Popular Post sporadicsmiles Posted December 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) Well, it is that time of the year again to continue to prepare this monster of a file for release. In brief, the aim of this file to to give accurate rosters and competitions for as many African nations as I can manage (and as accurate as I can get it, not being an expert but rather an enthusiast). I will copy the OP from the FM20 thread, and just edit as appropriate as an introduction for anyone unfamiliar with this project. It is now 3 years in the making! An introduction to my goals. This is a file I have been working on for a around 5 years now. It was first released in FM19, extended in FM20 and I plan to polish it in FM21. One of the things you can notice about Football Manager is that certain areas are not very well represented in FM (for obvious commercial reasons, mostly), but which are historically hotbeds of football. For me, the main one has always been Africa. Think of the number of African players who have made a huge name for themselves playing in Europe. My vision was to bring FM to Africa properly. This does not just mean activating leagues in the editor and releasing them immediately. I wanted to get the correct teams, in the correct leagues, with authentic rules. And most importantly, with the correct players. The main thing I wanted was accurate rosters for every team I have added. This is because often the roster in the FM DB is a hot mess for countries that are not included in the game by default. Often very out of date, with many young players missing, and older players not having been retired. Here is a summary of what the file will include. 10 nations have been completely updated with correct rosters, league rules, fixture rules, etc. These are: Algeria, Egypt, Ghana, Morocco, Tunisia, Nigeria, DR Congo, Sudan , Cameroon and Angola. This choice is based on how easily I can find information about squads for all players in the top division. I have removed 2nd divisions from my planned first release, since it seems a lot of structural changes have happened, and covid has made rules complicated, so I want to get the top divisions working. I will still update rosters for Moroccan and Algerian second division teams (which were present before). The top division and main domestic cup has been added for each of these leagues. I have tried to ensure the dates and rules are accurate. I do not have any intention to extend this to lower leagues yet, although this may be a future goal. Every team has a correct roster (correct on the date I did it anyway). Where possible, this includes contract details. By correct, I mean based on the info I can find online. This can be outdated or wrong. If it is, please tell me. I am only as accurate as my sources, and I want to be as accurate as possible. All created players have position set, and have been assigned a CA and PA value based on the spread of ranges in the current squad. This is not the most accurate, but is better than letting the AI randomly assign values when you create a game. Free agents have also been pruned to remove those who have retired, and several duplicate players in the database (if you find any, tell me). Managers have also been added to team to be a realistic as possible. Finances have been set to realistic levels so they should not balloon unrealistically. Prize money is set according to the information I can find online. Again, where this is inaccurate and you have proper numbers for me, I would love to hear. Same goes for any rules I have wrong. What this file does not include (yet). I have not looked at teams outside of the top division. So promoted teams will not have accurate rosters. This could lead to some of them getting outclassed (depending on what their initial roster is like). This is something I will look to address this year. I have not added player history. This is a huge undertaking, so I have left off for now. It is probably not a path I am doing to go down, it will be boring and a huge amount of work. This is something I will never address, I have neither the time nor the motivation. I have not touched the staff, except the manager. Mostly because I find it difficult to find accurate information. I did not change the CA/PA of players already in the database. I have no idea how accurate this information actually is. What I also plan to add that is new this year. This year is a polishing year. I had a lot of wonderful feedback and was given a lot of information for the FM20 iteration. My aim is to integrate this into the file. This means initially I will not be looking to add more leagues. I want to make what we have be as good as it can be, and then I will assess where I should head next. So this list is short. Roster updates, league rule updates, and dealing with any oddities in the league system caused by covid will be the priority. Can I help? Actually, one thing I really would like to know is if there are any big changes to leagues and their structure because of covid19 and how they are going to resolve in the future. For example, I know that the Algerian D1 has extended to 20 teams, and the second division to two groups of 18 teams. This is a lot different to last year. Is this permanent? Are they going to reshuffle them to get back to 16 teams in the top flight with uneven relegation? Any information you can provide me on things like this is massively appreciated. Installation There are two files, both of which are quite obvious. "Africa Extended Leagues v1p4.fmf" contains the league data. "Africa Extended DB changes v1.fmf" contains all the changes to the players. These two files are entirely independent in principle, you can either or both. The player file only has player changes and should be compatible with almost any other file if you just want to add players. Put both in your editor data folder (Documents/Sports Interactive/football manager 