is spot on. For example, Freddy Adu has a peak CA and PA of 128 and 185 respectively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveincid Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Gerade eben schrieb Gum: I checked peak CA and PA numbers for some older players and I believe this is spot on. For example, Freddy Adu has a peak CA and PA of 128 and 185 respectively. exactly. Lost wonderkids. Topic closed;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piksi#10 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Just now, Gum said: I checked peak CA and PA numbers for some older players and I believe this is spot on. For example, Freddy Adu has a peak CA and PA of 128 and 185 respectively. Yeah, I think the numbers don't mean anything. I've only simulated one year, but I gave players a lower max PA and a higher PEAK PA with optimal hidden attributes and maxed out CA and nothing is happening. It seems these are just historic numbers that don't change anything in current games. The issue I spoke about above also seems to have been fixed. One player who has a PEAK PA of 155 and -9, now has 167 PA in game. So that might have just been a BETA issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdf Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Would be interesting to have a response of someone from SI on this topic 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_t_87 Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 Yeah i saw yusuf demir with PA of 185 in my save but is peak PA is only 155 so im abit worried Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdf Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 The only concern I have is that lower peak PA than PA could inhibit the growth of the player. If we would get an official response from SI it would be useful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Threadstarter Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) Is it possible that peak PA f.e. is the highest PA that was ever given to some player in previous iterations of FM? That explanation doesn't work for new players of course or how it relates in game. Would be interesting to know what it means. edit. just seen that some player Pa is higher than his peak PA. Edited December 28, 2020 by The Threadstarter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee_Simpson Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Wouldn't mind someone from SI clearing this up. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkdsoul Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 On 28/12/2020 at 03:49, Gee_Simpson said: Wouldn't mind someone from SI clearing this up. the Peak PA that was ever given to some player in previous iterations of FM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee_Simpson Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, wkdsoul said: the Peak PA that was ever given to some player in previous iterations of FM But there is a certain player who had a -9.5 PA on FM20 and he has a peak PA of Spoiler 175 On FM21 when surely 190 would be his peak PA as that's the max range for a - 9.5 PA player. Edited December 29, 2020 by Gee_Simpson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkdsoul Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gee_Simpson said: But there is a certain player who had a -9.5 PA on FM20 and he has a peak PA of Reveal hidden contents 175 On FM21 when surely 190 would be his peak PA as that's the max range for a - 9.5 PA player. Most likely the previous set value PA, the field wont take a -number, Depends how they imported the info from the data archive they have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee_Simpson Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 5 hours ago, wkdsoul said: Most likely the previous set value PA, the field wont take a -number, Depends how they imported the info from the data archive they have. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prowler84 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Peak PA is the PA that player had at maximum on previous years. (actually the highest value he had on previous FM games) For example, a player which was considered on FM 19 as 150 pa, on FM 20 as 145 PA and on FM 21 as 125 PA ; his peak pa will be assigned as 150. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveUK Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) If for example I change a player's PA to 175 but his Peak PA is ticked as 158, can he achieve the 175? Edited March 4, 2021 by SteveUK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkdsoul Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 45 minutes ago, SteveUK said: If for example I change a player's PA to 175 but his Peak PA is ticked as 158, can he achieve the 175? yes, its just a data record, doesnt effect anything 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveUK Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 58 minutes ago, wkdsoul said: yes, its just a data record, doesnt effect anything Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters76 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Think its the highest the player have been in the past. Like an older player with CA 143 and peak CA 160 telling he has been at 160 in the past. Could have something to do with media. Or just put there for future fm versions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigd84 Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 hi, im currently building a database, and would love some clarification from them devs or someone well versed in this. Im going to use Arda Guler as an example, he has a -9 rand BUT a peak current of 105 and a PEAK PA of ..... 247. Its making me unsure as to what it means and reading in here it seems its still uncertain. Kind regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigd84 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 anyone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 It isn't taken into account like WkSoul has said 2 years ago. So you can ignore it, It should be hidden as it is causing confusion and doesn't add anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigd84 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 well for some reason i missed that. my bad. Thanks for answering Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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