Hazzaj Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 I'll give it a go if you need another for 24 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XuluBak Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 18 minutes ago, craigcwwe said: In these things there's usually a window, maybe 8 hours but during the night (UK) the timer isn't ticking. But of course, up to Gunman to decide, just that's how it usually works. Good to know. Thanks. 8 hours wouldn't be a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, XuluBak said: Good to know. Thanks. 8 hours wouldn't be a problem. Further to my previous post there's nothing stopping you from picking inside that window btw, just that the clock isn't ticking on you to make a pick. Edited May 14, 2021 by craigcwwe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XuluBak Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, craigcwwe said: There's nothing stopping you from picking inside that window btw, just that the clock is ticking on you to make a pick. I know. Just wanted to ensure the time limit wouldn't cause problems overnight (for me). 8 hours is more than enough margin. Edited May 14, 2021 by XuluBak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Not even looked what it's about but I'm in! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorg Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 I'm not sure I completely understand the rules but I'm happy to give it a go. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted May 14, 2021 Author Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) Ok now we have 26 people. To make the format easier, it's going to be a 32 team tournament, I'm sure we can find 6 more until Sunday. Usual knockout system. 26 players, need 6 more: Marius_R MaxeyN17 adhikapp Darius1998 managerdude_66 Haguey Yuko Harryseaess Sano sjg11 Butts Barry Cartman PaulHartman71 Citizen Kane Weezer SRL88 bestbrother trueblue.85 Scott1892 Crispypaul XuluBak craigcwwe Kawee Hazzaj Baptista_8 Jorg Edited May 14, 2021 by GunmaN1905 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuko Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 We're gonna run out of players to pick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Yikes 32 is a bit much innit? 352 players to draft... I'd probably run out of ideas by the time we get to round 5, and the tournament might be long done before this draft finishes Think 24 is the number. Sorry for guys #25 & #26 but theres gotta be a cut off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted May 14, 2021 Author Share Posted May 14, 2021 36 minutes ago, adhikapp said: Yikes 32 is a bit much innit? 352 players to draft... I'd probably run out of ideas by the time we get to round 5, and the tournament might be long done before this draft finishes Think 24 is the number. Sorry for guys #25 & #26 but theres gotta be a cut off That's why it's called average draft. As for the draft process, it would take too long for 32 people to pick just one player per round, so it's going to be 2 players per round, except for the first round where it's just usual 1 player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius1998 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Whoever goes at the beginning will find all of their choices taken by the time it gets back to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted May 14, 2021 Author Share Posted May 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, Darius1998 said: Whoever goes at the beginning will find all of their choices taken by the time it gets back to them. It has to be balanced out since there are more players. If it was just 1 player per round, then top10 picks would have huge advantage to get top players. But like this they can get their Cristiano or Crujiff, but then by the time it's back to them, others already have 3 players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vynal Seven Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 This is gonna be shambolic to epic proportions. I can’t wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sano Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 I've made a 140 player shortlist. I wonder if that's going to suffice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted May 14, 2021 Author Share Posted May 14, 2021 9 minutes ago, Vynal Seven said: This is gonna be shambolic to epic proportions. I can’t wait. If you don't particpate, you're officially banned from posting in this topic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vynal Seven Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 10 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said: If you don't particpate, you're officially banned from posting in this topic! Try clicking the official button again, I don’t think it worked... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Unless you've otherwise stated @GunmaN1905 what's the official line on picking defeated players' players? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, craigcwwe said: Unless you've otherwise stated @GunmaN1905 what's the official line on picking defeated players' players? Think he said you can take 1 if you can still meet the 1 nation and certain amount of winners and semi finalists quota with that player in and the other out 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 32 minutes ago, Sano said: I've made a 140 player shortlist. I wonder if that's going to suffice Might not last 5 rounds Im hoping there’s gonna be a lot of people picking players from the 80s and 90s as my knowledge on players doesn’t go much further back than 96 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuko Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 You can find a lot of good enough players, problem is, who will know of them? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted May 14, 2021 Author Share Posted May 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, craigcwwe said: Unless you've otherwise stated @GunmaN1905 what's the official line on picking defeated players' players? 2 players from your opponent, but you still have to keep your team within the rules, as PaulHartman said. Cmon, 6 more people. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sano Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) Another problem is that the first editions (until 1980) were played with only 4 teams so teams from that era all count as semi finalists Edited May 14, 2021 by Sano Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted May 14, 2021 Author Share Posted May 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sano said: Another problem is that the first editions (until 1980) were played with only 4 teams so they all count as semi finalists Those were like final-four tournaments, quarters and 8x4 groups were still played go get to semi-finals. For tournaments before 1980, you can pick players from any of 32 teams participating in groups that didn't advance to semis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuko Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 19 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said: Those were like final-four tournaments, quarters and 8x4 groups were still played go get to semi-finals. For tournaments before 1980, you can pick players from any of 32 teams participating in groups that didn't advance to semis. You're ruining the challenge If you want to enhance the selection, I'd put it to quarters and on. We had 32 FAs, 8 making it sounds ok when 50something FAs sent 16 teams and now 24. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted May 14, 2021 Author Share Posted May 14, 2021 15 minutes ago, Yuko said: You're ruining the challenge If you want to enhance the selection, I'd put it to quarters and on. We had 32 FAs, 8 making it sounds ok when 50something FAs sent 16 teams and now 24. I don't think it's that harsh combined with other rules. But we can make it quarter finals, because up until '96 it was just 8 teams. Which would make it only players who appeared in top8 up until 1996. With 2 winners and 3 more semi-finalists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden boy Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 I'll give this a go if there's still space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grff Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Yeah put me in if space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted May 15, 2021 Author Share Posted May 15, 2021 28, need for more for 32 team knockout format. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius_R Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 By the time we're at the final rounds of the pick, we'll fight each other for Latvian, Slovenian and C. I. S. players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted May 15, 2021 Author Share Posted May 15, 2021 58 minutes ago, Marius_R said: By the time we're at the final rounds of the pick, we'll fight each other for Latvian, Slovenian and C. I. S. players. You can even pick a certain member of the forum! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Marius_R said: By the time we're at the final rounds of the pick, we'll fight each other for Latvian, Slovenian and C. I. S. players. Tournament will be over, that's for sure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vynal Seven Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 hour ago, GunmaN1905 said: You can even pick a certain member of the forum! Organiser player naming? What a shambles! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius_R Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Vynal Seven said: Organiser player naming? What a shambles! He's still searching for his "officially banish Vynal Seven from the topic" button. Edited May 15, 2021 by Marius_R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vynal Seven Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 29 minutes ago, Marius_R said: He's still searching for his "officially banish Vynal Seven from the topic" button. Even if he could, the backlash from the masses would be on European SuperLeague proportions. Vynal throwing shade and mocking from the sidelines is a draft tradition that transcends the authority of any draft organiser. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzzza Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 (edited) In if there’s space @Gizzy just checked and saw I’m way too late so I’ll just keep an eye on how this goes! Enjoy! Edited May 15, 2021 by Muzzza Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 23 minutes ago, Muzzza said: In if there’s space @Gizzy just checked and saw I’m way too late so I’ll just keep an eye on how this goes! Enjoy! Think there's still space mate. @GunmaN1905 is running this one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted May 15, 2021 Author Share Posted May 15, 2021 24 minutes ago, Muzzza said: In if there’s space @Gizzy just checked and saw I’m way too late so I’ll just keep an eye on how this goes! Enjoy! It's 29 with you. Hopefully we get 3 more by tomorrow night for full 32. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 On further reflection, going to drop out of this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Go on then I’ll find some obscure theme to help pick 11 donkeys again as you can’t get numbers from ‘serious’ contenders. Might need to read the rules a few dozen more times first though 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuko Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 The problem we have with Euros that had 4 teams is that there is no actual squad for the quarter finalists that failed to reach it. And there's not that much data about the lineups and bench guys from those two games either. Isn't best to just use those 4 teams? @GunmaN1905 Maybe you can tweak the rules: 2 winners, 2 finalists, 2 semi-finalists and 5 others. Something like that, so that older generations aren't penalized as much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 I'd completely forgotten I entered this and after catching up on the posts from the last 3 days I'm even more confused than I was before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted May 16, 2021 Author Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) You probably already have 3 lineups ready. Looking at these historic tournaments now, it's too much of a chore to find who played when. But your suggestion is more or less the same as mine for final phases, just 1 extra semi-finalist. So I think we can go with this: Team rules: 1 player per nation 2 winners and 3 more semi-finalists For tournaments before 1980, you can select any player from nations that appeared in quarter finals since there are no official squad lists. (wiki pages have quarter-finals nations listed for 1960, 1964, 1968, 1972, 1976) For 1980 and after, you can select players from 23 man squads for those tournaments. Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, USSR: Picking a player from before the split excludes his primary nation and the union country.As I mentioned already, you can for example pick Blokhin, which would fill your USSR and Ukraine spots, but you could still pick someone from post-split Russia like Arshavin. Draft rules: Usual snake format draft, except that since there are more teams, we need to go faster. First round will be usual 1 player per team, then we switch to two players per round. 4h window, usual 8am-10pm times and since I want to be impartial, anyone who breaks the rules will have his player picked by the next player in draft. So you're at their mercy. They can pick Cristiano for you, or they can waste your England slot on Kieron Dyer. During knockouts, winners can take 2 players from the team they beat, but only if they still comply with the rules. Since craig dropped, we're still at 29. Draft will start tomorrow afternoon when I'm done with stuff I need to do for the day. If we get 32 players by then, great. If not, I have an idea. Edited May 16, 2021 by GunmaN1905 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 21 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said: anyone who breaks the rules will have his player picked by the next player in draft. So you're at their mercy. They can pick Cristiano for you, or they can waste your England slot on Kieron Dyer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 38 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said: waste your England slot on Kieron Dyer. Waste!!! Waste!!! How very dare you!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 This is so complicated and is going to be a shambles and I can't wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grff Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Haguey said: This is so complicated and is going to be a shambles and I can't wait. Yeah, it seems easier to understand the MLS salary/draft/transfer rules. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius1998 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 I spent a few seasons in the MLS in FM17 last year so I'm well prepared for this sort of convolution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 5 hours ago, Haguey said: This is so complicated and is going to be a shambles and I can't wait. It seems so complicated I’ve not even got a shortlist or anything Just going to wing it as would take an age to work out who’s won it, got to a Semi etc just going to double check before I make each pick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted May 16, 2021 Author Share Posted May 16, 2021 Since craig bottled it, we have 29 players so far. Marius_R MaxeyN17 adhikapp Darius1998 managerdude_66 Haguey Yuko Harryseaess Sano sjg11 Butts Barry Cartman PaulHartman71 Citizen Kane Weezer SRL88 bestbrother trueblue.85 Scott1892 Crispypaul XuluBak Kawee Hazzaj Baptista_8 Jorg The Golden Boy grff SouthCoastRed Muzzza I'm going to start the draft tomorrow afternoon when I'm done for the day. Will clarify the rules once more and will find a format so everyone can play. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestbrother Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 If you are doing a 32 team knockout, just give 3 teams a bye? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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