2021/editor data/). When you start a new game, select which of the files you want to include. UPDATE. Leagues have been updated for 21.4. I have left a version of the file for 21.1.1, 21.3 and 21.4 (it should be fairly explanatory) so you can take your pick which database you want to work. Cameroon is still being weird in the league selection screen, but it works fine. Still cannot work out what is going on there, I have clearly done something wrong with default level but I cannot for the life of me see what it is. Player file now updated. There has been a general update to Algeria and DR Congo as well, using files supplied by Kanwulf and UnitedJoshdom. Huge gratitude on my part for that, they have helped improve the file with their better knowledge! As always, report any errors you find to me. I try to find all duplicates but it is complicated if they are not in the same team or have slightly different name variants. Special thanks to: @Kanwulf for their help and adding players in Algeria. @UnitedJoshdom for the help, advice and adding players for DR Congo. Africa Extended DB changes v3.fmf Africa Extended Leagues for 21p1p1.fmf Africa Extended Leagues for 21p3.fmf Africa Extended Leagues for 21p4.fmf Edited March 21, 2021 by sporadicsmiles updated the files, again. 29 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
petepompei Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 I look forward to this, I played with the file you made for FM20 and it was really good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted December 11, 2020 Author Share Posted December 11, 2020 I just came across this website, which looks like a potential goldmine. https://www.footballcritic.com/ Has anyone used it before? For any purpose? And can comment on its potential reliability compared to transfermarkt (which I am currently using most of the time). I want to get the opinion of others before launching into anything using it. There seems to be a lot of info on leagues I have not been able to find info on before. But no idea how up to date it is. So then the question becomes would people be willing to accept potential inaccuracies here for more nations? Or do we think it will bring any more inaccuracies than my current methods? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number seven Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Not used it, but looks good. With the amount of work you do, I think people should accept inaccuricies. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 18 hours ago, Number seven said: With the amount of work you do, I think people should accept inaccuricies. It is my own perfectionism as much as anything else! But I agree, it looks decent so I will use this website in my efforts! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
majesticeternity Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 2 hours ago, sporadicsmiles said: It is my own perfectionism as much as anything else! Here here! lol 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted December 16, 2020 Author Share Posted December 16, 2020 Does anyone know what is happening with the Ligue 1 and Ligue 2 in Algeria in 2021/2022? I know that at the end of the 20/21 season Ligue 1 is reducing from 20 to 18 teams. I get the impression that Ligue 2 is also reducing in team numbers, probably to 16 per league (although it is hard to find info on D3A, so that is a bit of guess work. So can anyone tell me what is happening here so I can faithfully reproduce it, or give me a link to something that explains the plan going forward? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
majesticeternity Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 10 hours ago, sporadicsmiles said: Does anyone know what is happening with the Ligue 1 and Ligue 2 in Algeria in 2021/2022? I know that at the end of the 20/21 season Ligue 1 is reducing from 20 to 18 teams. I get the impression that Ligue 2 is also reducing in team numbers, probably to 16 per league (although it is hard to find info on D3A, so that is a bit of guess work. So can anyone tell me what is happening here so I can faithfully reproduce it, or give me a link to something that explains the plan going forward? For Ligue 2: I'm not sure, where did you find that it will be 16 per league at end of 2021/2022? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020–21_Algerian_Ligue_2 mentions "and the first under its current format." Also, https://knptm5qkwo7kmrjmuwftv3nqw4--lnf-amateur-dz.translate.goog/2020/12/15/championnat-de-ligue-2-le-mjs-saisit-la-faf/ says "Note that thirty-six clubs make up the new Ligue 2 which will be managed by the National Amateur Football League (LNFA)" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_Ligue_2 says "In the 2020-21 season, the level returned to it amateur format and will be played between 36 teams in two groups of 18 teams" So you mean the info you found its that it's going to change again after only 1 season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted December 16, 2020 Author Share Posted December 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, majesticeternity said: For Ligue 2: I'm not sure, where did you find that it will be 16 per league at end of 2021/2022? I cannot remember either, and cannot find it again! it is a mystery. Unless there is going to be some playoff the number of relegated teams from Ligue 1 is not going to match the promoted teams from any of the info I found. So that means the relegation/promotion from D2A and D3A are also not going to match up in 20/21 as well, to maintain the numbers. The French wikipedia notes that there are 6 relegation spots, for each pool in D2A, which is a lot. So to me it was not clear if there was going to be a shift to fewer teams or not in 21/22. Or if numbers are maintained. Irritatingly there are no updated league format documents on the Algeria FA website, At least I did not