Phil930 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Those Ryzens crush the tests - really impressive. Now I want to build an AMD system, but as noted above, i'll hold for DDR5 also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZOXEXIVO Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Daveincid said: Heyy would it be possible for you to run benchmark D? It would be great to see the difference to the 5900x:) Ok, I will try this tomorrow 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZOXEXIVO Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, matt_forest said: What do you mean "It's a shame to see results like this" ? Your own results or other peoples benchmark times? It is my results. 5 years ago, I already raised the topic that a game that should have initial support for multithreading is not using it well. Having made a benchmark in 2020, I see that the vacation process takes 2-3 cores of my 16 core CPU. I have my pet project to develop football manager simulation logic - https://github.com/ZOXEXIVO/football-simulator (without manual control, and other things). I want create it with fully support of multithreading. Edited November 27, 2020 by ZOXEXIVO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted November 27, 2020 Author Share Posted November 27, 2020 1 minute ago, ZOXEXIVO said: It is my results. 5 years ago, I already raised the topic that a game that should have initial support for multithreading is not using it well. Having made a benchmark in 2020, I see that the vacation process takes 2-3 cores of my 16 core CPU Benchmark D will see to that.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted November 28, 2020 Author Share Posted November 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, ZOXEXIVO said: I have my pet project to develop football manager simulation logic - https://github.com/ZOXEXIVO/football-simulator (without manual control, and other things). I want create it with fully support of multithreading. Okay wow that sounds interesting, I can't pretend to understand how any of it works but I'd love to hear more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZOXEXIVO Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Brother Ben said: Okay wow that sounds interesting, I can't pretend to understand how any of it works but I'd love to hear more The project is in its early stage) I create FM 2017 - style UI in html Edited November 28, 2020 by ZOXEXIVO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy82* Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Type: Laptop Model: ASUS VIVOBOOK 14 M413IA-EB573T CPU Model: AMD Ryzen 5 Mobile 4500U CPU Base Frequency: 2.3GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4 GHz RAM: 8GB RAM Clockspeed: 3192mhz GPU: Integrated AMD Radeon Vega Graphics Graphics Level in 3D: Medium Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A: 2 Minutes 50 Seconds Benchmark B: 12 Minutes 24 Seconds Benchmark C: 17 Minutes 43 Seconds 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 On the fence re an upgrade at the moment, this thread will swing it for me one way or the other this year. Will be popping back in the new year to see if I'm about to become a fair few hundred £'s lighter! Thanks all. Maybe. 😳😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 14 hours ago, ZOXEXIVO said: It's a shame to see results like this In 2021, a game that can potentially be parallelized to all cores almost does not use them. Apparently, everything is bad in the code and it won't be possible to fix it for a long time. These attempts to measure the speed look pathetic, because this is the task of developers, not users. Well I ran the last Laptop buyers guide thread and @kevhamsterkindly agreed to start it over. The first laptop thread I ran went to well over 200 pages. The one I was involved in before that was over 200 pages. And the last one went to 100 pages. And Kev is well on his way with over 20 pages already in a few weeks. Point is there are thousands of people looking for new laptops/computers and the biggest question asked is "how many leagues can I load?" Fact is, we dont know. It's in the opening thread. We cannot test every system. But the benchmark thread is amazing as the results show us what is working and what is not. We dont work for SI or FM we are mere mortals trying to help fellow gamers. It really is no coincidence either that https://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Processors-Benchmark-List.2436.0.html ranks the processors and it is uncanny to how similar the list is for the Benchmark thread. With this data we can offer the thousands of people asking year in year out what is best value for their money. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZOXEXIVO Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 I update my result and add D Benchmark time: 15 minutes 38 seconds (28.08 - 04.09) I am impressed, how FM used my CPU in benchmark D: sometimes it takes 100% 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveincid Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 vor 1 Minute schrieb ZOXEXIVO: I update my result and add D Benchmark time: 15 minutes 38 seconds (28.08 - 04.09) I am impressed, how FM used my CPU in benchmark D: sometimes it takes 100% Nice! So the 5900x is only a bit faster with 12cores than the 3950x with 16cores! AMD really does a great job at the moment! