RealSmokePL Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) It's weird cause even if you get Liechtenstein up to 29th you'll start in 1st instead 2nd, 16nd or so should be 3rd qual round and 15th should be 3rd in Europa League 12th Play-off while 7th or so should be UEL Group stage But no matter how high you get them you always start in 1st round and it shouldn't be like this! Edited February 3, 2021 by RealSmokePL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealSmokePL Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 Also 55th team in the ranking gets only 1 team in Europa Conference League when it should be 2 51-55th have 3 teams . 1 UCL and 2 UECL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealSmokePL Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 Welp temporarily I found a somewhat fix which just changes the Liechtensteiners cups nation to Switzerland which actually makes the winner start in further rounds, unfortunately with this the round starts are tied to Switzerlands coefficient not Liechtensteins but it's some progress considering no-one from SI cares to reply...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kentonizking Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Try posting in the bugs forums maybe. I'm sure there is a category which covers Liechtenstein.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter G Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 I think no Liechtenstein club can qualify through the Swiss League, only from winning their cup which grants them access to the Europa League/Conference League. To win the Champions League they would have to win each competition in turn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealSmokePL Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 8 hours ago, Peter G said: I think no Liechtenstein club can qualify through the Swiss League, only from winning their cup which grants them access to the Europa League/Conference League. To win the Champions League they would have to win each competition in turn. That I know it's something else tho, pretty much they always start in 1st round even when Lichtenstein is high up the rankings which shoudn't be the case, couse at some point 15h the cup winner gets a UEL 3rd qualifying round which Liechtenstein doesn't and still stays at 1st round of UECL even 29-16 start in 2nd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealSmokePL Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 10 hours ago, kentonizking said: Try posting in the bugs forums maybe. I'm sure there is a category which covers Liechtenstein.... Thanks I'll try that too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealSmokePL Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 Welp they semi fixed it as the LC winner now will start in further rounds of the UECL if LIE goes up the ranking but still their only way of qualifying for UEL is via winning the UECL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion_ Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 On 04/02/2021 at 01:25, Peter G said: I think no Liechtenstein club can qualify through the Swiss League, only from winning their cup which grants them access to the Europa League/Conference League. To win the Champions League they would have to win each competition in turn. This. There are only 7 clubs registered in Lichtenstein so they can only get to Europa Qualifiers through winning Lichtenstein Cup (and not from league they are playing which is Swiss). That's one thing. Another thing is my assumption that they just set cup to be granting only Europa League spot straightforward without checking UEFA Coefficient for Lichtenstein. You should check for it in editor. On the other hand it was like this for quite a long time. This is foundation for Lichtenstein Challenge. It would make challenge much easier if you could qualify for UCL straight from Lichtenstein Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealSmokePL Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Orion_ said: This. There are only 7 clubs registered in Lichtenstein so they can only get to Europa Qualifiers through winning Lichtenstein Cup (and not from league they are playing which is Swiss). That's one thing. On the other hand it was like this for quite a long time. This is foundation for Lichtenstein Challenge. It would make challenge much easier if you could qualify for UCL straight from Lichtenstein Cup. Neither of those is what I mean though, I know they can't qualify thru the swiss league or for the ucl, I just mean that they can never even qualify for UEL (expect for winning the uecl) even though they should the moment they get to 15th + in the rankings, otherwise irl if this was the case than what would the point be of Liechtensteins coefficient to go up? (both in game and irl) Quote Another thing is my assumption that they just set cup to be granting only Europa League spot straightforward without checking UEFA Coefficient for Lichtenstein. You should check for it in editor. This is much more likely, it's most likely hard codded so that they only ever get a UECL spot without actually looking at the coefficients. Unfortunately there's nothing in the editor which indicates anything, both the UEL, UECL and LC rules don't give anything useful, so it must be hard codded. Atleast now there's a slight fix in the winter update where they start in further rounds of the UECL, not there yet but a big step forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion_ Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, RealSmokePL said: Unfortunately there's nothing in the editor which indicates anything, both the UEL, UECL and LC rules don't give anything useful, so it must be hard codded. Well I'm not that sure about that when I launched editor. It doesn't say anything special but if you choose any nation cup that allow winner going to Europa qualifiers it's not indicated either. On the other hand it might be actually hardcoded because there might be kind of issue since Liechtenstein teams are set in editor as Swiss. Maybe teams 'nationality' causes this weird behaviour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealSmokePL Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 Just now, Orion_ said: On the other hand it might be actually hardcoded because there might be kind of issue since Liechtenstein teams are set in editor as Swiss. Maybe teams 'nationality' causes this weird behaviour. I think the issue is just that the LC is hard codded and that all really, if we could get someone from SI to look at it, it would be useful. But I posted the same issue on the europe bugs section and no reply sadly. Quote Well I'm not that sure about that when I launched editor. It doesn't say anything special but if you choose any nation cup that allow winner going to Europa qualifiers it's not indicated either. But I'm not really sure what you mean by that? Nothing in the LC rules indicates anything "Note, I used the o'le trick of setting the comps Nation to a different ones than exported it, also this way the LC can have "Domestic Main Cup" set instead of just "Cup", though that doesn't make a difference either. Also this way the LC is separated from the Swiss stuff" UECL and UEL rules don't give anything useful either so qualification must be hard codded Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion_ Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) Aren't 'advanced rules' available only for custom database? Maybe someone added there also 'custom' Liechtenstein Cup and it's somehow broken? 