see it, the league regulations are for last season still. Either way I am going to have to make special rules for this season, since LIgue 1 definitely looks to be reducing to 18 teams. This is why I wanted some confirmation to make sure I am reading the info I can find right. I do not want to mess around with making multiple competition rules for different years if I can avoid it. I have already decided that I am going to avoid the late starting dates imposed by Covid for all the leagues just to make my life a bit easier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanwulf Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 I’ve just finished updating all teams in the official SI database for Egypt so thankfully you’ll have no extra work for this nation at all in future. And we also have a great AR for Morocco now too which will hopefully mean minimal work there too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanwulf Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Btw, for any of the Arabic speaking countries in North Africa (also Mauritania and Sudan) I’d recommend this website: https://www.kooora.com Its an Arabic language website, but google translate works easily enough. They have an English language version of the site, but there isn’t nearly as much news articles on there as there is for the Arabic one. But for league structures it should work. The English version is https://www.goalzz.com 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted December 21, 2020 Author Share Posted December 21, 2020 8 hours ago, Kanwulf said: I’ve just finished updating all teams in the official SI database for Egypt so thankfully you’ll have no extra work for this nation at all in future. And we also have a great AR for Morocco now too which will hopefully mean minimal work there too Wonderful news! I look forward already to having to delete loads of duplicates . This is great though because it will allow me to focus my efforts on some of the nations I have not had time to get to yet. Sub-Saharan African needs some love from me in FM21 I think. 7 hours ago, Kanwulf said: Btw, for any of the Arabic speaking countries in North Africa (also Mauritania and Sudan) I’d recommend this website: https://www.kooora.com Its an Arabic language website, but google translate works easily enough. They have an English language version of the site, but there isn’t nearly as much news articles on there as there is for the Arabic one. But for league structures it should work. The English version is https://www.goalzz.com That's great to know, thanks. I will look at it. Worst case is I just release it as I see it now, and wait for someone to play the game and come correct me! The best way to find an answer online is to give the wrong answer after all. An update on where I am up to, too. Algeria and Ghana are now fully up-to-date. I think I got a lot more player info for Ghana this year as well, felt like I added a lot of players there. Most teams have a full roster this time. I'm currently working my way through Nigeria, which is either already pretty up to date from last year, or has also had some love from SI because I am not having to change much. Which speeds things up. Then I will go to Sudan, sort that out. IIRC, Tunisia, Morocco, Egypt and DRC are all getting some official work done, so I am not going to touch that until we get the data update. So perhaps I will be able to get one of Cameroon, Ivory Coast, Congo, Zimbabwe, or whichever nation people would really like to see ready for when I release. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenTriangle Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) On 16/12/2020 at 09:05, sporadicsmiles said: Does anyone know what is happening with the Ligue 1 and Ligue 2 in Algeria in 2021/2022? I know that at the end of the 20/21 season Ligue 1 is reducing from 20 to 18 teams. I get the impression that Ligue 2 is also reducing in team numbers, probably to 16 per league (although it is hard to find info on D3A, so that is a bit of guess work. So can anyone tell me what is happening here so I can faithfully reproduce it, or give me a link to something that explains the plan going forward? The decision to change the entire pyramid was made before the pandemic (in September 2019) : http://www.faf.dz/modalites-daccession-et-de-retrogradation/ http://www.faf.dz/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Modalités-daccessions-et-de-rétrogradations-converti.pdf Subsequently, another decision was made by which the system was adapted to the special situation caused by the pandemic. But the initial decision (that from September) was not annulled but only postponed. Probably another decision regarding the full observance of the 2019 decision or its modification will be taken only in the summer of 2021. July 2020 decision : http://www.dzfoot.com/2020/07/28/lfp-vers-une-saison-a-20-clubs-de-ligue-1-185574.php http://www.faf.dz/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Annexe-.pdf Edited December 22, 2020 by GreenTriangle 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share Posted December 22, 2020 5 hours ago, GreenTriangle said: The decision to change the entire pyramid was made before the pandemic (in September 2019) : http://www.faf.dz/modalites-daccession-et-de-retrogradation/ http://www.faf.dz/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Modalités-daccessions-et-de-rétrogradations-converti.pdf Subsequently, another decision was made by which the system was adapted to the special situation caused by the pandemic. But the initial decision (that from September) was not annulled but only postponed. Probably another decision regarding the full observance of the 2019 decision or its modification will be taken only in the summer of 2021. July 2020 decision : http://www.dzfoot.com/2020/07/28/lfp-vers-une-saison-a-20-clubs-de-ligue-1-185574.php http://www.faf.dz/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Annexe-.pdf That is exactly what I was looking for but could not find! So no news yet for next season, in which case I will just leave as is for this season and deal with it once there is an announcement. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cel1234 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Will Cameroon be in this please, as it didnt make FM20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, cel1234 said: Will Cameroon be in this please, as it didnt make FM20 I'll do my best. If I do get to add a new nation before release, I'll make it Cameroon! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cel1234 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 36 minutes ago, sporadicsmiles said: I'll do my best. If I do get to add a new nation before release, I'll make it Cameroon! Excellent thankyou Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dillonbarrett1997 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 (edited) Looking forward to this! Can’t wait to start my Sudanese adventure. Any way you can make the second division playable just so I can make it little more realistic/enjoyable for my save. Thank you for all your work! Edited December 24, 2020 by dillonbarrett1997 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted December 24, 2020 Author Share Posted December 24, 2020 2 hours ago, dillonbarrett1997 said: Looking forward to this! Can’t wait to start my Sudanese adventure. Any way you can make the second division playable just so I can make it little more realistic/enjoyable for my save. Thank you for all your work! I do not have any plans to activate the second division in Sudan at the moment. It is extremely difficult to get proper player info for those teams. However I do plan to release the player and league portions of the game as separate files. So that way you could use the player file only along with another file which has lower leagues of Sudan active. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khrayze Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 (edited) Love your work man Edited December 24, 2020 by Khrayze 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stantoner Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Sweet, I was just looking through the forum for something like this. I feel Africa is left out a bit on this game when a good number of Africans play around the world. Next time I start a save I'll be giving this a go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 Hi all, another update from me. I am still chugging along with the edits. I am planning to coincide the release with the winter DB update, as there will be some changes to a few of the nations I include here, so I am holding off on going through those countries until I have the final DB. Saves me a bunch of time and effort. On the plus side, I think this leaves me with Nigeria to finish off (where it feels the DB has been expanded significantly, which is great) and Sudan. This should give me plenty of opportunity to try to add one more nation (Cameroon) for release. I know this is probably not news you all want to hear if you are waiting to start a save with this file, but on the plus side you will not be tempted to restart with the data update! 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weedman582 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Great work man! I will patiently wait for the release Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
karanhsingh Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Nice one! Any plans for ivory coast? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted January 9, 2021 Author Share Posted January 9, 2021 19 minutes ago, karanhsingh said: Nice one! Any plans for ivory coast? They are definitely on my to do list. Perhaps for FM21, but I do not want to commit to anything at the moment. But For sure Cameroon and Ivory Coast are probably the next two. I want to look at Zimbabwe and perhaps some East Africa after that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orphio22 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Are you using data from sortitoutsi? If so, I'm going to try and update Nigeria up there as best as I can Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted January 12, 2021 Author Share Posted January 12, 2021 14 hours ago, orphio22 said: Are you using data from sortitoutsi? If so, I'm going to try and update Nigeria up there as best as I can I'm getting it from various sources around the internet. Websites that have team rosters, and sometimes even the team website itself. Nigeria actually seems to be in a not too terrible state. At least there seems to be a lot of players in the database already at the correct club. Admittedly it is hard for me to differentiate between changes I have made in the past and changes that come with DB updates these days. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj44fa Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 On 11/12/2020 at 18:28, sporadicsmiles said: I just came across this website, which looks like a potential goldmine. https://www.footballcritic.com/ Has anyone used it before? For any purpose? And can comment on its potential reliability compared to transfermarkt (which I am currently using most of the time). I want to get the opinion of others before launching into anything using it. There seems to be a lot of info on leagues I have not been able to find info on before. But no idea how up to date it is. So then the question becomes would people be willing to accept potential inaccuracies here for more nations? Or do we think it will bring any more inaccuracies than my current methods? I assume you have used the Soccerway app? Normally very accurate for smaller nations regarding teams, rosters etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 14 hours ago, rj44fa said: I assume you have used