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZOXEXIVO Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Smurf said: Fact is, we dont know. It's in the opening thread. We cannot test every system. But the benchmark thread is amazing as the results show us what is working and what is not. We dont work for SI or FM we are mere mortals trying to help fellow gamers. I understand your good intentions, but in fact it is useless work, which will be useless every year. All such measures should come from the developers of special units who are engaged in measuring bottlenecks in the game and optimizing them. They have access to the code and can see slow and weak points in the game on the graphs. The game should fully utilize all your harware. Apparently, the current FM release cycle does not allow time for optimization and the developers are only busy creating and editing new features. In fact, managers and developers have created a free workforce for themselves that does not need to be paid. Edited November 28, 2020 by ZOXEXIVO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff EdL Posted November 28, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted November 28, 2020 1 minute ago, ZOXEXIVO said: I understand your good intentions, but in fact it is useless work, which will be useless every year. All such measures should come from the developers of special units who are engaged in measuring bottlenecks in the game and optimizing them. They have access to the code and can see slow and weak points in the game on the graphs Apparently, the current FM release cycle does not allow time for optimization and the developers are only busy creating and editing new features. In fact, managers and developers have created a free workforce for themselves that does not need to be paid. This is just totally off the mark, these guys aren't doing work for us, we have internal performance testing ofc, but this is primarily for the users to compare performance, and as aide its interesting for me as there will always be more variety than we can test with. As for optimisation of course we are doing it! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff EdL Posted November 28, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted November 28, 2020 Type: Desktop CPU Model:Ryzen 9 3950X CPU Base Frequency: 3.5GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.7 GHz RAM: 32GB RAM Clockspeed: 2933Mhz GPU: Radeon 5600XT Storage Type: SSD - Samsung 970 EVO Plus OS: Windows 10 1909 X64 Benchmark A: 1 min 49 seconds 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZOXEXIVO Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, EdL said: This is just totally off the mark, these guys aren't doing work for us, we have internal performance testing ofc, but this is primarily for the users to compare performance, and as aide its interesting for me as there will always be more variety than we can test with. As for optimisation of course we are doing it! Thanks for answer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil930 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 1 hour ago, ZOXEXIVO said: I update my result and add D Benchmark time: 15 minutes 38 seconds (28.08 - 04.09) I am impressed, how FM used my CPU in benchmark D: sometimes it takes 100% Now you're just showing off with all those cores/logical processes! Love it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonidopa Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) Type: Desktop CPU Model: i5-7600 CPU Base Freq: 3.50GHz CPU Turbo Freq: 4.1GHz RAM: 16GB DDR4 RAM Clockspeed: 2400Mhz GPU: Asus Dual 1060 GTX OC 6GB DDR5 Storage Type: SSD OS: Win 10 Pro x64 3D GRAPHICS: High Benchmark A: 2:49.04 Benchmark B: 11:27.68 Benchmark C: 19:58.40 Benchmark D: 59:21.41 Edited November 28, 2020 by tonidopa Add benchmark times 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveincid Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 @EdL @ZOXEXIVO It would be interessting to see if XMP-Profile activated makes a big difference. I noticed quite a big improvement with 3600Mhz CL18 vs default in FM20 on my 3950x. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smurf Posted November 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2020 1 hour ago, ZOXEXIVO said: I understand your good intentions, but in fact it is useless work, which will be useless every year. All such measures should come from the developers of special units who are engaged in measuring bottlenecks in the game and optimizing them. They have access to the code and can see slow and weak points in the game on the graphs. The game should fully utilize all your harware. Apparently, the current FM release cycle does not allow time for optimization and the developers are only busy creating and editing new features. In fact, managers and developers have created a free workforce for themselves that does not need to be paid. At the end of the day I am not doing it for SI. Nine years ago I bought a computer for FM and it didnt work. I spent close to a grand on it. Wasted money. As fM is the only game I play, I put stock into understanding the game and required specs for a good solution. You can buy two computers for the same price. One could be severely underpowered and not suitable for FM. I really dont want others to fall into the same trap. Once you buy the computer you really arent in a position to buy again. Its a lot of money. All i am doing is advising what people spend their 500, 600, 700,800 etc quid on. And the benchmark thread helps me and others understand what we are spending money on, more importantly, other peoples money. I am sure @EdLand others appreciate it is literally for our own use and if it helps the SI team somehow then thats even better. So i dont know why you are grouchy about this. The threads help everyone. And its my time to waste. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff EdL Posted November 28, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted November 28, 2020 My personal machineType: Desktop CPU Model:Ryzen 7 2700X CPU Base Frequency: 3.7GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4 GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 2933Mhz GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB Storage Type: SSD - Samsung 970 EVO OS: Windows 10 1909 X64 (additional info but could be good to know as it can have an affect) Benchmark A: 2 min 22 Sec Benchmark B: 10 min 36 Sec 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonidopa Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Wonder if this can be measured in Stadia as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xatharas Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) Stupid question, but I'm new to FM and benchmarking, how do I start the benchmarks? I load the game and then what do I do? I got all 4 saves and can start them. Thx in advance Edited November 28, 2020 by xatharas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted November 28, 2020 Author Share Posted November 28, 2020 22 minutes ago, xatharas said: Stupid question, but I'm new to FM and benchmarking, how do I start the benchmarks? I load the game and then what do I do? I got all 4 saves and can start them. Thx in advance go to go on holiday then just click go on holiday (it should be a week default) Use a stopwatch to record the times Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_forest Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 5 hours ago, ZOXEXIVO said: I understand your good intentions, but in fact it is useless work, which will be useless every year. All such measures should come from the developers of special units who are engaged in measuring bottlenecks in the game and optimizing them. They have access to the code and can see slow and weak points in the game on the graphs. The game should fully utilize all your harware. Apparently, the current FM release cycle does not allow time for optimization and the developers are only busy creating and editing new features. In fact, managers and developers have created a free workforce for themselves that does not need to be paid. (A) If one person avoids buying a crappy computer after looking at some of the benchmarks on here then to me that proves it's not a useless excercise. (B) I get your point about the release cycle, that's the problem with a sports game as they're always going to be tied to the start of a new football season starting. I think FM and FIFA could benefit in the long run if every now and then they came out with an update rather than a full blown game. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xatharas Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Type: Desktop CPU Model:Ryzen 7 3700X RAM: 32GB RAM Clockspeed: 3600Mhz GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super 8GB Storage Type: SSD - Samsung 970 EVO A: 1m55 B: 8m55 C: 10m56 D: 21m38 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee_Simpson Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Looks like AMD are the undisputed kings and value for money now! I'll post my results up in a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VP. Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Type: Desktop CPU Model: i7 - 8700 CPU Base Frequency: 3.20GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.60GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 2400Mhz GPU: NVIDIA GeForce 1050TI- 4GB Graphics Level in 3D: High Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A: 2 min 06 Sec Benchmark B: 9 min 45 Sec Benchmark C: 13 min 08 Sec 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScrambledEgg Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Haven't seen many older desktop system results posted so far so thought I'd chime in: Type: Desktop Model: Custom CPU Model: i7 - 4770K CPU Base Frequency: 3.5GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.40 GHz (OC) RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 1600Mhz (DDR3) GPU: GTX 1650 Super 4GB Graphics Level in 3D: Very High Storage Type: NVMe SSD (via PCI Express Card) Benchmark A: 02 min 33 Sec Benchmark B: 10 min 48 Sec Benchmark C: 16 min 15 Sec Benchmark D: 43 min 02 Sec CPU has all core overclock @ 4.4Ghz on an AIO liquid cooler - I ran Benchmark A at stock for comparison and the result was 2 min 54 sec, I will run the others at stock in the next few days as I'm interested to see how much slower bench D will be. I had some CPU monitoring software running and logging in the background and there was only really bench D that had any sustained periods at 100% usage, the others have spikes but never for more than a few seconds (maybe 20 seconds at times on bench C). Purchased FM every year since the mid 90's (Championship Manager days) and played on this system since 2013 - if any optimisation has been made to the processing it has been very subtle, after a few weeks of playing 2021 (about 25 hours), it feels about the same as it always has on this system although I accept that the level of data and analysis has increased so perhaps SI should be applauded for that. With an average setup of leagues and medium database I've never felt the experience is bad; I would like to be able to load a larger database however I find that in doing this the performance is fine for the first five seasons or so but then just gets progressively worse every season to the point it is very sluggish, say, 20 seasons in - obviously this is referring to previous editions, I don't have that kind of time to play these days! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 3 hours ago, ScrambledEgg said: Haven't seen many older desktop system results posted so far so thought I'd chime in: Type: Desktop Model: Custom CPU Model: i7 - 4770K CPU Base Frequency: 3.5GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.40 GHz (OC) RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 1600Mhz (DDR3) GPU: GTX 1650 Super 4GB Graphics Level in 3D: Very High Storage Type: NVMe SSD (via PCI Express Card) Benchmark A: 02 min 33 Sec Benchmark B: 10 min 48 Sec Benchmark C: 16 min 15 Sec Benchmark D: 43 min 02 Sec CPU has all core overclock @ 4.4Ghz on an AIO liquid cooler - I ran Benchmark A at stock for comparison and the result was 2 min 54 sec, I will run the others at stock in the next few days as I'm interested to see how much slower bench D will be. I had some CPU monitoring software running and logging in the background and there was only really bench D that had any sustained periods at 100% usage, the others have spikes but never for more than a few seconds (maybe 20 seconds at times on bench C). Purchased FM every year since the mid 90's (Championship Manager days) and played on this system since 2013 - if any optimisation has been made to the processing it has been very subtle, after a few weeks of playing 2021 (about 25 hours), it feels about the same as it always has on this system although I accept that the level of data and analysis has increased so perhaps SI should be applauded for that. With an average setup of leagues and medium database I've never felt the experience is bad; I would like to be able to load a larger database however I find that in doing this the performance is fine for the first five seasons or so but then just gets progressively worse every season to the point it is very sluggish, say, 20 seasons in - obviously this is referring to previous editions, I don't have that kind of time to play these days! You make a good point about it being slower down the line, what i've had to do is drop leagues the further in I get. I've got an i5 4670k from the same generation and I still find it fine but the results on here make me want to upgrade I have to say 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crghurst Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Type: Laptop Model: PC Specialist Build CPU Model: AMD Ryzen 7 4800H CPU Base Frequency: 2.9 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4 .2 GHz RAM: 16 GB RAM Clockspeed: 2660 Mhz GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 Graphics Level in 3D: Very High Storage Type: SSD M.2 Benchmark A: 2 min 21 Sec Benchmark B: 12 min 16 Sec Benchmark C: 14 min 18 Sec Benchmark D: 27 min 58 Sec 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScrambledEgg Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Brother Ben said: You make a good point about it being slower down the line, what i've had to do is drop leagues the further in I get. I've got an i5 4670k from the same generation and I still find it fine but the results on here make me want to upgrade I have to say Yeah if the 5950X becomes available soon I think I may have to get myself a new system for Christmas, I could squeeze a few more years out of my current set up but the results of others on this thread kind of make me realise I will actually notice a difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee_Simpson Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) Well after seeing the i7 9700k results I'm absolutely delighted with how my i9 9900k (which isn't that much better) performed. I didn't bother with the overclock to 5ghz on all cores this time like I did for the FM20 test as I don't use my PC overclocked so didn't see the point, although it would obviously have given me an even better result! Type: Desktop Model: Custom Build CPU Model: i9 9900k CPU Base Frequency: 3.6 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 5 GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 3200Mhz GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 - 6GB Graphics Level in 3D: Very High Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A: 1 min 38 sec Benchmark B: 7 min 7 sec Benchmark C: 8 min 54 sec Benchmark D: 19 min 53 sec So yeah, just that little advantage the i9 9900k has over the i7 9700k shows in Bench D especially! Obviously Bench D still lags behind the Ryzens but I'm really happy with the results! Happy to get under 20 mins in Bench D. This will certainly do me for a good few years I think, which is exactly what I was hoping for when I purchased this processor around a year ago. After comparing the other 3 Benchmarks to the Ryzens, my i9 9900k mostly keeps up or sometimes betters them up until the last Benchmark. I don't ever run full detail anyway, so it doesn't bother me much really. Only in Bench D the Ryzens have a considerable advantage. Edited November 30, 2020 by Gee_Simpson 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScrambledEgg Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Further to my post yesterday, and in what feels like an act of self-harm, I have run all the benchmarks at stock to see what sort of performance difference there is on a 4770K - 15%(ish) is quite a jump so would definitely recommend anyone with older hardware to sling an overclock on to eek a bit more performance out if your CPU allows it - provided you're not running a stock cooler. I don't do anything special, I just use Intel XTU, add 0.1 to the voltage and slide all cores up to 4.4. I have had it stable under a stability test up to 4.6Ghz but I was getting the odd crash in games so pulled it back to 4.4 given it doesn't really make much difference in GPU heavy titles anyway. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, ScrambledEgg said: Further to my post yesterday, and in what feels like an act of self-harm, I have run all the benchmarks at stock to see what sort of performance difference there is on a 4770K - 15%(ish) is quite a jump so would definitely recommend anyone with older hardware to sling an overclock on to eek a bit more performance out if your CPU allows it - provided you're not running a stock cooler. I don't do anything special, I just use Intel XTU, add 0.1 to the voltage and slide all cores up to 4.4. I have had it stable under a stability test up to 4.6Ghz but I was getting the odd crash in games so pulled it back to 4.4 given it doesn't really make much difference in GPU heavy titles anyway. Quite a difference there to be fair. I however lost out badly in the silicon lottery on my 4670k and can only get it stable at 4.1ghz. Annoying but that's the way it goes I suppose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 10 hours ago, Gee_Simpson said: After comparing the other 3 Benchmarks to the Ryzens, my i9 9900k mostly keeps up or sometimes betters them up until the last Benchmark. I don't ever run full detail anyway, so it doesn't bother me much really. Only in Bench D the Ryzens have a considerable advantage. This is very much what I expected going in to this but the difference is this year that I think the gap is getting very small indeed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScrambledEgg Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 33 minutes ago, Brother Ben said: I however lost out badly in the silicon lottery on my 4670k and can only get it stable at 4.1ghz. Annoying but that's the way it goes I suppose Yeah it's probably the first CPU I've been able to get anything meaningful out of, I did forget to mention the AIO pump and fan ramp up a bit when overclocked and under load though, a bit louder than I can put up with if I'm having a marathon FM session. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylan.gangat Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Type: Custom Build Model: Desktop CPU Model: AMD Ryzen 5 3500X CPU Base Frequency: 3.6GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.1GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 3200 mhz GPU: Nvidia GeForce RTX 2060 Graphics Level in 3D: Very High Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A: 02:12 Benchmark B: 09:23 Benchmark C: 13:56 Benchmark D: 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, ScrambledEgg said: Yeah it's probably the first CPU I've been able to get anything meaningful out of, I did forget to mention the AIO pump and fan ramp up a bit when overclocked and under load though, a bit louder than I can put up with if I'm having a marathon FM session. It's a balancing act At the moment I play mostly on my commute with a Windows tablet, so I've basically got 4 systems but I have to tailor my set up to my weakest system - the tablet but i think i'm going to have to maybe have 2 saves on the go as i'm really getting the itch to build another rig 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieTC13 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I am going to run the test again with an all core overclock of 5ghz from 4.8ghz just to see if it will be any better I will post the results as a comparison 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 Going to start the spreadsheet tomorrow folks, thanks for all the results so far 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScrambledEgg Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 This was a fun little experiment, result nothing to write home about though...clock speed is just too low on these server CPUs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, ScrambledEgg said: This was a fun little experiment, result nothing to write home about though...clock speed is just too low on these server CPUs. Can't wait to see benchmark D on a server CPU 190Gb of RAM though Might need its own section on my spreadsheet Edited November 30, 2020 by Brother Ben Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
judicious Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) Type: Laptop Model: MSI GS66 Stealth CPU Model: i7 - 10750H CPU Base Frequency: 2.6GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 5.00 GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 2666Mhz GPU: NVIDIA RTX 2060 - 6GB Graphics Level in 3D: High Storage Type: SSD OS: Windows 10 Home 64-bit Benchmark A: 03 min 00 Sec Benchmark B: 13 min 44 Sec Benchmark C: 18 min 56 Sec I must admit I was expecting better results for this laptop, especially since having browsed through the thread I found SBII's results below which are a lot better. I know the GPU is different and that on paper the RTX 2070 Max-Q is better than the RTX 2060 but my understanding is there is very little in it so any ideas as to the difference in results? Also my (admittedly limited) understanding of how this works is that the GPU should have minimal influence