9 hours ago, RealSmokePL said: But I'm not really sure what you mean by that? I mean that when I looked at Liechtenstein Cup under 'competition' section I didn't see anything that other domestic cups don't have. As I said I think it might be caused by country issue. Edited February 24, 2021 by Orion_ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealSmokePL Posted February 24, 2021 Author Share Posted February 24, 2021 3 hours ago, Orion_ said: Aren't 'advanced rules' available only for custom database? Maybe someone added there also 'custom' Liechtenstein Cup and it's somehow broken? I mean that when I looked at Liechtenstein Cup under 'competition' section I didn't see anything that other domestic cups don't have. As I said I think it might be caused by country issue. "Aren't 'advanced rules' available only for custom database?" Indeed they are but that doesn't cause any issues. "Maybe someone added there also 'custom' Liechtenstein Cup and it's somehow broken?" It's the default LC with no changes apart from it now being separated from the swiss database and is fully counted as a LIE comp, also Cup > Domestic Main Cup. I also made it so I fully know what was changed and what was left unchanged, 98% was left unchanged so no issues here. We're just gonna have to wait until FM 24 when SI finally decide to fix it and make it less hard codded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion_ Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 I know it's a tricky question but does it occur in Default database? The fact that you can't see in editor any difference doesn't mean that there is nothing added. If you just make it a new competition with in your opinion exactly the same features won't be the same in terms of competition id or something. For example Bilbao has transfer policy of signing only Basque players that is not visible from editor. Yet if you copy their team and put it in different league the rule will still apply for this country, example: move Athletic Bilbao to Germany and they will have transfer policy to sign only Germans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealSmokePL Posted February 24, 2021 Author Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Orion_ said: I know it's a tricky question but does it occur in Default database? The fact that you can't see in editor any difference doesn't mean that there is nothing added. If you just make it a new competition with in your opinion exactly the same features won't be the same in terms of competition id or something. For example Bilbao has transfer policy of signing only Basque players that is not visible from editor. Yet if you copy their team and put it in different league the rule will still apply for this country, example: move Athletic Bilbao to Germany and they will have transfer policy to sign only Germans. Very good example, but no unfortunately it's still the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion_ Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 hour ago, RealSmokePL said: Very good example, but no unfortunately it's still the same. Can you check cup id just for the sake of argument? In default database it's 98015063. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealSmokePL Posted February 24, 2021 Author Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Orion_ said: Can you check cup id just for the sake of argument? In default database it's 98015063. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion_ Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Well I look at it from different angle. Maybe it's hardcoded that way because it's up to UEFA rules? Check UEFA coefficient current ranking They are treated very differently due to their club number. All nations has at least 1 CL spot. Maybe they are meant to keep it that way? They way that Liechtenstein teams can compete in lowest European competition just because their teams have much easier route to reaching qualifiers than teams in other countries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micho21 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 En 23/2/2021 a las 14:54, RealSmokePL dijo: Welp they semi fixed it as the LC winner now will start in further rounds of the UECL if LIE goes up the ranking but still their only way of qualifying for UEL is via winning the UECL Do you know if this fix works for savegames or it's necessary to start a new one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealSmokePL Posted February 24, 2021 Author Share Posted February 24, 2021 31 minutes ago, Micho21 said: Do you know if this fix works for savegames or it's necessary to start a new one? I'm not sure, but usually these type of fixes require a new save. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealSmokePL Posted February 24, 2021 Author Share Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Orion_ said: Well I look at it from different angle. Maybe it's hardcoded that way because it's up to UEFA rules? Check UEFA coefficient current ranking They are treated very differently due to their club number. All nations has at least 1 CL spot. Maybe they are meant to keep it that way? They way that Liechtenstein teams can compete in lowest European competition just because their teams have much easier route to reaching qualifiers than teams in other countries. It's definitely hard codded, and yes they of course can never get a ucl spot due to not organizing their own league, but I'm pretty sure Uefa would put their Cup Winner in the UEL instead of UECL if they reached atleast place 15 in the coefficient ranking as that's how it's for the other countries so I don't see why that wouldn't be the case, let's hope SI look more into this. Edited February 24, 2021 by RealSmokePL fixed typo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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