the Soccerway app? It is one of the things I use. I try to get as many different sources as possible. Transfermarkt is another I use, which is accurate but usually not updated a lot (as far as I can tell). There are other things like globalsportarchieve as well. And if I am being particularly dedicated I will try to use official club websites. I use soccerway to try to understand league structures that I cannot find explained elsewhere all the time though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 More updates. I have finished updating Sudan, and that means I just have to wait for the DB update, which will provide updates for the rest of the leagues and I can update the file to accommodate these, remove duplicates, and make sure the final rosters are as correct as possible. So we are on track for a release around the same time as the winter transfer update. I do not know exactly when, I will still need to make changes to the file, but hopefully it will not be a huge amount of work to do there. I am going to start updating the league systems and testing these to make sure everything is working properly. I can imagine I will provide an update to this once I get feedback too, to make sure everything is accurate in terms of league rules (there are always people who know these structures in more detail than me who always provide me great feedback). I am extremely busy with work at the moment as well, so I have no got a huge amount of time to do edits. Much of my work is at a computer these days, rather than in the lab, so editing on FM is not the same change of pace it used to be. It is nice to take a break from the computer after a day of work than than sit at it. Nevertheless it is still likely I will get the time to add Cameroon before the full release. I do not know how well the current DB is for Cameroon, so if it is already quite good it will be relatively easy to do. After that, it is going to be time to take stock of where this file goes next. It is starting to become a mammoth job to update it properly, and the work load gets higher with every nation or league that is included. My aim is still to cover the major leagues in Africa. Nations that regularly provide top class players who end up in Europe, who are always competitive at World Cups, ANC, and whose teams regularly participate in the latter stages of the African Champion's League (although that is already pretty much done). The nations I think we are still missing are: Ivory Coast Senegal Mali Zimbabwe The first three are countries that are included for obvious reasons - good players, competitive teams. Zimbabwe would be an expansion into Southern Africa. I would also like to expand into Eastern Africa with at least one country. Kenya or Ethiopia perhaps, or Uganda is this counts as East Africa. The other nations that are also on my radar. Angola Zambia Guinea Libya (that would be all of the Mediterranean countries added then). And of course it will depend what people want to see included. I doubt this file is ever going to contain players for all African nations, this is simply an impossible task. So I think the future expansion direction of the file will depend on what people are interested in seeing, and we can decide that together. The other option, of course, is to add more breadth by looking at adding some of the second divisions in the nations we have pyramids rather than single leagues in each country. That depends on the structures though. For example I am not hugely enthusiastic with dealing with leagues that have 36 teams in them (I'm looking at you, Algeria). 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orphio22 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Do you take donations, mon ami? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 hours ago, orphio22 said: Do you take donations, mon ami? I do not, although thanks for the offer. I'd rather any money people wanted to give go to a footballing charity. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nahuelzn Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I'm about to start a save game with Tanzania. The first division is completely made with correct rosters for this season (and more than 600 pictures)! I also have edited some teams in the second division, but some data is old or even some players were placed in other clubs. I'm more than happy to share it once I finish it (I think this week) so you can add it to the patch. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 On 02/02/2021 at 04:27, Nahuelzn said: I'm about to start a save game with Tanzania. The first division is completely made with correct rosters for this season (and more than 600 pictures)! I also have edited some teams in the second division, but some data is old or even some players were placed in other clubs. I'm more than happy to share it once I finish it (I think this week) so you can add it to the patch. That would be absolutely incredible, I would be more than happy to add this. Thank you so much! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedJoshdom Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 @Nahuelzn You know, if that data is good it could be useful with the team. If you have good pictures, they could be very useful to the guys at Sortitoutsi. Just in case you wanted to make your research have a wider effect! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andresimoes8 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Em 25/01/2021 em 10:52, sporadicsmiles disse: More updates. I have finished updating Sudan, and that means I just have to wait for the DB update, which will provide updates for the rest of the leagues and I can update the file to accommodate these, remove duplicates, and make sure the final rosters are as correct as possible. So we are on track for a release around the same time as the winter transfer update. I do not know exactly when, I will still need to make changes to the file, but hopefully it will not be a huge amount of work to do there. I am going to start updating the league systems and testing these to make sure everything is working properly. I can imagine I will provide an update to this once I get feedback too, to make sure everything is accurate in terms of league rules (there are always people who know these structures in more detail than me who always provide me great feedback). I am extremely busy with work at the moment as well, so I have no got a huge amount of time to do edits. Much of my work is at a computer these days, rather than in the lab, so editing on FM is not the same change of pace it used to be. It is nice to take a break from the computer after a day of work than than sit at it. Nevertheless it is still likely I will get the time to add Cameroon before the full release. I do not know how well the current DB is for Cameroon, so if it is already quite good it will be relatively easy to do. After that, it is going to be time to take stock of where this file goes next. It is starting to become a mammoth job to update it properly, and the work load gets higher with every nation or league that is included. My aim is still to cover the major leagues in Africa. Nations that regularly provide top class players who end up in Europe, who are always competitive at World Cups, ANC, and whose teams regularly participate in the latter stages of the African Champion's League (although that is already pretty much done). The nations I think we are still missing are: Ivory Coast Senegal Mali Zimbabwe The first three are countries that are included for obvious reasons - good players, competitive teams. Zimbabwe would be an expansion into Southern Africa. I would also like to expand into Eastern Africa with at least one country. Kenya or Ethiopia perhaps, or Uganda is this counts as East Africa. The other nations that are also on my radar. Angola Zambia Guinea Libya (that would be all of the Mediterranean countries added then). And of course it will depend what people want to see included. I doubt this file is ever going to contain players for all African nations, this is simply an impossible task. So I think the future expansion direction of the file will depend on what people are interested in seeing, and we can decide that together. The other option, of course, is to add more breadth by looking at adding some of the second divisions in the nations we have pyramids rather than single leagues in each country. That depends on the structures though. For example I am not hugely enthusiastic with dealing with leagues that have 36 teams in them (I'm looking at you, Algeria). Great effort! Can't wait to try your update. Angola seems like a good shot, strong connection with Portugal, every year many players go to Portuguese second and third tier, and if they are really good even first tier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted February 22, 2021 Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 Well, this morning I managed to take a look at Cameroon. The current DB already seems to be in a better condition than I can do without extensive research, so I have just tidied it up a little bit (added PA/CA, positions and DOB) but left it alone. On 17/02/2021 at 23:29, andresimoes8 said: Angola seems like a good shot, strong connection with Portugal, every year many players go to Portuguese second and third tier, and if they are really good even first tier. I took a quick look at Angola and it seems to be the same as Cameroon. In a very good state already with minimal changes required. Although everyone being referred to by a single name makes it a pain in the ass for checking players! But if this is the case I suspect I can include Angola too. Well, add the league in, since the I cannot see myself having to make any changes. So it seems likely Cameroon and Angola will be included in the initial release. With coming updates, maybe this file will become obsolete! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) The winter patch dropped, so I will begin to finalise this file and remove the huge number of duplicates that now exist. This is great news as it means the official DB is catching up to this file! Edit: And you guys may be happy to know I have a 5 day weekend starting on Friday. Good timing SI. Edited February 23, 2021 by sporadicsmiles 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sporadicsmiles Posted February 26, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 26, 2021 Good news to all those who patiently waited. The whole thing is ready for use. Spent a good chunk of my time removing all the duplicates from the update, and I think I got them all. - All 8 nations previously return. I have chopped the 2nd division from Algeria and Tunisia, as the rules have changed in both. I may look at sorting these out again in the future. - To compensate this, Cameroon and Angola have been added. I cannot find any reliable info on either domestic cup competition in either nation, so if you know how it works and the dates, PM me and I can add those. This would have also included the Cote d'Ivoire, but they only finalised their league structure yesterday so let's leave off on that! - All rosters are up to date at the time I did them. I did not go through every team again after the January update. - I honestly did not spend a huge amount of time on league rules. I tried to make sure they are as realistic as possible, but I cannot guarantee there are no inaccuracies there. Feel free to use the leagues I made, or mix and match with other leagues you can find on the board. I know there is a thread from a guy who is making leagues with accurate rules which you can check out as well. Honestly, this has been a bit of a slog this year. Well, more the year has been a bit of a slog. I have had my own personal struggles, as some of you know, but it is good to get this thing out and ready for everyone to play. I want to thank everyone who has contributed to this file with info and advice. As always, let me know if there are any pressing issues that really need fixing. Particularly if you find any duplicate players. I think I have them all, but every version a few slip through the cracks (usually when the name I gave and the name in the official DB are not perfectly matching). 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