on holidaying in game. On 27/11/2020 at 16:37, SBII said: Type: Laptop Model: MSI GS66 CPU Model: i7-10750H CPU Base Frequency: 2.6 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 5.0 GHz RAM: 16 GB RAM Clockspeed: 2666 Mhz GPU: Intel Iris 6100 - RTX 2070 Max-Q Graphics Level in 3D: Very High Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A: 2 min 8 sec Benchmark B: 9 min 25 sec Benchmark C: 13 min 9 sec Edited December 1, 2020 by judicious Typo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff EdL Posted December 1, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted December 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, judicious said: Type: Laptop Model: MSI GS66 Stealth CPU Model: i7 - 10750H CPU Base Frequency: 2.6GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 5.00 GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 2666Mhz GPU: NVIDIA RTX 2060 - 6GB Graphics Level in 3D: High Storage Type: SSD OS: Windows 10 Home 64-bit Benchmark A: 03 min 00 Sec Benchmark B: 13 min 44 Sec Benchmark C: 18 min 56 Sec I must admit I was expecting better results for this laptop, especially since having browsed through the thread I found SBII's results below which are a lot better. I know the GPU is different and that on paper the RTX 2070 Max-Q is better than the RTX 2060 but my understanding is there is very little in it so any ideas as to the difference in results? Also my (admittedly limited) understanding of how this works is that the GPU should have minimal influence on holidaying in game. GPU has zero effect. I'd say if an equivalent CPU is besting you things to look at overheating (i.e. do your fans need cleaning out), are you in the correct power plan to try and make syure the CPU is getting maximum juice and things like chipset drivers being upto date 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
judicious Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, EdL said: GPU has zero effect. I'd say if an equivalent CPU is besting you things to look at overheating (i.e. do your fans need cleaning out), are you in the correct power plan to try and make syure the CPU is getting maximum juice and things like chipset drivers being upto date That's what I thought re the GPU. My fans are definitely clean as this is quite a new laptop and I've barely used it and I only use it on my laptop tray. Also using the extreme performance power plan and all chipset drivers are up to date so completely stumped as to what could be causing the issue! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBII Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, judicious said: That's what I thought re the GPU. My fans are definitely clean as this is quite a new laptop and I've barely used it and I only use it on my laptop tray. Also using the extreme performance power plan and all chipset drivers are up to date so completely stumped as to what could be causing the issue! Hmm. Have you switched to "Ultimate Performance" in Power Options? EDIT: So i have hust redone test A and this time it was a little slower at 2:17 minutes. but still somewhat faster that your gs66. This is how i has set up my laptop for the test: User scenario: Extreme performance (with the GPU overclocked, but it shouldn't matter?) Power plan: Ultimate Performance Gaming Mode: ON Other than that i have limited the framerate to 60 fps. i dont know if this help with the temperature and leads to a little less thermal throtteling? Edited December 1, 2020 by SBII Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee_Simpson Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Brother Ben said: This is very much what I expected going in to this but the difference is this year that I think the gap is getting very small indeed I agree. Intel is getting harder and harder to recommend now, Ryzens are great value for money as things stand. Intel need to get their act together. Edited December 1, 2020 by Gee_Simpson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee_Simpson Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 I've done my own internal tests, and despite FM21 having faster saving and load times, FM21 has no advantage over FM20 in processing speed which was a little disappointing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScrambledEgg Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 4 hours ago, judicious said: That's what I thought re the GPU. My fans are definitely clean as this is quite a new laptop and I've barely used it and I only use it on my laptop tray. Also using the extreme performance power plan and all chipset drivers are up to date so completely stumped as to what could be causing the issue! Look for any background apps that may be using resources - strangely my OneDrive is always using loads of CPU at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScrambledEgg Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Gee_Simpson said: I agree. Intel is getting harder and harder to recommend now, Ryzens are great value for money as things stand. Intel need to get their act together. Just the availability isn’t great though otherwise I’d have built a Ryzen system, Intel 11th gen desktop CPUs are released early in 2021 so we’ll probably see them back at the top of the performance charts for real world usage (ie not just synthetic benchmarks). Really good for consumers that the competition between AMD and Intel is so good though finally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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