omarsorto6 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 I was debating if I should start a new save or not because of the update this convinced me to do it thank you for all time and work u put in this 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 1 minute ago, omarsorto6 said: I was debating if I should start a new save or not because of the update this convinced me to do it thank you for all time and work u put in this I hope you enjoy! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
omnivore Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Thanks for doing this, super excited to dive in. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jogo Bonito Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Before even going in to this file, I just wanted to say a huge thanks for your time and effort (not just this year). I have very strong ongoing African connections and work like yours has to be commended as I know accuracy of information in Africa (not just football) is very hard to obtain. One day hopefully FM can reflect Africa in a much better way, and it will be incredible. Of course the best way to do that is information exchange and via the original database, but if that can't be done then your own work and those of others like @UnitedJoshdomthat have helped out in here is massively important. Thanks again and respect to you. @NahuelznI never expected anyone to make an accurate roster for Tanzania and feel somewhat ashamed that I have never done anything to help on that front. Very interested to see that incorporated in to these files at some point if you both agree. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 3 hours ago, Jogo Bonito said: Before even going in to this file, I just wanted to say a huge thanks for your time and effort (not just this year). I have very strong ongoing African connections and work like yours has to be commended as I know accuracy of information in Africa (not just football) is very hard to obtain. One day hopefully FM can reflect Africa in a much better way, and it will be incredible. Of course the best way to do that is information exchange and via the original database, but if that can't be done then your own work and those of others like @UnitedJoshdomthat have helped out in here is massively important. Thanks again and respect to you. @NahuelznI never expected anyone to make an accurate roster for Tanzania and feel somewhat ashamed that I have never done anything to help on that front. Very interested to see that incorporated in to these files at some point if you both agree. Thank you. I definitely put a huge amount of effort into this. And I too would like to thank the guys who put the effort in to the update of the database for the latest database update. The database is in such a better state than when I started this project. The game may never include a lot of African leagues, but the database is so much better than it was before. So thanks to the guys who did that, and SI for making the effort. I hope to continue to do this for the foreseeable future. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Krakatoa Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) how do i know if these files are able to run with other league expansion fmf? edit : i forgot to say thanks a lot i've been waiting this for so long and now i cannot wait to explore Africa and do a journeyman i never before Edited February 27, 2021 by Captain Krakatoa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted February 27, 2021 Author Share Posted February 27, 2021 6 hours ago, Captain Krakatoa said: how do i know if these files are able to run with other league expansion fmf? The DB changes file should work with any league pack, since it contains edits to people only. The league will should work with any league pack, as long as you do not include files for the countries within my file. There is no reason why they will not work alongside other leagues though. If in doubt try to load the packs and holiday a season with one or two leagues to make sure everything is functional. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Krakatoa Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 When i choose Cameroon, the leagues slider is just blank, anyone facing same problem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucasnake Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Mate, can you reupload the previous leagues file, and leave it there as a option for those like me who prefer to play with the default database? Because the new one doesn't work with the default anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted February 27, 2021 Author Share Posted February 27, 2021 19 minutes ago, lucasnake said: Mate, can you reupload the previous leagues file, and leave it there as a option for those like me who prefer to play with the default database? Because the new one doesn't work with the default anymore. I'm not sure what you mean. You want a version for the 21.0 version of the game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted February 27, 2021 Author Share Posted February 27, 2021 29 minutes ago, Captain Krakatoa said: When i choose Cameroon, the leagues slider is just blank, anyone facing same problem? No, that does seem to happen, and I have no idea why. But the league will still be selected and loaded despite this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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